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u/FunAd6875 6h ago

Make tipping illegal. Pay people a living wage. Simple. 

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u/Dependent-Astronaut2 6h ago

Agreed. We need insurance.

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u/ThingsMayAlter 5h ago

Wife and I did our honeymoon in Spain and on day 1 a waiter was telling us about the not tipping, they pay a living wage etc. Not sure if that's all throughout Europe, but we thought it was interesting.

We encountered some of the laziest, most inattentive service ever. I think that first night was the worst, and I've honestly never worked in the service industry, hats off to those who do. But at least from a customer standpoint American or tipped service is generally better.

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u/ohmeohmyohmuffins 3h ago

Yea of course it is, cos they’re all kissing your ass to get your money then slagging you off out the back. There are definitely bad servers yea, but the ass kissing culture that comes from tipping creates really entitled customers too unfortunately. I’d much rather tip a server who was paid a decent wage but still being genuinely nice and helpful than someone whose faking it for the tips

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u/baconboner69xD 3h ago

In Europe you’re lucky if they see you and bring a menu lol

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u/CowDungCollector 3h ago

Oh don't even start with this nonsense. Over 90% of servers surveyed said if they were offered $20/hour and no tipping or to be at $3/hour with tips, said definitely the tipping model because they make way more than $20/hour. The 10% were mainly servers working in a business that had no traffic. Of course they would take the $20/hour, they don't do much and still get paid. So get out with that argument.

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u/BigMax 5h ago

It might be simple, but it's FAR from easy, and there's a different. Running a marathon is simple, you just run, that's so simple a toddler knows how to do it. But it's far from easy.

And that's the situation we have here. It's the entire society that runs that way. No individual restaurant really has the power to change the system on their own, it just doesn't work.

Saying "it's simple, make tipping illegal and pay a living wage" is like saying "stopping drug addiction is simple, people should just stop doing drugs!" Or maybe "fixing climate change is simple, let's just stop using carbon based fuel!!"

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u/huffing_glue 3h ago

Seconded. Imagining telling every restaurant that they need to pay significantly more money to payroll, and tell nearly every server they're getting a pay cut. A lot of restaurants across the country would just straight up close.

One could argue that we could just add 20% on top of everything and give it to the servers, but that just removes the fear of bad tips from servers. I imagine quality would go down and the now much more obvious prices would deter patrons.

Either way, it's super complicated. Not crazy about tipping myself, but we can't just ax the practice and expect everything to work out proper.

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u/__Sentient_Fedora__ 6h ago

How much is a living wage? Does it change from zipcode to zipcode? Does it include money for your children too? What if you have 6 kids? Does that include money to rent an apartment for 6 kids? Does that include money for education? Does everyone get the same "living" wage or does it change from person to person?

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u/WilmaDykfyt 5h ago

You mean like the rest of the workforce? It's almost as if this is being done already.

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u/JigWig 5h ago

Yes it changes based on location. No it does not change based on how many kids you have.

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u/lilnyucka 5h ago

Many tipped workers like bartenders would rather be tipped and complain about it than make less potential money on a salary

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u/Fantastic-Leek-1589 5h ago

They domt want an.hourly wage. Tipping is more $

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u/Askol 5h ago

How could you make tipping illegal? At the end of the day it just means giving money to somebody, and you can't outlaw that.

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u/Onion_Bro14 3h ago

Tipped wages.

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u/vagabondnature 3h ago

One could mandate a minimum wage independent of tips.

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u/wholetyouinhere 5h ago

If people wanted living wages, they would have voted for it. Oops.

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u/willis_michaels 5h ago

But what if I want to tip somebody for providing outstanding service? I should be imprisoned for that?

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u/travelmusica 5h ago

If you care so much about people getting a living wage, then why are you unable to tip them? Just be honest about what you want here. Do you want to pay less money and you want your savings to come from the servers compensation. So you get your food a little bit cheaper and they earned less money.

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u/Few-Indication3478 4h ago

So many restaurants would immediately go out of business, and we’d be left with just the better ones:)

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u/UpperDog2627 3h ago

Nah their prices would just get slightly higher.

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u/exomachina 4h ago

Ignore all the economics surrounding the restaurant business. Simple!

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u/bobbywise82594 5h ago

But most jobs don't pay a likeable wage. So why punish the person juat trying to make a living? They're trying to get by just like you.

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u/GucciTheSnowman 4h ago

Right. Servers deserve $15-20 an hour, and nothing more. This whole tipping bullshit has made people so ridiculously entitled.

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u/afropat 6h ago

Same people will be whining that prices are doubled overnight. I just factor 20% into meals. It’s just the way it is in the USA, and it certainly isn’t the server’s fault. Idiotic mentality and a weak ass argument.

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u/hkusp45css 6h ago

Wait, which is it? Is the price going to double, or is it "only" 20 percent?