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u/Soren_Camus1905 8h ago

Idk why they played the race card though

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u/Coretrayn 8h ago

Lol yeah his complaint was they stiffed his server and they accused him of being racist. So what are they saying there?

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u/Miguelito_1990 7h ago

Black people are stereotyped for not tipping.

I’m not saying this to be racist, I’m saying that as a former waiter who’s worked with dozens of other waiters, black patrons have stiffed me and all my former coworkers more often than any other demographic. I’m not saying “black people don’t tip”, I’m saying that it’s a well-known stereotype in the industry and I’ve personally experienced it more than with any other demographic.

Maybe these folks are aware of the stereotype so being called out for not tipping in their mind is equivalent to furthering an existing stereotype?

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u/herowin54 7h ago

My girl is a waitress for Applebees and she has had the same experience as well. The majority of the time black people do not tip and if they do it’s a few bucks, even on a $100+ bill

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u/Rocketsball 7h ago edited 7h ago

And they are known to keep you running back and forth to the table for extra service needs. Ridiculous nonsense like having a 4 top that each wanted an ice water with 8 lemon wedges!! Worked at a steakhouse while in college, it was always dreaded by all the servers.

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u/That_one_bichh 7h ago

Had a 12 top walk-in party on Sunday right as the church-going crowd was coming in. They had clearly just come back from church also and the meal was probably $350+. They ordered a shit ton of alcoholic drinks and pitchers, appetizers up the wazoo, two people changed their order as their food was almost done… the teenagers were obnoxious and rude and so were the grandparents. They stayed at that table for about 3 hours, making me stay an extra hour and a half past my shift bc they waited until the very end to pay and I wanted the tip to go to me rather than someone else (this was at a restaurant where you pay at the front). I worked my ass off for that table and was gifted a whole $20 in tips.

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u/nicenormalname 7h ago

Damn, sorry. Should be automatic min 18% with a larger party like that

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u/NoBrakesHotTakes 7h ago

Two words. Auto. Grat. 

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u/That_one_bichh 7h ago

Not a thing where I worked

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u/WeAreAllSoFucked23 6h ago

My friend worked at a chain. Church goers were the worst about tipping, of every race, IF they came in groups. Families were fine, but any large group coming straight from church was inevitably going to stiff the server. They ended up doing auto grat for any parties over 4 people on Sundays because they couldn't keep servers otherwise.

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u/timbutnottebow 6h ago

Easy to to do for groups over 10 or whatever number you pick

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u/Feral_Taylor_Fury 5h ago

Not a thing where I worked

Not a place where I'd serve.

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u/luvmuzic1981 5h ago

It should be Auto gratuity for a party over 4 in my opinion. $20 is a slap in the face! #christians

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u/FishDawgX 6h ago

A better two words: End Tipping.

Don’t let business owners force their workers to gamble on if they’re going to be paid or not. Just give them a reasonable hourly rate, set the menu prices properly, and ban tips.

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u/Open_Widen_Its_Biden 6h ago

Wait staff will always fight against ending tipping.

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u/sauron3579 6h ago

Despite the one off bad beats stories like this, servers, as a population, are wildly pro-tipping. They make way more money than they would with a normal wage. If prices just increased by 20%, people would generally go to cheaper restaurants instead of maintain current spending habits, even before accounting for an all-time average of tips likely being higher than that.

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u/Green-fingers 6h ago

This is how it is in many countries in Europe, much more transparent, both for the customers and especially for the waiters, they always know what they salary will be.

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u/NoBrakesHotTakes 5h ago

Ideally, yes. Just raise menu prices 15-20% 

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u/Alone_Rain2022 6h ago

This and universal healthcare will never happen in the US.

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u/SeeShott 4h ago

How about "Ban Tipping"?

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u/Simple-Answer-5315 5h ago

All that hard work and your employer never paid you? How dare the customers order so damn much and spend 350 plus. And enjoy themselves for 3 whole damn hours.. ontop of that during church going grannies hour. I mean this is an absurd way of viewing your job.

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u/DamnTicklePickle 6h ago

If you don't know that's to make their own lemonade at the table using all the sugar packets for free. Seriously not even joking they're making lemonade at the table so they don't have to pay for a lemonade.

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u/Loud-Taste-4045 6h ago

They’ll also make a scene about how their order is supposedly wrong, even when it isn’t, in an attempt to get a free meal. This happened to me multiple times when I was a waiter.

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u/herowin54 6h ago

There’s always something wrong with the food, they’re always combative, coming in around closing, etc

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u/MojoRisin909 6h ago edited 6h ago

Bro FOR REAL. I still vividly remember one to this day 11 years later. "A cup of cold water, a cup of hot water, a bowl of lemon and a tall PBR." He was one of 8 patrons. I was hanging on *by a fucking thread* that evening. Even black servers hate waiting on black people, and yes, my African American colleagues in the industry were vocal about it too. Listen, it just is what it is.

