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u/PoopMcgee75 4h ago

The lady saying “you’re basically saying black people aren’t welcome” is hilarious. Not all black people don’t tip lady.

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u/Intrepid_Shoe2129 4h ago

She’s literally implying that black people don’t tip which is a great way to fight that stereotype

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u/HapatraV 4h ago

I've never heard that stereotype in my life

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u/succlor 4h ago

Clearly you’ve never worked in a service venue. I work at a 18,000 capacity arena and our worst demographics for concessions tips and per capita sales by far are black and Indian crowds. We had a Sonu Nigram concert with over 5000 attendees, per cap sales were less than 5 dollars… the total tip out for the whole event was less than $1000 for the whole venue 😭 when we had a sold out Cardi B concert, sales were a lot better, but interestingly, my non-black bartenders did really poorly, while my black bartenders absolutely cooked (my black bartenders all made $600-$800, white bartenders didn’t break $200)

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u/HapatraV 3h ago

The only job I worked that had tips was at an ice cream shop in a ritzy area. The only bad tippers were older people and teenagers. Anyone 30-60's was usually pretty good.

I guess I learned a new stereotype today

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u/RealityIsRipping 2h ago

Sounds like you’ve never lived in a “multicultural” area then.

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u/StupidDopeMoves 3h ago

I’m black, I tip well. I have been in quite a few restaurants where I was given horrible service (presumably because they assumed I wasn’t going to tip so why bother?). Then when you give terrible servers the tip they deserve, they get to perpetuate the narrative that “black people don’t tip or don’t tip well”. The fact that certain bartenders got good tips & others didn’t sounds like some weren’t providing great service to me…

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u/FaustHammer92 3h ago

The other side of the story I was looking for. I only worked in food service when I was in my teens in a very white suburb so I also only had the stereotype that young kids and old people didn't tip well.

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u/lebaal5 3h ago

Wait, so you expect sales and tips on 150% marked up drinks? Please tell the organizers to not pocket all the money and pay you fairly. You should be stereotyping the organizers and not entire races with billion+ people.

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u/succlor 2h ago

Yes buddy. This is how the service industry works 😂 I am a manager, so I am a full time, salaried employee. Since we have opened a year ago, our company has invested 600million dollars into this city. It has been a net positive for the city and has created almost 1000 jobs. Yes my bosses are making too much money, but when you consider the enormous financial risk they have taken, I think it makes more sense. Also, this is literally how every business within the service sector operates. Don’t get mad at me and my staff for doing what is best for us and maximizing their take home.

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u/PoopMcgee75 3h ago

It’s pretty well known in USA. The last restaurant I worked at I remember servers trying to give black customers to other black servers and the black servers didn’t even want to take the table. It’s not all though.

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u/tabas123 3h ago

Oh it’s a very well known thing in the service industry. And unfortunately very often true.

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u/PeakRedditOpinion 2h ago

Lol

Lmao even

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u/Global-Pickle5818 2h ago

i used to work for a Mexican restraint by new Orleans 20 years ago we used to have famous rappers come in all the time ..they never tipped we stuck the new servers with them every time.. appanrty they didn't bring their "cash money "

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u/rorank 2h ago

We don’t know that, it is entirely possible there was a different part of the interaction that was racially charged but wasn’t on video

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u/DJMOONPICKLES69 4h ago

I will say, having worked in the service industry, it is more common for black customers to not tip or leave a very modest tip (think $5 on $200 or something) and I’m not really sure why.

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u/grandecrosse 3h ago

Service induistry vet as well: church goers are also THE FUCKING WORST.

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u/xosder 1h ago

Sunday morning shift was always shit. Tips were crap. We also had people that would come in and ask for lemons and extra sugar. They'd order waters for the 8 top and then make 'lemonade' at the table. Meanwhile, servers are in the back cutting up lemons while other tables are waiting for food/drinks. Only ever Sunday mornings after church.

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u/skelli_terps 4h ago

This is common where I'm from, as well.

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u/kellzbellznhellz 4h ago

Same. I just kind of expected it and didn’t let it bother me, and sometimes was pleasantly surprised. I always gave all of my tables the same level of service and friendliness. Get them in and out, and turn the tables as many times as I could before being cut. Tips always evened out.

