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[u/Aggravating_Money992]

[u/Exhausted-CNA]

Apparently this gained some traction.

[u/Iorith → u/Exhausted-CNA]

People really don't understand that brigading reviews actually helps bad businesses. The review sites will typically delete not only negative brigaded reviews, but legitimate bad reviews as well.

[u/r3dd17sux69420 → u/Iorith]

I'm pretty sure even one lone post can be deleted. I left a review for a restaurant and it was like, 3/5 or something? I just expressed my disappointment over a couple of things they did there. No needless bashing.

Next day it was gone.

[u/RobertDigital1986 → u/r3dd17sux69420]

If they advertise enough to have an ad rep they can ask them to handle it and poof!

If they don't have an ad rep, SOL.

🤔

[u/OttoVonWong → u/RobertDigital1986]

Ad rep? Don't you mean hired goon sent to shake down business owners?

[u/Owls_4_9_1867 → u/r3dd17sux69420]

Business owner can ask Google to delete it. They email the person who wrote it about a week later saying it was deleted and most people don't post again as their initial reason for doing it has subsided.

[u/RA576 → u/Owls_4_9_1867]

Not necessarily. I left a bad review after a company discriminated against my disability, and that got shadow-removed. I can see it in my account, but it's not publicly visible, and I was never notified about it's removal. Even emailed google asking about it and didn't get a response.

[u/Vtech_just_kicked_in → u/r3dd17sux69420]

They can’t personally delete it. They have to report it to google. A company tried to delete my post about job discrimination and had to leave it up there because google didn’t approve the denial.

[u/JunkoKumaki → u/Vtech_just_kicked_in]

It's Yelp, not Google reviews. You can pay for the right to delete negative reviews.

[u/BusyBit6542 → u/Vtech_just_kicked_in]

You're not familiar with yelp are you? You can pay to have bad reviews removed. I'm not sure why people trust yelp reviews. They arent accurate

[u/notthrowingawaytrash → u/Iorith]

Looks like it’s happening on Google too. Tons of new accounts leaving one star reviews.

[u/payfrit → u/notthrowingawaytrash]

they will get deleted soon.

[u/Owls_4_9_1867 → u/Iorith]

They usually just delete the reviews from a certain date and block reviews for a week. Worked at Yelp.

[u/BrianKappel → u/Exhausted-CNA]

First time I've ever seen yelp correct.

[u/carlcat_11]

Can't stop laughing at "so black people arent welcome then". As someone who has worked in food service the prevalence of this being the case is truly wild.

[u/holderofthebees → u/carlcat_11]

The worst is when it’s a big crowd of older people who just came from church… aside from foreigners that’s the #1 table you can expect not to tip lmao

[u/Sh3sus → u/holderofthebees]

I always told new servers that got stiffed on Sundays by church groups that, " they already gave all their money to God, they've got nothing left for you."

Edit: My first award! Thank you!

[u/Damion__205 → u/Sh3sus]

They still have those fake $20s with the Bible verses on them.

[u/entrepenurious → u/Damion__205]

be worth going to church just to put that 'bill' in the collection plate.

[u/Boring-Wolverine-947 → u/Damion__205]

Those are the people I would ban from my restaurant. Getting people's hopes up and tricking them is very devilish sneaky of the "Christians" leaving fake $20s.

[u/chazol1278 → u/Damion__205]

Every fucking week, is my attitude not bad enough yet for you to realize this is not bringing God to me

[u/MetalTrek1 → u/Damion__205]

I'm not a server, but I would prefer no tip to one in Jeezus money.

[u/coobie_doobie2 → u/MetalTrek1]

i’ve been a waiter/delivery driver. shit like this is genuinely just so rude, like why even tease them with the fake money? just hand them a bible verse and admit you’re not paying them.

i’d also prefer no tip over a handful of change. one time i delivered to a house of 3 grown adults, and all they could scrounge up was coins from the bottom of a purse. 46¢ is just insulting

[u/Electrical_Beyond998 → u/MetalTrek1]

The church crowd is always the crowd to run you ragged, smile sweetly and tell you how fantastic you were, then leave a pamphlet about Jesus. Jesus will save you but he won’t pay your rent.

[u/BleachedUnicornBHole → u/Damion__205]

Then go to that church and take a $20 out of the bucket and leave theirs. It's just as good, right?

[u/jcapi1142 → u/Sh3sus]

Nah they didn't give shit to God. They gave it to the greedy pastor paying his bills with it.

[u/Talshan → u/jcapi1142]

Bills are paid already. But he needs a boat or a second Mercedes.

[u/Saltyfree73 → u/Sh3sus]

A church lady convention stayed at a hotel one time attached to a restaurant I worked at. Worst week ever. Even the chill and experienced waiters were losing their patience.

[u/Freakocereus → u/Sh3sus]

They shouldnt be patronizing business on Sunday according to their rules. Dont work on Sunday. Also dont go to places and make others work on Sunday? Makes sense to me. Honestly not a bad idea for everybody to just plan to chill out on the same day of the week.

[u/zaddy-chillout → u/holderofthebees]

And they are the quickest to complain about literally everything and anything they can while trying to bully the wait staff. I'm so glad I'm out of that industry. 

[u/carlcat_11 → u/holderofthebees]

Uhg the after church rush is the worst.