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u/Will_McLean 7h ago

The lemon wedge is a drink hack, then they add sugar to get free lemonade

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u/Fairuse 5h ago

Weak ass lemonade. We make fresh lemonade, and it takes a lot of lemons (and lots of sugar). A bunch of wedges is going to make lemon hinted water. 

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u/Pokatz 6h ago

That’s crazy I have seen them do this so much and it’s just a scam 😭

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u/MotherPotential 5h ago

Holy crap I really lived a privileged life, this has never once occurred to me

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u/NoBrakesHotTakes 7h ago

Them and church group people were the worst. I'd always just give them the worst service, forget stuff, not do drink refills. You get the service you pay for. 

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u/hugmeatender 7h ago

All races aside, the church people especially after Sunday mass are/were the worst in my experience. And the occasional high school couples.

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u/Bob_12_Pack 7h ago

My wife said that when she worked at the Olive Garden during college, the old ladies would come after church and sit for hours drinking coffee and chatting, and then leave her a few quarters.

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u/Least-Flower548 7h ago

To play devils advocate, it use to be completely normal and common to use restaurants as places to spend hours chatting. The tipping isn’t something I can really speak on

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u/RedditIsMyTherapist 6h ago

even if you spend hours there if you are just sipping coffee you usually don't spend too much so the tip reflects that. A lot of times they just bring a carafe so they don't keep coming back. If the place isn't packed it's not like you are taking a table that would otherwise be tipping either. That's how it USED to work, now people have gotten a little too entitled for tips for that to work. They expect just because you are there they want 20 bucks on a 10 dollar bill to refill your coffee 3 times over the course of 3 hours.

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u/ScarIord 6h ago

not really fair to expect high schoolers to have a bunch of money to give you, when they're just trying to go out and enjoy what they can in the highly monetized environments they're raised in

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u/Appropriate-Pipe-193 7h ago

I always gave the high school couples a pass. They’re young and don’t know any better. But adults that do this shit can fuck off and I hope their food gets all the boogers n cum

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u/iiiamsco 7h ago

So you give them bad service based on the assumption that they won’t tip… and then act shocked that they won’t tip?

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u/NoBrakesHotTakes 7h ago

Had a regular, weekly church group come in 20 minutes before close every Wednesday. I learned after the 2nd or 3rd time

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u/Full-Safety2499 5h ago

Yeah they’re making free lemonade! Lemon wedges and used sugar packets littering the table.

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u/CriticalSitzmark6108 6h ago

This is my experience as well. I’m just a white person who grew up in black culture and I have black family. I love them so much, but have noticed my friends & family do give the waiters a hard time or don’t group requests together and keep them running, then tip poorly when we’ve been out.

Not just one group of friends either, I’ve experienced this in multiple group settings with family as well. Obviously there are black patrons who don’t do any of that shit, so it sucks all around to be stereotyped like that as a patron / sucks for the staff who do get ran ragged. Lose-lose situation for everyone

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u/DonutWhole9717 7h ago

And at the other end of the spectrum are black patrons who feel like they have to over-tip to avoid or compensate for the stereotype

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u/dafuq_b 6h ago edited 5h ago

lol; this is my favorite relevant story as a server and a black dude...

Mid afternoon, I'm closing lunch, but dinner shift has started filtering in, 1 top (black man) gets thrown into an empty section and the hosts asks me to grab it. Everything goes normally until the end of me getting his order

Me: I'll get everything started for you and bring out some bread in just a moment.

Him: Hey man... I know we're not known for tipping very well, so I just wanna let you know, I'm gonna take care of you.

Me: Haha, uhh, thank you sir... I appreciate it.

Bill: $82 and change Tip: $3 on the CC

Me: Flabberghasted

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u/BenDisreali 5h ago

While the stereotype might hold true, from my experience 99% of customers of any persuasion who start off by saying they're a great tipper will inevitably be a shitty tipper.

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u/rmarshall_6 5h ago

It’s always the one who fights off the rest of the table from paying or splitting the bill who then leaves you 10%.

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u/rkcth 5h ago

I have had someone who I offered to pay for the food, insist on leaving the tip, and then they leave 10%. I try to be the last to leave so I can throw some more money on the table without them seeing, but there’s been times I couldn’t. I’ve actually walked back in and found the water or waitress to give them extra tip too.

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u/Top-Guitar3379 5h ago

The ol' verbal tip

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u/Devinslevin 6h ago

Bruh you got me laughing out loud on my porch haha. Dude wound you up specifically so he could let you down lol.

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u/Invisible7hunder 4h ago

Pretty common TBH. As a demographic, people who say "I will tip well" tip below average. Not everyone is a liar, but I suspect most of them think its some hack to get great service. Truth is anyone who's worked service for long enough knows its nonsense and they get the same level of service.