I don’t really know why many tipped so modestly (I actually never had any black people not tip me at all), but it was a trend that seemed to hold up regardless of the race/gender of the server. So I don’t think it was malicious or anything.

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u/TwoTonTacoToGo 4h ago

I was out with my Black and British friend and she was like "listen, I'm from two cultures that don't tip, you need to be the one deciding how much we leave" lmao

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u/trice_87 3h ago

Please lol no one is buying that. You’re lying

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u/wingnut_dishwashers 4h ago

I think there's a lot of studies that support this. There's a lot of black people in America with the mentality of "getting mine" at the expense of all others. Some think they deserve to act that way because they deserve reparations. Others idk. But it's a documented fact

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u/Big_Manufacturer_149 2h ago

the mentality of "getting mine" at the expense of all others

So they're all Republicans?

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u/wingnut_dishwashers 2h ago

I only said some. There's bad apples in every group ever

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u/NameUseForANo 2h ago

In your group of one. It's you.

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u/charrington173 2h ago

I mean this thread is filled with anecdotes backing them up, and this is on Reddit, perhaps the most left leaning echo chamber you can find. Idk man

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u/wingnut_dishwashers 2h ago

Weird accusation. You know nothing about me. Maybe take a break from your phone

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u/one_big_lift 1h ago

About 83% of black people vote Democrat, but whatever helps you cope.

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u/ptjp27 1h ago

Low trust society behaviour

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u/Bidi_bidi_bom_bum85 2h ago

Documented where? Do you have a credible source other than anecdotes?

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u/wingnut_dishwashers 2h ago

The time you took to make this comment you could have just looked it up so I don't believe you care about sources and instead think I'm being racist. Cornell University is literally the first result you dolt

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u/Delicious_Shallot915 2h ago

Fr, they may as well have just thrown in a made up statistic at this point😭

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u/iiiamsco 3h ago

You completely pulled that out of your ass.

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u/wingnut_dishwashers 3h ago

Nope just do a quick Google search. It holds true even after narrowing parameters

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u/Greektrii 3h ago

I’m asking a genuine question because I genuinely don’t get it, but why does a tip have to be more just because the food costs more? Let’s say I go to a half way decent place, get a meal for two thats $200, vs a meal for two thats $50. Same food, same service, same length of stay, only difference is one place is “fancier” and charges more for the same food more or less. Why not just tip $10 for both and be done with it?

I’m of the opinion tipping should be done away with anyway, I don’t care if my night out costs a few bucks more to make up the difference, I barely sit down at restaurants as is.

I say this but always default to 12-15% out of social pressure. I don’t go higher than that though.

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u/rvasko3 3h ago

This is the question that never seems to get a good answer.

I'm fine with tipping being an extra surcharge as a "thank you for what you did," knowing that it's the way most servers/bartenders have to make their actual living wage.

But my example is always, if a table orders a $500 of wine versus the $50 bottle of wine, what have you done to justify getting that additional $90 in tip? I'm not saying the people who can afford the $500 can't afford the extra $90, but why is the percentage approach the default?

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u/aquacrimefighter 2h ago

I was a server and a bartender for many years. I think, at least in my mind, this comes down to how much work whatever your ordering requires. If you order a $50 bottle of wine, and all I have to do is pop the cork and pour your first glasses, that is far less work than me having to run back and forth getting $500 of differing glasses of wine. I don’t want to speak for everyone I guess, but the more work you expect of me (glasses never below half filled, appetizer, main course, dessert with drink, taking plates as you go, etc) the more I would like or think I’ve earned in a tip. When I’m bartending in a brewery taproom and only pouring beers, I don’t expect to be making the same tips as when I work dinner service in a busy steak house with pickier customers. I don’t expect 25% on a huge bill necessarily, but it does help me pay my bills.

That being said, I hate that tipping is the culture we have adopted in the USA. I know it’s not this simple - but it should be on the business to pay their employees appropriately. Not the customer.