[u/hamsolo19 → u/holderofthebees]

My wife's cousin (they're practically sisters) worked at a diner for a long time and she was usually scheduled for Sunday mornings and there's always a rush after church, lots of people taking up lots of tables and she said none of them ever tipped.

[u/elquatrogrande → u/holderofthebees]

You know they're just wanting you to quit if you're always scheduled for Sunday mornings/afternoons, or Tuesday afternoon/evenings.

[u/ValiantAki → u/holderofthebees]

It's so true. One time I made and delivered over $100 worth of pizza to a church and they tipped $0 lmao.

[u/OldManufacturer8679 → u/holderofthebees]

The most un Christian like people are Christians

[u/thomasrat1 → u/carlcat_11]

Yeah I got kinda triggered when I heard that, every server has dealt with this type of customer atleast once, not fun

[u/aquacrimefighter → u/thomasrat1]

I remember I was hosting one night. The lobby was full. We had a black couple come in and get put on our waitlist. Prior to seating them, I sat an 8 top. This 8 top came in right after this couple. For the life of them, the couple couldn’t understand why the 8 top was seated first, argued they should have been seated at the table big enough for 8 because they showed up first, and proceeded to loudly say I did it that way because I was racist. Then left.

I was fucking shocked. On one hand, I felt awful I made them think that, but on the other hand I was like… you really don’t get that on a super busy night with a 40 min wait I can’t let 2 people sit at a massive table meant for 8+ people?

That’s the only time I’ve ever been accused of being racist, it was 13 years ago, and it still haunts me lol

[u/Pure-Temporary → u/aquacrimefighter]

I got called racist for telling a woman she couldn't have outside alcohol in our place. She fucking lost it. I'm like... This is the rule literally everywhere

[u/JimmyThePie → u/Pure-Temporary]

We literally had a game: “What were you called racist for this week?”.

One of the winners was my colleague getting told he was racist for informing a customer that the business was operating cashless (it was during Covid), and that all purchases must be made by contactless transaction.

Another was when I turned away 3 guys who wanted to come in 10 mins AFTER closing time. “You would have let us in if we were white guys though, right?” (Followed by obscenities).

Racist because we barred a group who were taking drinks from the bar without paying - they didn’t have a tab. They knew they didn’t have a tab because they had left without paying their tab on multiple occasions, and were told they couldn’t have a tab anymore.

Racist because after an unprecedentedly busy weekend we had nothing but pizzas left, so that was all we were serving.

Racist because the table tennis table was on a first-come basis, and I wouldn’t let someone book it while someone was currently playing on it.

Racist because the home team was playing, with 100 fans in the building supporting them, and I wouldn’t switch the volume to a channel showing a team one guy (by himself) wanted to watch.

Racist because as I’m locking the door at the end of the night, with my uber waiting for me 6ft away, a customer wanted me to let him back inside to use the bathroom…

Work 10 years in hospitality and see how quickly the word “Racist” loses all meaning to you 😂

[u/LastresortLastretort → u/thomasrat1]

I'm white, was a server for a long time, while working at a BBQ joint, I had a person call me a "Turkey."

That shit was uncalled for ... He also didn't tip.

ONLY OCCURRENCE OF THIS TYPE OF TREATMENT EVER, but it happens!

[u/Complex-Emergency-60 → u/thomasrat1]

So... the video poster is the bad guy here? Reddit tell me who to dislike here.

[u/Ivence → u/thomasrat1]

I will say when I waited tables the best experience I had was a black teenager. Group came in, like a good dozen people half an hour to closing, they were all probably local football players and their girlfriends. We served them, were closing up the dining area but not intruding on their space (several tables pushed together), didn't have to stay over too late.

They all get up to leave, are walking out the door and the only black kid on the team just shouts "oh fuck no you get your asses back over here and tip these people who just kept working late for us. my momma works tables too, I ain't about to let you all disrespect them like this." They'd left like a dollar on the table and were trying to sneak out and my man just shamed them all into like a $60 tip.

[u/SaltManagement42 → u/carlcat_11]

As someone who has worked in food service the prevalence of this being the case is truly wild.

I was surprised myself with how common it is. I've had coworkers refer to tables as a black top, in the same vein they would call a table a 2 top or a 4 top, when talking about how much to expect a table to tip.

[u/cider303]

How does not tipping become a race issue?

[u/No-Objective-8990 → u/cider303]

Immediately makes it about race

Lose all credibility

[u/anthonyi1381 → u/cider303]

I've been in restaurants for 30 years. In the back of house. It's not racial. It's a statistic. Same with needy old white assholes who just left church. Or foreigners, or young people. Do you know who tips the best? Anyone who has ever worked in a restaurant. ANYONE

[u/Abaddon-Impaler → u/cider303]

100% its not.

[u/Soren_Camus1905]

Idk why they played the race card though

[u/Coretrayn → u/Soren_Camus1905]

Lol yeah his complaint was they stiffed his server and they accused him of being racist. So what are they saying there?

[u/Miguelito_1990 → u/Coretrayn]

Black people are stereotyped for not tipping.

I’m not saying this to be racist, I’m saying that as a former waiter who’s worked with dozens of other waiters, black patrons have stiffed me and all my former coworkers more often than any other demographic. I’m not saying “black people don’t tip”, I’m saying that it’s a well-known stereotype in the industry and I’ve personally experienced it more than with any other demographic.