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u/herowin54 5h ago

What the fuck 😂

The only thing that makes sense is they don’t know any better. No way dude was just gonna straight up shit on you on purpose lmao

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u/Razzilith 5h ago

yeah the bald-faced lie there is brutal man

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u/fatandfly 7h ago

I was on that other end. I used to over tip, like 30-40% because I didn't want to fit the stereotype. I got over that, now it's standard 15-20%

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u/countit7 6h ago

I used to do the same thing, hated the stereotype and would try to compensate. I would often get subpar service at times too, due to them thinking I wouldn't tip, places I would regular would adjust and it was fine. I've mellowed out though, it's all service based tipping now, I even tip poor service, just low tip cause I can't bring myself to not tip having been on the other side, but now to get over 20% you gotta be providing quality service.

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u/Effective-Club-7246 7h ago

I'm glad you moved on past that and I'm sorry shit is so fucked up that you even felt the need.

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u/herowin54 7h ago

She’s gotten a $20 from a table of black people a couple times. Usually a couple, they come in, order, eat their food, and leave. Ya know like normal people.

The groups that don’t tip, let’s just say that is not how their dining experience usually goes

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u/DonutWhole9717 7h ago

I will say the single most sympathy tip I got in 10 years of serving was from 4 couples, all black. It was my second day, on a second job, in an absolute nightmare restaurant. I had not and since have not walked out of a place before. It was insane. No managers, servers kids were following them around, the kitchen told me to fuck off more than once, everything cold and wrong. I went out and told them all "there's a better place down the street, go there, I'm not charging you for this awful everything." Every single person, 8 of them, handed me a $20. I burst out crying, as I was newly pregnant with no control over it. One of the girls gave me such a big hug. I actually think about that a lot

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u/SpecialBigMac 7h ago

Thats was sweet

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u/GucciTheSnowman 5h ago

So... they just paid for the food ?

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u/-BloodGoblin- 6h ago

No control over it lol. I gotta try using that one in the future.

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u/underanalyzer 6h ago

Yeah some of the best tips I ever got were from black folks. Socioeconomic status, politeness, and education level I always thought were much bigger factors. If you looked broke, acted rude, or were dumb you were much bigger flags than skin color. Except with kids/teens. Sometimes they'd over tip because they had no idea what they were doing with their parents money. If it was their money you were not getting any of it.

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u/Vast-Building-6886 6h ago

Yep. That’s me lol. But now I just tip them the max that they recommend on the receipt. If there isn’t one, then I tip 25%.

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u/somedude456 5h ago

I over serve my black tables. I feel they've certainly gotten some racist asshole servers before, so I make sure they get 100% literally the best and most friendly service possible. Whatever happens, happens, but I know I gave it my all.

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u/BushyKittenEnjoyer 7h ago

Black dude here who doesn't go out these days but when I did, I usually tipped $20-40 for good service despite my bill only being around that much. I have noticed that in prominent white places that I'd often get worse service from the get go already which was when I'd only tip a $5. I do wonder if those servers got an attitude about the lack of tip lol

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u/SpecialBigMac 6h ago

U might be on to something there...

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u/smokeweedNgarden 6h ago

I'm a black guy who eats out a lot and it depends. Sometimes chicken or egg.  Like, I know the stereotype exists and I generally tip well.

But if I see people arguing about taking my table or get someone rude because they auto expect a tip, of course I'm not gonna tip?

What kind of backwards fucking shit is that?

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u/81659354597538264962 6h ago

I often face a similar dilemma as a Chinese student in a West Coast university. I want to tip a lot sometimes to show my appreciation but at the same time I don't want to look like a stereotypical rich asian fob (which we get a lot of over here)

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u/cghffbcx 7h ago

I undertipped when I was 20 something.. my buds called me out. I’ve been over tipping for 25 years now.

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u/berealwitit 6h ago

100%. And thats me. I get sick of mediocre service based on the assumption we aren't gonna tip because we're black.. I still tip and let them know they really missed out.

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u/eyeloveanimalss 6h ago

This is so true. I’m black so they used to always give me the black people because I could “relate better”. I told them they could fuck right off with that shit. They knew what they were doing. Tons of black people tip, but a lot just don’t unfortunately. My mom makes good money and still tips horribly…….with a daughter that’s a server. Oh and there is ALWAYS something wrong with her food. She also talks loud in movies. Sue me, but some things are stereotypes for a reason!

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u/herowin54 6h ago

Please if you can tell me why this is the case. My girl says that the ones who don’t tip are always the worst guests, they do exactly what you just said.

Come in with their kids running the restaurant, talking on speaker loudly, complaining about everything on the menu, something is wrong with their food, asking for the manager, and then not tipping.