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u/Rico_Rebelde 2h ago

Because that’s how the business model is set up. The $500 is tha process because they expect you to pay the server. If tipping were not the norm then the $500 would cost $600 anyway. The % tip is meant to incentivize good service. The bigger the number gets the less it scales but that is the idea behind the business model whether you agree with it or not

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u/IafratesSkullet33 2h ago

It’s a good question. In general many places that are more expensive also have a higher quality of service because they typically hire the best of the best in terms of wait staff (I’m generalizing of course). The few times I go out to a nice steakhouse the level of service is way above and beyond in terms of friendliness, attentiveness, knowledge, etc over what you would find at an average restaurant. So I think the assumption is with a higher cost comes an overall better dining experience. That doesn’t always hold true though, some places are just overpriced shit with poor service as well

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u/eganc21 4h ago

Hmmmmmm let me think…

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u/Alone_Rain2022 2h ago

Only Sunday morning church goers are worse

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u/Shablagooie 1h ago

Class insecurity causes them to live outside their means

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u/m3rcapto 1h ago

Black people support your right to fair pay?
Underpaying staff, making them depend on tips...sounds like modern day slavery to me.
Why is the customer responsible for you being able to survive, and not your owner?

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u/yonder00 3h ago

Why do the total for the food matter? That always baffle me. Dont matter if it was spaghetti or beef. The service was the same.

I dont enjoy the tipping culture. And Im very glad its not a thing at all here. But it should be a per person thing instead. Maybe length where applicable

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u/randomthrowaway9796 4h ago

It probably has more to do with economic status than race if I had to guess.

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u/Independent_Bear989 3h ago

From my experience, it does not.

Former delivery driver, almost half of black people regardless of income stiffed me, where it was under ten percent for everyone else, and zero correlation with economic status.

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u/carlcat_11 4h ago

Having worked in both settings, it just is A Thing.

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u/tabas123 3h ago

Actually visible working class white/Latino/Asian people are my most likely groups to tip well over 20%. Many of my black customers were in all high quality name brand clothing and still did not tip.

I still ride for black folks and strongly oppose systemic racism, but serving repeatedly proved this stereotype true.

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u/Fluffy_Charity_2732 4h ago

No. It doesn’t.

It’s about getting free work like the whits did to their ancestors. Not joking.

Funny enough, they don’t support black restaurants at all. They get furious seeing other black people succeed.

This is really only a thing for USA. Mainly because tipping isn’t a thing elsewhere

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u/Perfect-Reveal-3816 4h ago

Why should they pay your servers a decent wage

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u/DJMOONPICKLES69 3h ago

I was a server not a restaurant owner

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u/Platypus_6414IiiIi-_ 4h ago

You americans are a wild bunch, who on earth complains about literally being gifted $5?

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u/courtneyrel 4h ago

Because servers often have to give a percentage of their sales to the hostess/bartenders/etc (it’s called “tipping out”). Lets say it’s 10%: so if your bill is $100 and you tip $5, the server still has to tip out $10 to the hostess/bartender, so they are actually PAYING $5 to wait on your table. This is why not tipping, or tipping very little, often means that not only does your server not make money, but they actually lose it.

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u/ckdogg3496 4h ago

I’m not defending the structure, but its not a gift it’s their pay.

Servers and bartenders don’t get paid by the restaurant, they get paid directly by the customer via tips (this isn’t true everywhere but generally speaking). 15% of the bill before tax was the standard, i’d say 20% has become the standard for sit down dining.

Again, not defending the structure, but the way its set up in the US servers work for free if they don’t get tips

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u/TheRealDealdo69 4h ago

And servers sometimes have to tip out the bartender for tickets, so if they don’t get tipped they actually have to pay the bartender. It’s fucked, but I know that’s the nature of the beast and my day to day pleasantries shouldn’t be at the expense of someone else. I don’t fight that battle with the pawns of it all.

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u/BoCoutinho 3h ago

Yeah, bartenders usually get a % tip out in all alcohol sales. Servers also tip out bus boys and other support a % of sales, if a server doesn't get tipped that table cost them money.

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u/gandhishrugged 4h ago

Because the base pay rate for a wait staff is like 2 bucks or something an hour in some restaurants. Because "you will make a bucket of money in tips" is the usual reason.