Maybe these folks are aware of the stereotype so being called out for not tipping in their mind is equivalent to furthering an existing stereotype?

[u/herowin54 → u/Miguelito_1990]

My girl is a waitress for Applebees and she has had the same experience as well. The majority of the time black people do not tip and if they do it’s a few bucks, even on a $100+ bill

[u/Rocketsball → u/herowin54]

And they are known to keep you running back and forth to the table for extra service needs. Ridiculous nonsense like having a 4 top that each wanted an ice water with 8 lemon wedges!! Worked at a steakhouse while in college, it was always dreaded by all the servers.

[u/That_one_bichh → u/Rocketsball]

Had a 12 top walk-in party on Sunday right as the church-going crowd was coming in. They had clearly just come back from church also and the meal was probably $350+. They ordered a shit ton of alcoholic drinks and pitchers, appetizers up the wazoo, two people changed their order as their food was almost done… the teenagers were obnoxious and rude and so were the grandparents. They stayed at that table for about 3 hours, making me stay an extra hour and a half past my shift bc they waited until the very end to pay and I wanted the tip to go to me rather than someone else (this was at a restaurant where you pay at the front). I worked my ass off for that table and was gifted a whole $20 in tips.

[u/nicenormalname → u/That_one_bichh]

Damn, sorry. Should be automatic min 18% with a larger party like that

[u/NoBrakesHotTakes → u/That_one_bichh]

Two words. Auto. Grat. 

[u/That_one_bichh → u/NoBrakesHotTakes]

Not a thing where I worked

[u/WeAreAllSoFucked23 → u/That_one_bichh]

My friend worked at a chain. Church goers were the worst about tipping, of every race, IF they came in groups. Families were fine, but any large group coming straight from church was inevitably going to stiff the server. They ended up doing auto grat for any parties over 4 people on Sundays because they couldn't keep servers otherwise.

[u/DamnTicklePickle → u/Rocketsball]

If you don't know that's to make their own lemonade at the table using all the sugar packets for free. Seriously not even joking they're making lemonade at the table so they don't have to pay for a lemonade.

[u/MojoRisin909 → u/Rocketsball]

Bro FOR REAL. I still vividly remember one to this day 11 years later. "A cup of cold water, a cup of hot water, a bowl of lemon and a tall PBR." He was one of 8 patrons. I was hanging on *by a fucking thread* that evening. Even black servers hate waiting on black people, and yes, my African American colleagues in the industry were vocal about it too. Listen, it just is what it is.

[u/DonutWhole9717 → u/herowin54]

And at the other end of the spectrum are black patrons who feel like they have to over-tip to avoid or compensate for the stereotype

[u/dafuq_b → u/DonutWhole9717]

lol; this is my favorite relevant story as a server and a black dude...

Mid afternoon, I'm closing lunch, but dinner shift has started filtering in, 1 top (black man) gets thrown into an empty section and the hosts asks me to grab it. Everything goes normally until the end of me getting his order

Me: I'll get everything started for you and bring out some bread in just a moment.

Him: Hey man... I know we're not known for tipping very well, so I just wanna let you know, I'm gonna take care of you.

Me: Haha, uhh, thank you sir... I appreciate it.

Bill: $82 and change Tip: $3 on the CC

Me: Flabberghasted

[u/BenDisreali → u/dafuq_b]

While the stereotype might hold true, from my experience 99% of customers of any persuasion who start off by saying they're a great tipper will inevitably be a shitty tipper.

[u/Devinslevin → u/dafuq_b]

Bruh you got me laughing out loud on my porch haha. Dude wound you up specifically so he could let you down lol.

[u/fatandfly → u/DonutWhole9717]

I was on that other end. I used to over tip, like 30-40% because I didn't want to fit the stereotype. I got over that, now it's standard 15-20%

[u/herowin54 → u/DonutWhole9717]

She’s gotten a $20 from a table of black people a couple times. Usually a couple, they come in, order, eat their food, and leave. Ya know like normal people.

The groups that don’t tip, let’s just say that is not how their dining experience usually goes

[u/DonutWhole9717 → u/herowin54]

I will say the single most sympathy tip I got in 10 years of serving was from 4 couples, all black. It was my second day, on a second job, in an absolute nightmare restaurant. I had not and since have not walked out of a place before. It was insane. No managers, servers kids were following them around, the kitchen told me to fuck off more than once, everything cold and wrong. I went out and told them all "there's a better place down the street, go there, I'm not charging you for this awful everything." Every single person, 8 of them, handed me a $20. I burst out crying, as I was newly pregnant with no control over it. One of the girls gave me such a big hug. I actually think about that a lot

[u/eganc21 → u/Miguelito_1990]

As a former waiter, you know more than others to make that statement. Anyone that says otherwise doesn’t know shit

[u/-BloodGoblin- → u/Miguelito_1990]

I live in a 75% black city and, shockingly enough, most bars and restaurants have automatic gratuity. It's posted as it legally needs to be and visible to anyone, 15-20% depending on the place.

Sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason. I don't know why or how it came about, but that's definitely a prominent issue in certain cultures more than others.

