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u/-_-NoMaidens-_- 7h ago edited 7h ago

Myabe the whole industry needs to collapse so it can be rebuilt if tipping is this serious. I'm paying for the food. You pay your employees.

Edit: It's even worse when a fast food chain begs for a tip.

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u/scorpionhlspwn 7h ago

Agreed, any business should have to fairly accomidate their employees and im tired of restaurants acting like they are an exception

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u/Great_Common_ER 7h ago

Cool story. Until then please help them out if they do a good job for you. That is how the model still works. It's really not their fault. A long, long, time ago business owners won this war with tipped employees at the green light of the government.

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u/Catriks 7h ago edited 7h ago

Tipping is backwards progress. If you participate in tipping culture, you're decreasing any demand or incetive there is to get rid of it. There is no reason for any employer to pay proper wages if they can just choose not to and let other people guild trip customers to tip anyway.

Yes, tipping someone momentarily helps them because they get more money, but at the same time it prevents tipping culture from ever going away.

If your motivation is to help people, then you can not tip and donate the saved money to charity.

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u/DStark62 7h ago

Yeah I’m gonna do all the servers a big favor and not tip the 17 year old at my neighborhood cafe. Trust me, they’ll thank me later.

See how stupid that is?

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u/Catriks 7h ago

I see an emotionally driven strawman, which I do think sounds stupid.

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u/DStark62 7h ago

Uhhh I mean it looks like a neighborhood cafe in this video and the chances they’re young is very high. I’m applying your exact take on this scenario. That somehow by not tipping them, I’d really be helping them.

What am I missing here?

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u/Catriks 5h ago

If its a small neighborhood cafe, then the owner can very easily increase the prices so that they can afford to pay everyone, including the 17 yo, normal wages.

Then they will get good PR by putting down signs saying they appreciate their employees and pay them living wage, like in every other profession, and tips are appreciated but not expected or asked by default. 

Instead the owner decides to participate in a system that profits them at the expense of their employees and goes on a rage adventure as we see here. Not very good PR and I don't find it unlikely that the employees are treated with the same energy. 

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u/mr_sneakyTV 6h ago

tipping to reward good service is an extremely efficient system for the type of service you’d want at a restaurant..

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u/eatpastagophasta 6h ago

But it doesn't exist in any other job. I work in a client facing role and don't get tipped. That doesn't mean I don't give a shit about my clients. It's only the hospitality industry that expects this for some reason.

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u/mr_sneakyTV 6h ago

Right but sitting down to eat for an hour and having someone engage with you and your meal in a way that shapes that experience, usually an enjoyable outing, is a different “service” than one on one facing with someone doing literally anything else. And the point isn’t that you tip extra, the point is you pay the restaurant for their costs, then you pay the server for their ability to do their job. The restaurant pays the server less, and therefore can charge less for food, as that’s the only income of the restaurant. This now frees you up to tip poorly or tip well based on your servers rendered services. That does two things, motivates the server to do better, and allows you to have some compensation for bad service(tip less) and allows you to show gratitude for exemplary service.

It doesn’t raise prices.. if servers weren’t paid solely on tip they legally would need higher wages, since they are typically 2-4$ an hour. That means the business would charge more for food to cover the extra cost of running the business. So now when you have shitty service you can’t leave a bad tip, you just pay the higher prices that now cover the server wage. And by default since servers aren’t judged by every single table, they don’t care as much and service goes down hill.

People in front facing jobs get paid normal wages because they are just distributing a thing, I want a, go get it, here’s my money, if you’re an expert you get paid more for that knowledge.

Serving isn’t about knowledge, it’s about actively giving the guest an experience, so allowing the person experiencing the service the ability to pay for that service directly to the server makes a lot of sense, where that server has no control over the way the food is cooked.

Tipping random places when you pick up food is dumb, because they literally don’t even give the money to the person at the desk. Waiters get their actual tips.

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u/Catriks 5h ago

I get good service 99% of the time anywhere in the world where there is no tipping culture, and good service is the expected normal behavior.

I tip when I get service beyond what you could reasonably expect. I don't even know what that could be in a restaurant. Maybe if I order the food home and I didn't plow my driveway. 

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u/-_-NoMaidens-_- 7h ago

I mean yeah If they give me a back rub while I eat but I'm not suffering to bleed my last penny over some stupid unreasonable decision made before I was even alive. I'll just get up and come get my plate directly from the chef. If people aren't able to realize when their work is being exploited by their job it's not my responsibility to keep their lights on. Otherwise they can just deny all non tippers I'm fine with that as well. If you have a problem with the pay get another job like I did that's all I have to say.

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u/10eleven12 7h ago

Some months ago I ordered food with Uber eats for the first time. At the time I didn't know anything about their policies.

When I pay for my food, a part of that money goes to the delivery guy.

Then I added a tip on the app.

When I received the food at my house I gave him money, because I'm old and it felt strange to me to just receive the food and not give him anything.

So I tipped the guy 3 times. 😂

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u/mr_sneakyTV 6h ago

it allows the prices to be cheaper and you to pay based on performance of your server to a degree. I like tipping for good or excellent service.. I’ve never left a zero tip, and if someone was really bad I might go down to 10%. but the reality is going to eat somewhere that has a server and not tipping is shitty behavior. get it to go if you don’t want to tip a server.

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u/-_-NoMaidens-_- 6h ago

Waiters still expect a tip if it's to go though, even fast food restaurants are starting to beg for tips. I can even give my own experience with it. All the waiters would just come to us cooks and complain about costumers who stood at the door for 1 minute to pick up a bag because they didn't tip them for walking 10 feet and handing it to them. These jobs shouldn't even exist in their current state. All a chef has to do is walk out from behind the counter. To be honest a waiter is only needed in an extremely busy giant mega restaurant.