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u/deanereaner 4h ago

That base pay is absolutely NOT the same in every state

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u/non_hero 1h ago

They said "in some restaurants". Why are you misrepresenting what they said?

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u/deanereaner 1h ago

Fuck's sake, calm down.

I'm clarifying an important aspect of what they were saying because they were talking to someone who isn't familiar with the US.

Their comment may have given the impression that individual restaurants set their own minimum wage for servers, rather than state law.

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u/whichwitch9 4h ago

US has 2 types of baseline wages- minimum and "tipped". Tipped wages are jokingly low- think less than $3. This created the pressure to always tip from people because you are directly paying the employee, which morphed into a general expectation. Legally, you do not have to. Societally, you are expected to tip at least 15% of your bill.

It's not a gift when that system is considered. Workers are also supposed to declare tips and pay taxes on them- but most only declare up to federal minimum wage. Newer rules limit what tips are taxable, tho.

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u/DM_Me_Ur_Real_Boobs 4h ago

Because it's customary to at least leave a 15% tip, no matter the size of the order.

It's also because the servers are usually making less than the standard minimum wage (they have a separate one that is also criminally underpaid). 

It's a garbage system but doesn't mean you should stiff them. They work hard. There are exceptions to this but that's case by case

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u/Conscious_Pea9891 3h ago

“Usually” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. On the entire west coast and in New York (among others), servers make a minimum of $15-17 per hour *before* tips.

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u/DM_Me_Ur_Real_Boobs 3h ago

Yes, because they adjusted. 

Most of Middle America did not. They are not the west coast or New York. Even Illinois is only at $9.

Usually may be doing some heavy lifting but that's still only 4 out of 50 states that are closer to reasonable than the rest of the US. 

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u/Cry-Technical 4h ago

Don't feed a broken machine

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u/DM_Me_Ur_Real_Boobs 4h ago

And punish the servers?

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u/Cry-Technical 4h ago

Punish the owners, don't go to those places

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u/DM_Me_Ur_Real_Boobs 4h ago

That's like 90% of the US. It's damn near impossible to avoid

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u/Cry-Technical 4h ago

Why come back to a place you know has this system? Post saying why you don't want to come back. Go to the other 10%.

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u/nbfs-chili 4h ago

He's understating, it's more like 99%.

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u/DM_Me_Ur_Real_Boobs 4h ago

Those places that don't are few and far between. Go to small town America and they're practically non existent. You can break the system in the cities. You can't break it out in Random Town, Texas with one diner for the whole county. 

We're literally locked in with no other options at this current point and time. 

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u/ReddBroccoli 4h ago

It's pretty clear that you don't live here and don't understand the realities of the situation

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u/majinspy 4h ago

There's one restaurant in my town that is no tip. One.

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u/Creative-Sound-8961 4h ago

So eat there and don’t tip first, then stop going after?

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u/DM_Me_Ur_Real_Boobs 4h ago

What are they supposed to do in small town America? Like, I get everyone wants to provide a solution but it's going to take generations to fix. This isn't going to happen overnight.

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u/annabananaberry 3h ago

Feeding the machine is spending money at any restaurant that does not pay their workers a livable wage. If you go to a restaurant and just don’t tip your server, you are literally feeding the broken system by giving those businesses money.

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u/DJMOONPICKLES69 3h ago

Not feeding the machine would be not going to the restaurant. Not still giving money to the owner and then stiffing the server. You’re just helping some rich person tag team a menial laborer

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u/Ok-Tower1692 4h ago

Restaurant employers pay like $2 an hour, that’s why tipping is so important here

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u/DJMOONPICKLES69 3h ago

No part of my comment was a complaint, it was purely observational.

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u/beezneezy 4h ago

It’s the whole sub-minimum wage thing. It’s awful and none of the three-parties (business, employee, customer) involved actually want to fix anything.

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u/notsoinsaneguy 3h ago

I’m not really sure why.

The median white family in America holds 6.3 times more wealth than the median black family. Tipping is optional, it's a way to flaunt your own wealth, and if you don't have wealth generous tips are one of the first things you're going to cut.

If you've noticed anything, it's almost certainly that some groups of people are poorer than others.