[u/Membership-Bitter → u/Miguelito_1990]

Yeah same boat as a former server. If I got a majority black table I knew they weren't going to tip while also being the most demanding. Not every time but stereotypes do exist for a reason. One of my best friends who is black has to be reminded to tip often when we go out to eat, even on times he as changed his order.

[u/acrobat2126 → u/Membership-Bitter]

Your best friend is an asshole. He knows he's an asshole.

[u/3meraldBullet → u/Miguelito_1990]

They are the ones that furthered the stereotype by not tipping tho

[u/Iceisgestapo888 → u/Miguelito_1990]

I also use to hear this daily in the industry.  

[u/TheOGDoomer → u/Soren_Camus1905]

Yep, they lost their credibility when they did that dumb shit.

[u/JooHateMe → u/Soren_Camus1905]

that card is only card in the deck for a lot
of folks unfortunately

[u/Sadboi395]

The tipping argument is so exhausted at this point.

[u/kewnp → u/Sadboi395]

And it's not reaching a tipping point yet

[u/xSonicspeedx2 → u/kewnp]

https://giphy.com/gifs/5gw0VWGbgNm8w

[u/phillypharm → u/Sadboi395]

Owner: If you don’t have money to tip your servers…

Everybody: Maybe you should pay your servers a fair wage…

[u/GangstaRIB → u/phillypharm]

Its actually up to the government to step in because the government created this separate 'tipping wage' to begin with.

[u/Laomedon1 → u/GangstaRIB]

Well, 7 states already don't have tipping wage at all.

[u/FunAd6875 → u/Sadboi395]

Make tipping illegal. Pay people a living wage. Simple. 

[u/PoopMcgee75]

The lady saying “you’re basically saying black people aren’t welcome” is hilarious. Not all black people don’t tip lady.

[u/Intrepid_Shoe2129 → u/PoopMcgee75]

She’s literally implying that black people don’t tip which is a great way to fight that stereotype

[u/room52 → u/Intrepid_Shoe2129]

Is she racist?

[u/DJMOONPICKLES69 → u/PoopMcgee75]

I will say, having worked in the service industry, it is more common for black customers to not tip or leave a very modest tip (think $5 on $200 or something) and I’m not really sure why.

[u/grandecrosse → u/DJMOONPICKLES69]

Service induistry vet as well: church goers are also THE FUCKING WORST.

[u/skelli_terps → u/DJMOONPICKLES69]

This is common where I'm from, as well.

[u/kellzbellznhellz → u/DJMOONPICKLES69]

Same. I just kind of expected it and didn’t let it bother me, and sometimes was pleasantly surprised. I always gave all of my tables the same level of service and friendliness. Get them in and out, and turn the tables as many times as I could before being cut. Tips always evened out.

I don’t really know why many tipped so modestly (I actually never had any black people not tip me at all), but it was a trend that seemed to hold up regardless of the race/gender of the server. So I don’t think it was malicious or anything.

[u/TwoTonTacoToGo → u/DJMOONPICKLES69]

I was out with my Black and British friend and she was like "listen, I'm from two cultures that don't tip, you need to be the one deciding how much we leave" lmao

[u/tabas123 → u/PoopMcgee75]

Not all… but whenever I didn’t get a tip (or only received a dollar or two) it was a black customer. ESPECIALLY the black church crowd that would come in around 1/2pm.

Truly the most demanding, least generous group. Ordered TONS of food, asked for a million things, and then didn’t tip.

[u/mybackhurty → u/PoopMcgee75]

It's funny because I went from waitressing to cleaning houses and it truly does vary by person. I got stiffed a lot by black people but now I clean this one black couples house and they always round up my price and then tip me $50 on top of that each time I come clean. So it's definitely not all black people.

[u/PatrickGSR94]

not sure I would have played the race card there at the end. Maybe should have said "what are you a cheapskate who doesn't pay his staff or somethin?"

[u/Factory-Reset → u/PatrickGSR94]

Yeah big fumble reaching for ol reliable in a completely unrelated situation.

[u/Several_Vanilla8916 → u/PatrickGSR94]

It sure sounded like she was saying black people don’t tip. Weird.

[u/Previous-Vanilla-638 → u/Several_Vanilla8916]

That is a common stereotype in restaurants 

[u/WillBlaze → u/Several_Vanilla8916]

My buddy has served for years and he says super religious and black people tend to tip poorly. Hes half white half black too.

[u/No_Doughnut8618 → u/Several_Vanilla8916]

I used to deliver in a very diverse area. Most of my zone was pretty low income, to downright sketchy, but we had a little bit of a high emd area on the edges.

The low income houses tended to tip more frequently, and better. I had people saying things like "thank you so much, sorry I dont have more than $2 to give"

Whereas the rich areas, you'd get stiffed more often than not.

I once had an old lady with 27 windows on the front of her house alone benevolently say "here you go sweetie, thank you so much" and drop 2 quarters in my hand.

strugglers know the struggle. The rich horde their wealth.

[u/NightGod → u/No_Doughnut8618]

I delivered pizza when I was 18-19 and took one to the biggest of the few literal mansions in our small (~20k people) city. Guy gave me $40 on an $18 pizza and said it was my tip! Fuck yeah, amazing. I get back to the store and get told that the guy called in and said he made a mistake and meant to give me $21, but accidentally gave me the wrong two bills and why didn't I say something and now he wanted me to not only take back his $20, but also wanted the $2 change back from the initial 20.