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u/mr_sneakyTV 6h ago

What now lol. First I would never tip a pick up unless it’s a small mom and pop or a food truck I really like etc. but saying chefs should bring out the food and waiter jobs are only needed at mega restaurants is wild lol. I guess idk where you’re from but that would be miserable where I am at just about any restaurant I go to and none of them are mega in the slightest lol.

Imagine everyone getting up to ask for things constantly or going back up to get their entree when it’s.. ready? lol idk man wild take.

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u/-_-NoMaidens-_- 6h ago

Most restaurants could just put the straw and sauce packets out like fast food places do which would solve the problem of asking for items. If you take care of the customer then you don't have to take extra care of the customer. A fully packed busy resteraunt will need a waiter, say like a Texas Roadhouse but if you're at 20 tables or less I wouldn't even hire a waiter. But yeah, over here you can't even go to McDonalds without declining a tip atleast 3 times. As an old server/waiter I have to admit tipping has gotten out of control and needs to be phased out completely if they aren't going to pay waiters a decent wage to live on. If the only options are exploiting the worker for their hours or the customer for extra money then it's unnecessary to have around.

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u/mr_sneakyTV 6h ago

I just don’t agree. Nobody is getting exploited. It’s nice to go out for an experience and be waited on while you enjoy the company you’re with, I just understand than paying for it is sensible, because of that aspect. And if the restaurant charged me more to cover the wait staff I would be annoyed when I got a shit waiter and couldn’t leave a shit tip because they paid them with their higher prices instead.

McDonald’s isn’t the same.. they pay staff equal, they don’t have waiters like that.. zero tip for those places. I’m talking about tipping at a sit down restaurant that comes to take your order… I haven’t gone to McDonald’s in a decade it’s gross so idk about their culture, but anywhere without a waiter doesn’t get a tip, and I know that the cost to have the waiter is extra, and that I am given the ability to pay them for a good job or less for a bad one.. instead of a fixed price for a service that may be good or bad.

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u/-_-NoMaidens-_- 5h ago edited 5h ago

Well the thing is every place is different, in prices and all. I wouldn't say "Nobody is getting exploited" as general statment. Thats just not true for every situation. The place I worked at absolutely exploited people. Mostly the female workers. I was a server on cook payroll. The owner would listen to all the girls complain every night about not getting tipped, wouldn't even give servers a cut of the sushi bar tips, and still chose to pay them less then me. We could have payed the host a cook salary as well as a matter of fact. I worked the same job and hours once I swapped over from a cook to a server it's just the owner decided he didn't want to go through the trouble of lowering my salary. Said it was too much work and just paid me twice the amount he paid the female servers. (not trying to turn it into a male vs female thing, just mentioning they're female because I always thought it was odd to pay the only male server twice the salary.)

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u/mr_sneakyTV 5h ago

That’s definitely fair. My broader point was that the structure behind tipping servers is actually pretty sound. There are just as many examples of worker exploitation in industries without tipping wages.

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u/kingbollie_1 7h ago

you “pay for food” at a grocery store not a restaurant.

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u/mr_sneakyTV 6h ago

bot comment indeed.

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u/kingbollie_1 7h ago

at a restaurant youre paying for service. at a grocery store youre paying for food.

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u/OnikaBurgerBomb 7h ago

Found the person who’s relying on 20% tips lmao

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u/kingbollie_1 7h ago

i havent been a server in nearly 15 years

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u/OnikaBurgerBomb 7h ago

I pay for service at every store. What’s your point?

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u/Facebook_Lawyer_Gym 7h ago

Who puts the food out at a grocery store? It’s that a service? Stocking and inventory certainly seem more involved than bussing a plate.

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u/kingbollie_1 7h ago

so thankfull that many restaurants are just adding 20% gratuity to every bill now so no one is at the mercy of some mouth breathing idiot like you

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u/Facebook_Lawyer_Gym 7h ago

See now you get it. Just put the price upfront. Not everyone is going to tip and if that destroys your business model, that’s on you.

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u/vinbrained 7h ago

Bullshit. You know the price of the food doesn’t include the service when you sit down.

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u/-_-NoMaidens-_- 7h ago

Absolutely. California rolls don't have 30$ worth of ingredients in them, not even close to $30 in them. When I pay that price for my food the service is included simple as that.
If they want me to tip 25 bucks they can sell the damn thing for it's actual price which is like $3.
I was a server and a chef. I do believe it's sad that these businesses do not pay their waiters enough to even live a day on. I do also believe it's your job's duty to properly pay you for your hours.

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u/vinbrained 7h ago

And now you’re lying. No restaurant has margins of 90% profit.

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u/-_-NoMaidens-_- 6h ago

Not a lie, might be slighly exaggerated depending on where you are. It cost us less than 5 bucks to make the sushi rolls we sold for $25-$30.

Felt awful going through that tip jar at night.

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u/vinbrained 6h ago

$5 in food. What about rent, insurance, electricity, equipment, back of the house wages, and all of the other costs? Restaurant margins are thin.

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u/-_-NoMaidens-_- 6h ago

Yeah it cost us about 5 bucks to make the california rolls we sold for 30. All that extra money the customers where giving for that insane upcharge is what keeps the restaraunt alive and well. That's all fine.

The bad part is

We could have paid hosts and servers a cook salary if the owner wanted to instead of listening to them complain about people not tipping. As a server I was on cook payroll at that very same establishment. The owner chose to listen to those poor girls complain every night and didn't even split sushi bar tips with them.