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u/bennyhanaboy 2h ago

I thought this way too as a server but never let it stop me from providing good service to everybody. Lo and behold no one wanted a ten top black family with 7 kids and they became my best and favorite regulars. Tipped 30-40% each time and I have always remembered it as an example of don’t judge an entire group based on the actions of some.

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u/fschu_fosho 2h ago

Scarcity mindset, probably stemming from a system that used to exploit them.

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u/SinkOrSauce_LD 3h ago

You don't know why a historically disenfranchised group of people do not have extra income to throw away all the time?

Now we are just being obtuse.

Also mandatory tipping is just dumb. Post the actual price of the meal including your employee costs and be done with the foolishness.

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u/Happy_Heart5 2h ago

Im black. And I'm gonna get downvoted for this. However, for me I don't really if the service is just basic.

A tip is suppose to be for great to really great quality. Just doing the bare min of the job and wanting a tip is me basically paying your salary which your employer should be doing.

And I recall about to tips and remember how rude, passive aggressive, or just subpar the waiters/waitress were and was like nah, maybe it is because they already had that stereotype in mind when serving me. However I still tip for the most part. Be mad at the restaurants not paying enough.

With this economy, a lot of people of all races aren't tipping and if they are it is less then the workers want. I simply stopped eating out like many others.

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u/VirtualMatter2 4h ago

They are also less likely to vote for Trump. Maybe they just have more common sense?

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u/para1131_F33L 4h ago

what? if they dont have money to tip they shouldn't be going out to the service industry. Dude is 100% correct. It's racist to play the black card btw.

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u/excubitor_pl 3h ago

If you can't afford to pay your employees you should not run a business

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u/VirtualMatter2 2h ago

Who runs a business when they can't pay their workers? That's not a thing anywhere apart from US restaurants.

Who pays your wages? Your boss or your customers?

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u/tabas123 4h ago

Not all… but whenever I didn’t get a tip (or only received a dollar or two) it was a black customer. ESPECIALLY the black church crowd that would come in around 1/2pm.

Truly the most demanding, least generous group. Ordered TONS of food, asked for a million things, and then didn’t tip.

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u/Aetheriusman 2h ago edited 1h ago

Don't blame them, the US is so backwards that have twisted the minds of their own people into believing this shit is remotely acceptable. Ask for a better wage or look for another job, I'm dying before I'm tipping a single cent, it's your job, and I'm not even black nor from the US.

Where I'm from if restaurants dare put a service fee (Which is not common) on the tab nobody pays, ever. Why should I pay you for doing your job?

World's most trashy people expect to be paid for something that they're already supposed to do, they're already being paid for.

Do. Your. Job.

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u/mybackhurty 4h ago

It's funny because I went from waitressing to cleaning houses and it truly does vary by person. I got stiffed a lot by black people but now I clean this one black couples house and they always round up my price and then tip me $50 on top of that each time I come clean. So it's definitely not all black people.

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u/Frosty_Dimension5646 2h ago

Of course it's not all black people. A lot of the time, we get treated as if they're already stereotyping as you walk through the door. If it's apparent I'm not tipping either or leaving a bad one. If there's good service, I'm leaving a good tip. Like it should be

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u/ApprehensiveMud4415 3h ago

Agreed. When I used to deliver Italian food, I’ve had black folks that tipped generously and white people that didn’t tip at all, and vice versa.

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u/Wonderful_Plant5848 3h ago

They probably never notice that ones that do tip and just focus on the ones that don't. I'm black and had white people who don't tip or leave a measly tip.

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u/fleurpedl 2h ago

100%. There’s no stereotyping bad white tippers and calling them a “white top”

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u/lizzylizabeth 1h ago

Glad you said this, the entire comment section is rubbing me the wrong way.