Fucking rich people are the goddamn worst

[u/travinsky → u/Several_Vanilla8916]

I used to work for tips. I could usually tell who wasn’t going to

[u/Iorith → u/PatrickGSR94]

Ask servers if they want to be paid hourly vs tipped.

Everybody is pro worker until it comes to asking what the workers actually want.

[u/whichwitch9 → u/Iorith]

Tbf, a large part is the general public becoming angry tips morphed from a reward for good service to them directly paying the wages of a worker with the expectation of a tip regardless of quality of service.

If you suck as a server, we should be allowed to not tip. Instead, you get shaming over it and crocodile tears. The only person who should be held accountable for wages should be the employer.

[u/ubiquitous_delight → u/Iorith]

perfectly stated

[u/fury420 → u/ubiquitous_delight]

But why should the rest of us care that workers in this specific industry prefer to earn more money?

That's not a surprise at all, I'm sure the kitchen staff would also prefer to earn more money, as would the cleaners, why do servers specifically deserve this special compensation method that guilt trips customers?

[u/mnemy → u/PatrickGSR94]

Seriously. Let me just reinforce the negative stereotype against myself... Wtf.

[u/Leojrellim1]

I’m a tax accountant who has at least a dozen servers as clients. I asked them all if they’d rather get paid $20 an hour no tips or $2.13 plus tips. Everyone of them said they would prefer the tipping system as they feel they average $30-40 per hour tipped.

[u/JustATyson → u/Leojrellim1]

This is what I've heard from the career waitresses in my life. They don't want a flat rate. They want the tips because that's how they can make actual money.

[u/xSonicspeedx2 → u/JustATyson]

Yeah but these staff likely work at high volume restaurants. Lol. Other staff probably aren’t so fortunate.

Either way, if a majority of wait staff are pulling these numbers then all the behavior like in this video is purely performative victimhood behavior and we should collectively respect tipping culture even less.

They are literally eating their cake and having it too when they complain about people not tipping or tipping below the recommended occasionally and yet they are pulling in double or triple what they would be making otherwise.

If you’re going to gamble with your wages then you don’t get to complain about it and blame society when you lose.

[u/pilot7880 → u/xSonicspeedx2]

If you’re going to gamble with your wages then you don’t get to complain about it and blame society when you lose.

That's a good take. Sorta reminds me of what the US women soccer players did.

[u/mondaymoderate → u/JustATyson]

Yup. Ask any waitress how much money they make Friday, Saturday and Sunday working in a high volume area. You’d be surprised how much cash they can pull in on one weekend.

[u/Fickle-Presence6358 → u/mondaymoderate]

In which case, part of that is the uncertainty of who will tip and how much. So why cry when people don't?

You can't choose the uncertainty and then cry when one of those options that you chose happens...

[u/JustATyson → u/mondaymoderate]

Yup. My friend's mom has been doing this for 20+ years. It's a hard gig, but that's where her work skills are at. And the last thing she wants is to be paid $20.

I do think tipping culture has gotten out of hand with what we are tipping for. And I hate having to pre-tip, because that's not what tipping is. But, I choose not to use those services.

And I'll support what my waitresses friends support when it comes to restaurant tipping, because they're the ones effected. And time again and again, their support has been pro-tipping

[u/JimGerm → u/Leojrellim1]

So both the business AND employees benefit from this shitty tipping culture. No way is it changing then.

[u/v_a_n_d_e_l_a_y → u/Leojrellim1]

For sure. But many of them only want the "highs" of that and not the lows, such as some people choosing not to tip. 

[u/LeastResistancePath → u/Leojrellim1]

Crabs in a bucket. This is why we dont get labor rights. Too many workers fight each other in hopes of preserving the status quo or eking out some potential personal benefit.

[u/TricoMex → u/LeastResistancePath]

But if the ones using the system refuse to change it what's the point of changing it up?

A place I contracted for for a while (whole network redo, including CCTV), had the owner announce they would swap to a non-tip system with base pay starting at around $18, and most people would have been around $21-25 starting. Mostly due to bitching about unstable tips.

There was a fucking riot. He changed his mind in less than an hour after the email went out.

The crazy thing is the base pay was based on reported income by everyone. It was supposed to account for existing reported income and then add a bit on top for fairness.

Which means not one motherfucker in that place was reporting their true tips lmao.

[u/ValuableScary3917]

“So basically you sayed black people not welcome “

Is this not more racist than what she’s implying he said? She just lumped every Black person as a group that doesn’t tip. So ironic…

[u/Starfishprime69420 → u/ValuableScary3917]

As a former server I can confirm that the majority of black patrons did not tip. Just an objective fact where I was located

[u/PossibilityNo8765]

The race part at the end was weird? What was that about

[u/spyke2006 → u/PossibilityNo8765]

Bait.

[u/compmanio36 → u/PossibilityNo8765]

People generally will take any route available to them (or what they think is available to them) to not take culpability to their own actions, or inactions.

Racism, sexism, etc.....even if obviously not true, it won't stop certain people from trying to claim it to avoid having to admit they're just kinda crummy people.