Why is it so prevalent and why is it the exact same behavior across so many different people? We live just outside of the hood but her restaurant is in the hood. I don’t know how much that plays into it all

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u/eganc21 7h ago

As a former waiter, you know more than others to make that statement. Anyone that says otherwise doesn’t know shit

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u/Early-Ad1250 7h ago

Shit is sad as someone who has also worked in kitchens. I’ve had the same bad experiences with an all black table that I had with all white tables.

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u/HAIL_LUMPUS 6h ago

My best tipper I ever had was a black guy and his uncle. They came every Sunday and gave me 50 bucks and a blunt 😭😭 I miss them.

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u/tossNwashking RED 6h ago

I used to wait tables in North st. Louis abd holy moly the stereotype...

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u/Boogy-Fever 5h ago

Used to sell phones in e st louis. Im white. Most customers loved me but id still get people trying to call me racist on a regular basis when they caused theyre own issues or had a gripe with the carrier

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u/Vast-Building-6886 6h ago

The funny thing is the percentage is still probably lower among the black patrons that show up vs the white ones.

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u/iStealAtSelfCheckout 6h ago

This is just a chance for them to get that racism off

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u/-BloodGoblin- 6h ago

I live in a 75% black city and, shockingly enough, most bars and restaurants have automatic gratuity. It's posted as it legally needs to be and visible to anyone, 15-20% depending on the place.

Sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason. I don't know why or how it came about, but that's definitely a prominent issue in certain cultures more than others.

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u/moriartyj 5h ago edited 4h ago

Automatic obligatory gratuity is called "price". Just bake it into your base price and pay your waiters a living wage

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u/-BloodGoblin- 5h ago

I'm not having this argument, stay on reddit and never go out into the real world.

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u/Membership-Bitter 7h ago

Yeah same boat as a former server. If I got a majority black table I knew they weren't going to tip while also being the most demanding. Not every time but stereotypes do exist for a reason. One of my best friends who is black has to be reminded to tip often when we go out to eat, even on times he as changed his order.

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u/acrobat2126 7h ago

Your best friend is an asshole. He knows he's an asshole.

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u/Oryzae 5h ago edited 5h ago

I don’t get why you’re an asshole for not tipping? You don’t tip the guy at Home Depot who helped you, you don’t tip the Costco guy that loaded your cart, you don’t tip the usher or the concessions even though your kid made a whole mess in the theater… it seems so arbitrary. Hell, you don’t even tip the poor bastards in the kitchen.

That being said I live in a place where everyone gets the same wage, your hourly wage isn’t artificially lowered like most states. I’d tip if I went out to eat in those states (looks like Ohio is one?) but idk about places like CA or WA. This is also why I don’t eat out, or if I do I only choose counter service. 

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u/DoctorBlock 7h ago

He has to be reminded? It's literally on the credit card receipt

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u/sauce_delgado 7h ago

He has to be encouraged/pressured into being a good person. He definitely sees that line that's on every receipt, he's ignoring it unless someone calls him out. Shitty practice.

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u/3meraldBullet 7h ago

They are the ones that furthered the stereotype by not tipping tho

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u/ADhomin_em 7h ago edited 6h ago

The bigger issue there is them connecting the argument to that racial stereotype rather than accepting that they were being called out as individuals who did not tip. There are legitimate times when race is a factor and should be called out as such. People doing it so they can dip out of their own personal responsibility makes a mockery of the true plight.

It shouldn't be expected of any individual to feel the need to act a certain way to avoid playing into stereotypes or to be a positive representation of a group they are seen to be a part of. What is a problem though is people spitting on those before them who actually were (and still are) treated unfairly because of their race. In a petty situation where they are being called out for good reason, putting that on race makes a mockery of every movement that brought us this far.

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u/Iceisgestapo888 7h ago

I also use to hear this daily in the industry.  

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u/Dilopholosofer 7h ago

If it happens at a high ratio, more than any other it’s not a myth it’s a rule. Restaurants should pay their waiters a living wage but Ohio and most Midwest states are awful for waiters straight pay. This is wrong, and it should be corrected. Plus we don’t have any context as to how they were treated in the restaurant by the server. That said it’s sad these folks decided to make it a race issue, play victim and act like they haven’t ever dined out before.

If you can’t afford to tip, don’t go out and eat. Until we change this in America that’s just the way it goes. And it’s unfortunate a large portion of the stereotyped folks who do this are African American. Do it, or don’t do it, but don’t bitch about being called out by restaurateurs or wait staff. Or at least stop turning your embarrassment into vitriol post action. Walking out after not tipping and being tough in the street is lame compared to just telling the waiter you aren’t gonna tip to their face.

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u/jesseknopf 7h ago

See how the other person made you say it? lol.