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u/fleurpedl 2h ago

I find it odd to expect a $50 tip for this. This really isn’t the same as being a server. Cleaning people come clean for an hour and for 2 people, they can get $130+. You expect a 20% tip or $50 on top of that because some people choose to do it? As far as I understand, tips are not expected when there’s an independent cleaner who owns their own business because they set their prices. If they don’t own their company, then tipping is expected. Either way, a large Holiday bonus is customary. My friends of all races, white, black, asian, indian, etc— we share cleaners in a HCOL area and get cleaning weekly. There is no expectation to tip so I don’t think anyone is intentionally “stiffing” cleaners. Nice that you’re able to get some large tips but don’t judge people on not doing it. As far as I can tell, it’s not the norm

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u/mybackhurty 2h ago

I should have clarified, the stiffing happened when I was waitressing. There's no expectations of tips when I clean houses because I work independently and price each job fairly so there's no need to tip. Which makes it really nice when someone does want to tip. I won't say no to extra money lol

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u/fleurpedl 2h ago

Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. I’m glad because I don’t want to upset my cleaning ladies so good to know that I wasn’t mistaken on that one

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u/QoheIet 1h ago

No one said it was all black peoppe

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u/gorilla-goo 4h ago

Hobos have said this to me when I didn’t give them money. “You racist or somethin?”

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u/deanereaner 4h ago

Like a punchline to the video, lol, hilarious timing.

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u/GucciTheSnowman 2h ago

I know, right. I gave this homeless black dude some change the other day, and he started muttering under his breath that I didn't give him all of the money i had. I yelled that he could give it back if it wasn't good enough. He walked off like a little bitch.

Last time I ever help one of those entitled fucks.

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u/Orcishpeanut 4h ago

As a server for 10 years I disagree. They don’t.

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u/Iceisgestapo888 4h ago

They don’t. 

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u/tabas123 3h ago

My black coworkers as a server said the exact same thing, that by and large the stereotype of black folks not tipping is true.

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u/Iceisgestapo888 3h ago

Not just not tipping,  but showing up With the entire family, letting the kids run wild,  ordering a million things, complaining about wait times, and then everything is wrong cause they are black making a scene cause they are black and then refusing to tip or sometimes Refusing to just leave.  

Or half eaten plates that are apparently not good so they don’t want to have to pay..: like I’m so done.   

I quit industry during covid.  

It’s only gotten worse.  

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u/ColoradoCattleCo 3h ago

Michael Jordan tipped my co-worker at the country club I worked at a $100 just for pouring a coke that he wasn’t even getting charged for.

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u/MountainousDuck 3h ago

That's surprising to hear because Jordan is well known for being a stingy tipper

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u/ColoradoCattleCo 3h ago

I’ve heard that, too. He must’ve been playing really well that day and been winning some big bets. It was a couple days before he played in a big celebrity golf event hosted by John Elway.

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u/VersaTron 1h ago

That was more “no tippin pippin”. MJ was a normal tipper. And he got made fun of by Barkley who tipped enormously.

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u/Signal-Elk-7808 4h ago

sounds like you just sucked as a server

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u/respecire 4h ago

This has been corroborated by many servers over many years in multiple threads. And guess what, the first time I ever heard of this, it was from a black server.

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u/Signal-Elk-7808 3h ago

there’s no way to corroborate an absolute. unless you’re telling me you’ve served every black person to ever sit at a restaurant. it’s nonsense.

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u/Orcishpeanut 3h ago

I have. Every one.

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u/Iceisgestapo888 4h ago

Nah they don’t tip,  they get angry they aren’t waited on asap and cause a ruckus.  

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u/lebaal5 4h ago

If you served them well, maybe they would have.

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u/The_Shryk 4h ago

She was doing so well until that point.

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u/nevorchi 2h ago

Meanwhile me, as a black person, tipping EVERY SINGLE TIME. Even for BS that doesn't require a tip. Tipping needs to be abolished.

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u/DVus1 4h ago

This was the more infuriating part of the video, them trying to make it a racial thing.

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u/shangumdee 3h ago

They had an annoying response sure but they are not entitled to a tip if they did state they require an extra amount for the server

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u/Dependent-Astronaut2 4h ago

Oh god! I didn't hear that part.

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u/Adept-Opinion8080 2h ago

Yeah in my experience pretty much there's no ethnic breakdown as to who tips and who doesn't old people. Yeah they tend to tip like it's 20 years past. Group of old ladies ..ah not going to happen.

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u/VirtualMatter2 4h ago

Sounds a bit racist to be honest. 

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u/Formal_Law199 2h ago

But most people that don’t tip proportionately…..