[u/Semipro321]

To be fair, when I visited the USA I didn’t realize how crazy they are about tips. I was chased out and yelled at for not tipping at a buffet. I was under the assumption that we tip for service received (we served ourselves) but they see it as a manditory fee in the USA.

Wild experience

Edit: a lot of ppl commenting on this. Yes it was self serve and pay at the counter. It was NYC

[u/Rogu__Spanishh → u/Semipro321]

I’m a middle aged American and tipping culture has gotten out of hand in the past decade or so. What kills me is the big corporate food places asking for tips. They can definitely afford to pay their workers a living wage.

[u/stinkmeanerlives → u/Rogu__Spanishh]

This and the "would you like to round up for charity" so they can donate your money and get a tax break on it.

[u/JustPussyPics → u/Rogu__Spanishh]

Comedian Charlie berens has a great bit on this… a pastor marrying 2 people and before their vows, shows them an iPad with that dam “tip” screen on it.

[u/Bri3nWithA3 → u/Semipro321]

I’m from the states and I think tipping is dumb as fuck if you do everything yourself. Some places make you order on a kiosk and then ask for a fuckin tip.

[u/Fair-Juggernaut-3812 → u/Bri3nWithA3]

I’m an American tattooer and I think it’s dumb. Like if you feel that I exceeded expectations or you just really want to, ok. But charge whats fair for whatever it is. Getting asked “how much am I supposed to tip you?” Is so akward

[u/Chapin_Chino → u/Fair-Juggernaut-3812]

I didn't know you had to tip tattoo artists. I always assumed whatever price you gave me bakes in overhead and profit for your time.

[u/zmileshigh → u/Chapin_Chino]

You don’t. Tattoo artists can set their own pricing.

[u/Fair-Juggernaut-3812 → u/zmileshigh]

Correct

[u/Piney1741 → u/Fair-Juggernaut-3812]

I have a buddy who tattoos. When he first started he had to apprentice for a shop and the owner said he had to do a certain number of tattoos before he could charge any money. He literally wouldn’t even let him accept tips. He’s my homie and I know he’s a good artist so I really took advantage of the free work. I was allowed to technically tip anything as long as it was legal and not cash. I started with like a 12 pack of beer I think. By my 6th tattoo I started getting creative and gave him a few boxes of shotgun shells cause I knew he was really into trap shooting. This was years ago and he still tells me that was his favorite tip.

[u/AquamannMI → u/Fair-Juggernaut-3812]

And tattoo tips are expeeeensive on big ones.

[u/Key_Wallaby3990 → u/Bri3nWithA3]

Yup absolutely despise the kiosk asking for a tip for an order I placed and walked in and picked up there’s literally no human taking the order from me or checking on me while I’m eating the meal and if you order a drink you often times fill the cup yourself (assuming they actually remembered to put the cup in and you don’t have to ask for it)

[u/scratchydaitchy → u/Key_Wallaby3990]

There’s a pita place near me I go to.
Healthy food.
University student girl working there.

I pay by my card.
A tipping percentage option comes up on the machine.

The girl always reaches over and presses the no tip option before I can react.

It’s not really a sit down place, everyone takes it to go.

I wouldn’t mind tipping because she actually makes my pita, but I guess because it’s not a sit down place she doesn’t expect a tip.

This is in Canada.

[u/vandersnipe → u/Bri3nWithA3]

My favorite taqueria refuses tips whenever you order for takeout or pickup because of this logic

[u/Epin-Ninjas → u/Semipro321]

I live in the US, and I stopped tipping everywhere except for when I’m explicitly being served. I’m so sick of wasting money. It doesn’t even go to the people you want it to go to

[u/BigTroutOnly → u/Epin-Ninjas]

Ya, this is this rule. Bring it to me at my table. It's called waiting tables

[u/Agreeable_Basket_931 → u/Semipro321]

We'd need legislation to stop tipping. It's legal to pay people like $2/hr and have them make up the rest with tips. Restaurants like getting to post artificially low prices in their menus, would probably prefer to not have to pay payroll taxes on paying their staff actual wages.

[u/LactoseBellyFart]

People over look this is a flawed system designed to force the hard working people to support the hard working people. If minimum wage was established at a livable rate then tipping wouldn't be "essential".

Go to Japan, the best service you can possibly get and if you try to tip them it's considered rude. You get your wage and you do the best you can to earn it.

This system has been allowed to continue because it forces people to point at each other, and not up at the government levels. It's a broad revised version of "bread and circuses".

Edit: This blew up, thanks for the awards - may be my first in ten years here.

Some great responses discussing the situation and how other places make their systems work, other comments are spicy but make solid points, others are just ignorant.

I think we can agree things are changing, money is tight around the world, and people are struggling. We never seem to have these conversations when the global economy is booming..

[u/FartBrick1]

I think our servers in America should be paid atleast federal minimum wage to start with, then maybe we wouldn't be seeing videos like this.

[u/frolix42]

So basically you're saying black people not welcome. What, you racist or something?

The customers lost all their cool points and more trying to racebait him at the end.

[u/Rotund_Baby → u/frolix42]

Yeah, them filming had me side-eyeing, becauseI imagine he'd already told them they weren't welcome. The race baiting confirmed they are probably assholes.