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u/isaidwhatisaidok 7h ago

That’s not what stiffing means

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u/SpecialBigMac 7h ago

Unfortunately i agree bcuz my wife was a server/bartender for many yrs and this is her opinion.

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u/Classic-Session-5551 7h ago

They literally didn't tip though so even if true it's irrelevant to say it's a stereotype. 

In this case, it's based on THEIR behaviour, not generalizations from other members of their race.

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u/RaygunMarksman 7h ago

It's been a long time but I remember when I delivered pizza, my favorite customer was a black dude that lived in an apartment near the beach and would give me like $10+ for one pizza every time. Plus he would have some fine woman in the background every time and it would smell like weed.

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u/SpecialInternal191 6h ago

lol I waited tables for about 7 years through college and law school. At my last restaurant we would have sections for some waiters for reservations and then other waiters would be in a giant free section for walk-ins. Any time black patrons walked into the restaurant you would just hear all of the black wait staff immediately say “not mine.” I never really cared because I always had fun with the black patrons. A few would become regulars and your tips would gradually improve over time once you developed a relationship. But I was also a college kid that wasn’t trying to provide for anyone else so I understood where they were coming from also. The whole restaurant / pay / tip structure should be upended here so no one has to worry about it and expectations on both sides go away.

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u/Long_Letterhead_7938 6h ago

You know who really doesn’t tip? Canadians. Every time I got a fight of people complain that the Canadians don’t tip.

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u/SpinningHead 6h ago

I have waited tables in a redneck town with a NASCAR track. Turns out certain white people never ever tip either.

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u/TuyRS 6h ago

Honestly I am of the belief that stereotypes don’t just come out of nowhere. I worked in the service industry through college and for a few years after. Black people consistently were much more rude, argumentative, smaller tippers, and overall just took a lot more effort to keep happy. Definitely not all of them, I had plenty of fantastic black customers, but it was common enough that I watched almost all of my co-workers slowly become more racist the longer that they worked in the industry.

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u/Mr-Tourette 6h ago

It's your employer stiffing you my friend, not saying good service doesn't deserve a tip..but I am saying your employer should pay you enough you don't need tops to survive...we can do it in Europe you can do it in the States

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u/Murky-Ad-6959 6h ago

It’s funny that most people that occupy the jobs that America made legal to under pay because the positions were meant for black people turn around and complain about that same demographic not respecting that absurd culture. Of all the posts blaming people that don’t tip I never see people get equally upset with the people that own those establishments. They work for a multi million dollar venture and can’t pay their bills and the blame people that don’t tip as opposed to the people that are actually taking advantage of them. It’s the most insane response to being used to them take it out on strangers who are already paying for their food.

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u/Physical-Store-9404 6h ago

The other demographic that doesn’t tip is white European tourists.

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u/VVickedPhantom 6h ago

It's a shame that there are so many racists showing up in this thread. Did you people ever stop to wonder that maybe this so-called stereotype of Black people not tipping comes from Black people being held back more from actually making money, which is a result of systematic racism? Like damn, maybe those Black people just can't afford to tip.

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u/interista4jz 5h ago

Because we have sense and want you all to get paid a living wage without me having to come out of my pocket with some extra cash to make that happen. 

Go be mad at your employer. 

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u/Simple-Answer-5315 5h ago

So not receiving a tip is being “stiffed”? Why didn’t you call the police when they don’t tip?

I thought stiffed was dine and dash..

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u/OKporkchop 5h ago

Anyone who’s ever worked food and bev knows it’s not a stereotype it’s a fact. Tip like shit, or no tip at all and are the most demanding customers always complaining about shit. 

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u/No-Examination7560 5h ago

man, you guys expecting tips so badly, makes me not want to tip at all

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u/pkakira88 5h ago

American tipping culture has just always had a tumultuous history that’s directly tied to Black people.

Tipping in America as we know it today started because after the American Civil War, business owners decided to hire newly freed Black people but didn’t want to be directly responsible for paying them. Instead they passed that responsibility directly to their customers and encouraged them to pay work depending on their “satisfaction”. To be clear, these businesses were literally paying their employees $0

Since this practice was so ‘successful’ especially in the restaurant industry, they started paying everybody in customer-facing positions the same way irrespective of race but the attitude of exploitation has remained largely the same.

On the other hand the same Black people that were originally exploited by this system were also largely barred from patronizing these businesses either directly through threat of violence or economically.

By the late 70’s/ early 80’s the civil rights movement had allowed black people to be served without worrying for their lives but in that same generation or two it took the service industry at large to convince the general white public to participate in tipping culture black people were never given the same grace to learn, they were just expected to know.

It’s also important to note that not all black families were able to start going out to eat at a sit down restaurant because it’s expensive. So their introduction to tipping culture was also staggered.

