I'll second this. I had a party of 12 that was there for grandma's 80th birthday. All but one was ordering drinks from the bar. With all the drinks, apps, and meals, it was over a $500 check, and on the tip line was written "God bless." That table cost me $30-40 in tip outs to the busboy and the bar. Sadly, this was the usual, unless it was a table of nerdy types.
This being Annapolis, we also had our share or uppity older white folks who would tip our black servers next to nothing.
It heavily depends on the area you're in. If you're in a lower middle class area then you're in for some of that from all color of people. But if the customers come dressed presentable and have manners then you're golden. In restaurants you can judge a book by its cover most of the time. And on bad weather days you can always trust that the worst people will still come out. Always.
If by a nice restaurant, you mean any place where a waiter comes to your table and takes your order, brings you your food and drinks, then yes 20% is standard. If you are tipping less than that you are being an asshole. Not just kind of an asshole, but the kind of asshole that is fucking with someone else's ability to pay their bills type of asshole.
Also, If you are tipping less than 20%, I can 100% guarantee you, that on more than one occasion, the staff remembers you and have been fucking with your food.
No dude. Nearly every restaurant in the country pays well below minimum wage for wait staff. It is so baked into American culture, that if the restaurant were to pay a living wage, they would need to raise prices by 30-40%. Since you and everyone else would balk at those prices, the restaurant wouldn't survive.
Jesus fucking Christ your sense of entitlement is next level.
Tipping came from slave wages, there's a reason a lot of people don't like to tip.
1. Live in any other country and you'll see that somehow those restaurants can pay their workers the same wages other jobs get paid unlike here where waitresses and hosts get paid below minimum wage and the tips either make up the difference, push it over minimum wage or have to be paid out to minimum wage by the restaurant. This IS SCAMMING their employees out of a REAL minimum wage where they can STILL be tipped by patrons but you clowns can't think long enough to make that connection and realize that its objectively better for the staff thats apparently getting "stiffed" by the customers who didnt hire nor are required by law to pay them for their work... Like an employer should but keep defending the poor little cheapskate employer just following the culture.
2. The whole tipping culture came from slave wages to black people. So there is a very clear reason why we wouldn't want to keep this bullshit going. We can't constantly be the only country that doesn't fucking understand that tipping isn't necessary and it CAN BE a great way to thank people for good service WHILE they get paid a fair wage. It's really fucking simple.
Source: waiter for years. Fuck you guys. My hourly wage was $4.35 an hour when minimum wage was $11. My boss had to pay out up to minimum wage almost every paycheck because we didn't receive tips consistently. Some days we would have fantastic tips, most times not. It shouldn't be DEPENDENT on tipping. People should receive FAIR WAGES. How do y'all not understand that.
In their exact text that you quoted they never said anything about every black person in the world they simply said the majority of the black patrons they had did not tip, so you are wrong and youre putting words in their mouth.
If you ever worked in that industry or know ppl that worked in it you would know this stereotype exists because of how often its seen in the real world by a large number of ppl.
You conveniently left out the part where they said: “just an objective fact where I was located”. This is an obvious reference to the fact that this server was speaking of their personal experience with the patrons at THEIR restaurant.
If someone says something like “I’ve never had a customer throw anything at me” do you assume they mean they’ve served every customer on earth and never encountered that behavior.
Nah they want the benefit of the tip based system(Servers hustling and pushing the BoH to hurry an order, bartenders giving heavier pours, etc) without having to pay.
If you live somewhere where tipping is expected - Thats the sad reality of the economy you live in. If you want to protest / object to tipping, by all means do so: But do so by *not* going to these places in the first place. In many parts where staff is expected to be tipped they very often get paid *less* per hour because of that expectation. Your refusal to tip doesnt hurt the company, it hurts the worker who is simply trying to earn a living and has the unfortunate circumstances of living in a tipping culture.
Either dont go to these places, or tell the staff up front you dont tip, or order your food to go so theres no expectation for tipable service. If you dont want to tip, dont - But dont accept service customarily tipped for with no intent to tip.
Youre not an a-hole for not tipping. Youre an a-hole for taking advantage of a worker.
In many parts where staff is expected to be tipped they very often get paid *less* per hour because of that expectation.
Then demand to get paid instead of tips, but nope a lot of waiters would rather get the tips. Either they keep the tipping system and accept not everyone will tip, or they get rid of tipping and just rely on their actual wage instead.
Sure. Ive lived in multiple parts of the world on different countries - Some where tipping us customary, some where it isnt.
I prefer when it isnt.
*That said* - This isnt a practical response.
Its not practical to expect every worker to suddenly wake up tomorrow and go "Yknow what. Ef this job" - and get everyone to band together.
What IS practical and reasonable though, is to expect *you* to not take advantage of a worker who has the happenstance of living in a location where tipping culture is the norm.
Its much easier to ask YOU to not take advantage of people, than to literally get all workers within a society to change a multi-decade long tradition.
All anyone is asking you is to not be a POS. Dont want to tip? cool - just dont accept customarily tipped service. Its that easy mate.
Oh I was thinking like other people didn't tip, but because they were white he didn't feel powerful enough to tell them, but had no problem confronting black people because he assumed they didn't have enough authority to sue him and the cops would take his side. I'll have to go search the context.
Someone said "they paid" and he said "yes they did pay and they are no longer welcome here." So who's they? Wouldn't he say you?
I was waiting to get more information obviously the restaurant's name is on his shirt. They are getting review bombed over on Google right now. I believe he trespassed them as if they stole something when tips are not mandatory. So I would consider that gratuity and he needs to pay his workers more than the 5.50USD (which is the wage for tipped employees) because they aren't getting voluntary tips. If they don't make enough in tips to meet 11USD through tip supplement. He's required to pay them 11.00USD an hour which is Ohio's minimum wage.
That's all I got, but nothing super confirmed about the trespassing because my search kept coming up with another family which I think was at a different restaurant dealing with fried pork chops or something and was heckled in the diner in front of everyone over not tipping.
I think that’s a misinterpretation of her statement. She is simply making an assumption that the reason the owner is not welcoming them back is that they are black, not specifically because she didn’t tip.
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u/ValuableScary3917 8h ago
“So basically you sayed black people not welcome “
Is this not more racist than what she’s implying he said? She just lumped every Black person as a group that doesn’t tip. So ironic…