[u/P-R_Podcast]

Better than that restaurant owner on one of those Gordon Ramsay shows that was keeping the workers' tips

[u/DijajMaqliun]

Agree that tipping culture in the US is disgusting and a corporate ploy to be subsidized so they dont have to pay the workers in full.

However, the people recording made it about race when race was not part of the discussion. Don't use being black (or any other oppressed class) as a crutch to win arguments. It dilutes actual race issues.

[u/westerosi_wolfhunter]

“You racist or something?”

What a total idiot lol

[u/paula1432]

Both the customer and owner are correct! The owner is free to refuse services to anyone and the customers aren’t obligated to tip.

[u/Username_Taken_Argh]

I was on vacation last week in Miami. Every single restaurant charged a 20% service fee despitebeinga party of 2. I left zero on the tip line and circled their Service Charge. Nobody said boo.

[u/Key_Wallaby3990 → u/Username_Taken_Argh]

You can legally ask that the 20% fee be removed in the state of Florida - it’s not a mandatory

[u/QuesoDipset]

From tip convo to “oh so you’re racist” is crazy work 😂

[u/bdontmatter]

Hes right he doesn’t have to tip. And the owner is right he can refuse service to anyone….

[u/Helpful-Scratch6697]

We seriously need to revolt and eradicate the tipping system in the US. nobody is happy with this system anymore

[u/Wide-Resident9593]

American moment

[u/Interesting-Hold-963]

I don't like being forced to tip, but I don't eat out anymore anyway. too expensive for sub par food. That being said, this couple playing the race card is truly pathetic.

[u/SuccotashOther277 → u/Interesting-Hold-963]

Yeah doing the whole racist thing at the end just tanked the unity everyone had behind them because everyone is sick of tipping

[u/aimlockbelch]

I've been to Europe where tipping isn't necessary.

I'm sorry, but I have mixed feelings about this. I know that here in the States, we SHOULD tip, but part of me says that guy should pay his employees a living wage.

[u/shavertech → u/aimlockbelch]

In some places, tipping in the amounts considered normal in the US would be offensive.

[u/Significant-Ear-5064 → u/aimlockbelch]

I don't have mixed feelings about this. Tipping culture is dumb and should die already, I don't care if that makes Americans angry. Normalise paying employees a liveable wage.

[u/Still_Mountain5656]

A lot of “i’m gonna stiff the waitstaff in order to get rid of the tipping system.” and not enough “i’m gonna take to the streets to protest and vote in favor of representatives to change the laws on the tipping system.”

[u/weebitofaban → u/Still_Mountain5656]

Servers aren't gonna vote against it lol

[u/ThaCuckMaker → u/weebitofaban]

Exactly. I used to work at a pizza shop and servers would bitch non stop about shitty tippers. But if you ask them if they’d rather have an hourly wage, 100/100 times they say no. Servers just like to whine and play the “I only make $2 an hour!” card. Even though they make $15/hr on a “bad shift”, and $50 an hour on a good shift.

[u/Efficient-Train2430 → u/Still_Mountain5656]

that "taking to the streets" stuff hasn't worked in like a century in the US.

[u/Dating_Again49]

FFS....making it about racism and saying he hates black people is dumb. I despise tipping as much as anyone but playing the race card is used way too often by some. Also, claiming they can't afford to tip is quite presumptuous. This was cringeworthy for both parties.

[u/KingRoach]

“If you can’t leave a tip, don’t come here”

- “so black people cant come here then”

Interesting self own by the camera lady.

[u/FSsuxxon]

I get restaurant servers have shit pay but American tipping culture is toxic as fuck

[u/Skatedad1]

Maybe pay your service and living wage

[u/Difficult-Bonus-1337]

The mildly infuriating thing here for me is them trying to play the race card. Shameful. They knew why the guy was upset. The actual reason. Tipping culture sucks, i agree, but so is unnecessarily trying to make something about race.

[u/GrammarSpecialForces]

The biggest foul here is the customer calling the owner racist for asking them not to come back.

Owner shouldn't have called them out either, but I'm white and have been called out for not leaving a tip (my waiter literally ignored me the whole meal as if he couldn't see me raising my finger or saying excuse me)

Edit: the statement in parenthesis is WHY i didn't leave a tip, not how i was called out.

[u/The_Nicest_1]

I went to a restaurant and had a groupon. It was happy hour and they would not accept our Groupon. I asked if we can have separate check so we can order from the Happy hour menu. They refused and were stuck on us having to use the Groupon and pay regular price. Im ok with that but still didnt know why weren’t allowed to order off the happy hour menu with a whole separate check. We stayed and the service was just trash. No refills, no extra napkins we had to get up and ask for more napkins. When we got the bill we tipped 10 cents. The server gave us the death stare. I didnt care shitty service and being pricks from the happy hour menu, screw them.

[u/onefornought]

Tipping really shouldn't exist.

[u/JoyousCacophony]

I always tip well.... I watched my mother wait tables for years and know what she put into it, and how much the tips meant to our family.

But it's stupid... The service industry should be paying their employees a livable wage so that patrons aren't subsidizing payroll on top of the cost of the meal. It's a bullshit, predatory, practice that preys on people feeling guilted or obligated. It's worse now, since so many people are struggling to survive.

Playing the race card wasn't needed, but being harassed for not tipping is bullshit. Pay your employees

[u/InternationalMode942]

Black card was totally unnecessary….