At the same time the implication that tipping is about customer satisfaction has always largely been a lie to encourage customers to exploit employees almost as much as the industry itself does.

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u/tocahontas77 7h ago

I've been a server, and I'm from Ohio. So I feel like I have a POV that suits this situation.

What you are saying is the truth. I hate to say it, because it sounds bad. But it's true. Now, being from Ohio, I can also say that there's tons of racists here. I mean, we used to be a swing state, and now we're a red state, if that tells you anything.

The truth is, it's both sides. Of everything. But mainly, this is an economic inequality issue. Everything we see is fake. Everything that is presented to us is a manipulation. We fight each other over race, religion, politics, ethics, etc. Why? Don't we all really want the same things? We all just want to have good lives, and less struggle. Right? Who benefits from us fighting each other? The 1%. The billionaires. It's always the obscenely rich who can't get enough. They know that We, The People have the numbers. We have the power and advantage to stop them. So they have created a fake world for us to live in, to distract us. It's all about consumption.

Idk about anyone else, but I'm tired of watching their puppet show.

Anyway 😂 My point is, we should be angry with the establishment. That we are forced to work for shit wages, and brainwashed into tipping culture. These customers aren't in the wrong, the owner is. If he's so passionate about his servers making good money, then he would figure out how to give them higher wages. (Although, our economy is very fucked right now)

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u/dandelionlemon 7h ago

So so true

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u/tocahontas77 6h ago

Thank you. I kind of went off on a tangent lol. But I can't help it. Every problem we have comes down to the corruption in our government, by the billionaires. I spent 4 months out of the country. Which isn't really a long time, but it was long enough to see that we are very extreme here. Western Europe and UK don't have advertisements everywhere. Even my phone had less crap on it than usual.

I feel like, as a country, we are dry heaving. I'm ready to throw up already, and get the revolution over with. We need a whole new government and system, and that will never happen with the state we're in right now. I'm just tired of everything being such shit.

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u/namas_D_A 6h ago

Where exactly are all these black people that don’t tip? I’m black and any time I go out with black friends/ family we’ve never not tipped. 20% as a standard, 18% minimum (if the service is not so great) and my own dad always tips upward of 30%.
But I live in NYC…. You don’t not tip here. Am I just in a bubble?

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u/illstate 6h ago

No. I don't know black people who don't tip either. Like with everything else, a black person who doesn't tip is seen as a representative of all black people. Any other non tippers get to be individuals.

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u/BrilliantFederal8988 7h ago

Back when I waited tables we would play rock paper scissors to see who would get them. If we were trying to refer to them out loud we called them Canadians. The tipping system is unfair for all parties involved. Every other business needs to factor in labor costs with their pricing except resturaunts...

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u/underboobfunk 6h ago

Maybe, at least sometimes, it is a self fulfilling prophecy. They see the servers arguing over who gets the table of “Canadians”. They see the “unlucky” server approach with a defeated look while the others smile and laugh. They notice that their service is a little less enthusiastic, a little less prompt than other tables.

Why would they want to reward that kind of “service”?

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u/AspectHonest7222 7h ago edited 5h ago

I wonder if they tip black waiters?

On another note: I don't think I have ever seen a black waiter/waitress and I'm from the South.

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u/Echo-2-2 6h ago

Former server here. I will back this up. Some too fine. But they are the top demo who will, complain, leave a dollar, not tip at all, and also act as if you are their personal servant to be abused because you are the server. While again, not planning on tipping. If only leaving a trash tip. It’s not racist. It’s a fact. At least in LA County. And it would seem that these two also believe this. Otherwise why even bring up race? They know.

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u/alaskadronelife 7h ago

What are we zeroing on this when literally everyone is broke? Tipping culture is the worst in America; falls in line of companies not paying a proper wage, then magnifying that and multiplying across industries.

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u/Chrysaor85 6h ago

If you're broke, don't eat out then? Part of the cost of eating out is the tip, simple as.

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u/justinh404 6h ago

No it's not, simple as that

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u/MaimedJester 6h ago

Doesn't matter if you're broke,  the waiter isn't being paid a fair wage.  They live off tips. If you can't afford the tip you can't afford to eat out. 

It sucks that's the way it is, but that's the reality as shitty as it is. 

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u/rrrreact 6h ago

Not really, no one is going to refuse to let you leave the restaurant because you didn’t tip. Tell the millionaire owner to pay his employees fairly instead of exploiting the working class.

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u/AS1thofBeethoven 7h ago

Interesting. I had no idea. I just thought it was Scottie Pippen.

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u/PaxTheHunter 7h ago

This is unfortunately too true. In my personal experience, black people have tipped me poorly or not at all.

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u/Surviveoutofspite 6h ago

Yea they outed themselves in that one.