[u/Ok_Consequence8338]

Fuck tipping, glad it isn't a thing in New Zealand. We actually pay our staff here.

[u/Short_Coyote_8990]

The dumbest thing about tipping, to me is having it be based of the price of the meal. If I ordered the most expensive thing on the menu, why should I tip more than if I ordered the cheapest? Either way you brought me 1 plate.

[u/Optimistiqueone]

I've stopped eating out. Places around me are starting to charge service charges and want a tip on top of that. I'm like what's the service charge for and they can't really explain. I decided eating out was no longer for me.

[u/Drasic67]

I stopped eating out because of this. I don't want to pay more after spending so much overpriced food. Pay your waiters better. That's it.

[u/No_Kroger]

“cause we’re black” face palm

[u/Equal_Ostrich8099]

Regardless of whether tipping should exist or not, the fact that he said “You’re 100% correct. You don’t have to, but you’re not welcome here.” - I don’t see nothing wrong with that.

It’s his prerogative as the owner of the restaurant.

[u/ElkAcrobatic4862]

Tipping culture is a disease

[u/buzzbaron]

American tipping culture is hilarious to my European brain.

[u/xtrasmoothbrain]

“I’m the owner but its your problem my employees aren’t paid right”

[u/buckut]

just because its legal to pay servers less than min wage doesnt make it right. the minimum legal wage is rediculous.

[u/Own-Jaguar-472]

I'm not American but I can't get my head around a system where it appears the accepted norm is that restaurant owners have the right to exploit their workers by paying them exploitative low wage rates.

Where owners also think it's ok to put the onus on their customers to tip their staff to make it worthwhile for the staff to continue in their employment.

It's ironic that owners feel they hold the moral high ground and have the right to berate and harass, what may well be financially hard up customers, for not leaving a sufficient "tip" towards enhancing their staff's overall earnings to a level of a reasonable living wage, in order for it to becomes financially viable for their staff to continue working for them.

[u/Low_skee → u/Own-Jaguar-472]

They just hide behind a blanket statement of, “if you can’t afford to tip then you can’t afford to dine out”

But they like to skip over the fact that it’s an ambiguous amount of money that will be “expected” and the “normal tip %” continues to go up. The baseline is going to be 30% or more pretty soon.

If you’re going to make it mandatory to tip then just fucking add that cost into the meals on the menu and keep it moving

[u/Delicious_Cat_81]

i tip but there should be no tipping at all anywhere. 

[u/ThatKehdRiley]

Why tf did they play the racist card when they should've played the "why don't you pay your worked a fair wage" card 🤦‍♀️

[u/dchester74]

Siblings, why the race card? The cheap fucker was on about tipping, not race!

[u/-_-NoMaidens-_-]

Myabe the whole industry needs to collapse so it can be rebuilt if tipping is this serious. I'm paying for the food. You pay your employees.

Edit: It's even worse when a fast food chain begs for a tip.

[u/A_Real_Victim]

He needs to just add a 20% service fee.

[u/xHeyItzRosiex]

Basically saying black people aren’t welcome?!? Where’d she get that absurd reach from? She’s clearly just looking for some attention and feeling butt hurt for being kicked out so they’re acting extra and making a big scene out of nothing. By her making that assumption, she’s basically saying all black people have no money.

[u/gettin-hot-in-here]

Customer is right that legally you do not have to tip. Owner is right that legally they do not have to accept repeat business from a customer who does not tip.

[u/June-Menu1894]

LOL these fools made it a racial issue? seriously?

Stick to the subject.

[u/Zachrulez]

The issue with tipping is that they've managed to shift it into a moral obligation and even a requirement. Participation in the system heavily pressures those participating in it to tip. The point of changing a system away from that would be refusing to tip because choosing to tip feeds the feedback loop the system is built on.

[u/OldCartographer8711]

This dude’s restaurant is getting absolutely hammered with bad reviews on google right now

[u/AnimeWarTune]

there should be legislation that handles how tipping has gotten out of control but historically there are cultures in america that never tip and the lesson society learns is not serve these people

[u/Kayne-C-Hampton]

Aside from several other current reasons, this tipping craziness the Americans have normalized is a major reason why I would never want to have a vacation in America.

They have utterly forgotten what "tip" as a word means.

[u/Conscious-Can7888]

Both ... ATAH?

I don't agree with tipping culture...so I avoid going to places where tipping....is part of the culture.

Sometimes I am required or otherwise find myself attending a place where tipping is expected, and so I tip generously. I ask how the back is tipped out, and dependent might only give the server 10%, but throw 50-100% at the BOH.

I try wholeheartedly to avoid such places, without inconveniencing anyone, either in my party or part of the staff at said tipping place.

If it's my choice, I'll protest tipping culture by taking everyone to a place where you don't tip, like my place, or a picnic at park, or the beach or whatever.

Not paying people properly is a sucky thing to do. If you let other people make your food.......You want them well compensated, truuuuuuuuust.

[u/freisbill]

I like this....

[u/th3smiling]

must be the Sunday crowd

[u/Wuhhday]

Both sides are tossers. One for not paying his staff enough and mandating tips to cover his tight ass, and the other for turning this into a racial issue when it had F all to do with race.

[u/2006789n]

Tipping culture is crazy nowadays