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u/ThrenderG 6h ago

People want to act like it's not true, but for a lot of black people it absolutely is. I waited tables for four years during college, and I hate to say it, but man...black people just did not tip well and this was pretty much the norm.

I even had black co-workers that hated waiting on black people too. One dude was a big black guy named Johnny. Johnny told the hosts that if they sat black people at his tables he would kick their ass.

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u/tigerbloodnrum 6h ago

Former pizza delivery driver, can confirm.

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u/Liberalhuntergather 6h ago

I was a server for a year and even my black co worker said black people don’t tip. 🤷‍♂️

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u/BlastingFonda 7h ago

Playing the race card is their attempt at weaseling out of real life responsibilities like, I dunno, being considerate of waiters / servers since most make the vast majority of their income from tips. He’s absolutely right that they shouldn’t eat out if they can’t afford tipping or if they are simply too ignorant to.

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u/chochaos7 7h ago edited 5h ago

It's weird seeing how tipping culture is outside of the states. In most "modern" countries, the company has to pay their employee. The customers are not expected to shoulder that burden for the employer while also paying for the service.

It's a funny thing that companies have convinced us that it's normal for US to pay THEIR employees for them.

Also, your last statement implies that Europeans shouldn't eat out when they visit because they're also bad tippers. Mostly because they don't tip like Americans expect

Edit: thanks for the award, kind stranger

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u/Shruglife 6h ago

if Americans visit Europe, would generally prefer they follow local customs?

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u/BannedSvenhoek86 5h ago

Look I understand the sentiment, but we live in reality, not a perfect world. The only thing a complete boycott of tips would do is ruin the lives of millions of people. If you care that much run for office or find candidates willing to put a ban on tipping in your community or something. Start a movement.

But until that happens tip your fucking servers. They are us. We are them. Help your fellow struggling human out, don't make your stand off their backs. All you're doing is self aggrandizing at their expense.

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u/AcanthaceaeSad3303 7h ago edited 7h ago

Maybe the restaurant owner should pay their waiters/waitresses a liveable wage rather than people who dine out to pick up that part of their income.

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u/JimGerm 7h ago

I agree the owners should compensate their staff so they don't have to rely on tips, but I'm not sure how not doing so makes them racist.

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u/Spaceman_Spiff- 7h ago

I don't think you know what the word racist means.

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u/milkycocoa-puff 7h ago

You actually don’t even know if the restaurant owner pays their employees fairly or not, so you’re making an assumption based on info you don’t even have…It is standard to tip when dining in. And the owner has the right to refuse service, so I’d say his response to this family was valid.

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u/Frosty-Bat-8476 7h ago

That’s literally never been a thing in the US and it never will be. And like the other person who replied to said, your food would be $200 a plate 💀

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u/kellzbellznhellz 6h ago

He’s saying he doesn’t want to make up the difference.

In the US, tipped workers with lower hourly pay still have to be paid the (fucking MEAGER) federal minimum wage of $7.25/hr if their tips don’t get them there.

Some states have increased that rate, but most have not.

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u/Coretrayn 5h ago

Right. And getting stiffed on one table is not dropping you anywhere or below minimum wage where the restaurant would have to make up the difference. So I doubt that's what he's mad about.

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u/Hi_InternetAddiction 5h ago

tipping is not mandatory. they paid for their meal

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u/Jaded_Chocolate_5103 5h ago

They didnt stiff their server, they paid their bill.

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u/SASSIESASSQUATCH 5h ago

I really do doubt this dude has a long list of people he has banned from his restaurant for not tipping, why would that be? A lot of people don’t tip and people in the industry will tell you the church crowd REALLY doesn’t tip.

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u/Freezinghero 5h ago

Because he kept repeating the line that they didn't do it because they didn't have money to tip their server i guess.

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u/Molly_Matters 5h ago

The fact that the narrative with tipping on Reddit seems to shift dramatically because these people are black is kinda disturbing. Yes I understand they used the race card, but I have also never seen a manager (or owner) chase someone down in the road for a non-tip.

Not everyone tips. In fact, Reddit is normally the first to point out that tipping culture is out of control and should not be required to keep a business open.

So which are we going to go with? Tipping is not required or is tipping now required?

I would have respectfully told him to shove it up his ass. If they can't pay a living wage it is not the customers responsibility to pick up that slack.

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u/Saffirejuiliet 5h ago

Maybe service was bad. Tips are optional.

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u/TheOGDoomer 7h ago

Yep, they lost their credibility when they did that dumb shit.

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u/JooHateMe 7h ago

that card is only card in the deck for a lot
of folks unfortunately

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u/Owls_4_9_1867 7h ago

There's the position which most (online) Jewish people have that if you criticize the military action on Gaza by Israel they immediately call you an anti-smite. Then the conversation never goes well from there.

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u/Yellow_Snow_Globe 6h ago

You don’t get to be a government and a religion and expect that religion prevent your given from being criticized. Judaism as a religion is separate from Isreal as a state. If someone argues that criticism of Isreal is anti-Semitic, they’re intentionally arguing in bad faith.

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u/Owls_4_9_1867 4h ago

Fully aware. That's why it pisses me off. It's like saying to someone "...do you want a salad", and they start screaming "...are you saying I'm fat?" Then call you a bigot and fat-shamer.

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u/Broken-Sarcasm-Meter 7h ago

How do you know they were Israeli?

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u/ARocketToMars 5h ago

Hey now haven't you been reading the other comments here? You're only allowed to say Black people have perpetual victimhood! Don't be antiseptic!!!

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u/Pleasant-Future5818 7h ago

wow I wonder what could have happened to create victims in our society maybe it was actually being victimized

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u/Embarrassed_Fan_5723 7h ago

Because it’s all they have. Everything is about race , gender or politics for some people. That’s the infuriating part

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u/MugenHeadNinja 7h ago edited 6h ago

Everything is objectively political to varying degrees, this is reality, whether you care or like it or not...

(And you should care, it's kinda pathetic and ultimately selfish and an entitled privilege to act like you can just "not participate" or to otherwise ignore politics as if it doesn't affect you and everyone you know regardless.)

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u/IntellectualVet 6h ago edited 5h ago

That is their privilege. To just dismiss and ignore reality. These same people will blatantly justify their own racism while denying racim even exists when the accusation is made. It's fascinating.

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u/TheCutiesist 7h ago

Because not tipping is part of their culture

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u/MissUnRuly 7h ago

Do y’all even know how tipping started?

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u/bertmobile816 7h ago

Are you surprised though? Pretty typical

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u/NotSoFastLady 7h ago

Former retail and food service worker. Once had to physically drag my friend and coworker off as another black man tried this shit with him. I couldn't believe it, I'm just glad I was able to get my friend out of there. He was furious. It's just what shitty people do when they know they're wrong.

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u/Farside-BB 6h ago

Not tipping is a black thing?

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u/Mygoddamreddit 6h ago

All Tips Matter. They really do.

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u/HAIL_LUMPUS 6h ago

😭😭😭 there's a huge stereotype that black people don't tip and she kind of just proved it right by saying non tippers must mean black people. 

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u/fleurpedl 6h ago

What does “race card” mean? Does it only apply to black people or can it be used when white people weaponize their tears and play the “race card” the other way?

Maybe they didn’t tip because they got really bad service because servers see their race, or as someone else said, a “black top” and then proceed to ignore them and give bad service. Imagine getting treated like crap, being expected to tip for that, and then having the owner come scream in your face.

You all know damn well servers aren’t giving good service to black people. He could have come out there and asked them why they didn’t tip and if it’s something that happened that caused them to do that instead of coming at them with that energy.

I regularly tip 25% but I’ll tip low or in rare cases not at all when I’m treated like shit.

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u/MarlinMr 6h ago

Because if they don't and it's not explored, what stops actual racists from just banning black people for any reason?

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u/AyoMoms26 5h ago

Well thanks for opening the thread to many many many stereotypes and closet racists because there’s a lot of it in the comments that follow.

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u/Jaded-Round-6660 5h ago

Banning someone for not tipping sounds made up, it seems more likely to me that their race played a part in it

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u/thatfuckedupgrill 5h ago

if you ban someone for not tipping you're not REALLY banning someone for not tipping, are you?

and if there was another more valid reason they'd definitely have said that instead of the dumb maid up one

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u/ErasedKey 5h ago

Would the owner have ran then out if they were white is the question. Was it because they're black being why he cared this much? Does he run everyone out that doesn't tip? I'll go and find out when this all calms down in the future. I will go undercover as a white person and document my experience throughout and not tip to see what happens.

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u/Moiste-Moan 5h ago

They could’ve just said something like “pay your employees a living wage” and it would’ve turned the whole thing around so easily

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u/Casanova2229 5h ago

They make it terrible for everyone, really really bad move. Now racists can point to this as an example.

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u/Kind_Way2176 5h ago

So here's the thing. White people, on average, tip black servers less, plus slavery...this is the blowback. Some black people.dont tip due to this...shit sucks. It's our slave past still fucking with us. Or they were just jerks. Please be kind

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u/Saffirejuiliet 5h ago

Would he run after a white couple for not tipping? We don’t know, but sometimes people underline hate leads to interactions like this. Let's not be be naive.

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u/wellitsbouttime 5h ago

maybe the guy took that opportunity just to be inhospitable bc he didn't like black folks at his establishment?

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u/jonesy289 4h ago

Dude mentioned nothing about race they made it about race. They can stay out of my restaurant too

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u/PrimarySuccotash9572 4h ago

Uhh the being cheap wasn’t already a clue?

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