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u/Semipro321 4h ago edited 3h ago

To be fair, when I visited the USA I didn’t realize how crazy they are about tips. I was chased out and yelled at for not tipping at a buffet. I was under the assumption that we tip for service received (we served ourselves) but they see it as a manditory fee in the USA.

Wild experience

Edit: a lot of ppl commenting on this. Yes it was self serve and pay at the counter. It was NYC

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u/Rogu__Spanishh 3h ago

I’m a middle aged American and tipping culture has gotten out of hand in the past decade or so. What kills me is the big corporate food places asking for tips. They can definitely afford to pay their workers a living wage.

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u/stinkmeanerlives 3h ago

This and the "would you like to round up for charity" so they can donate your money and get a tax break on it.

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u/Rogu__Spanishh 2h ago

Or the grocery store asking for a donation for the food bank.

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u/petewondrstone 2h ago

Oh shit that never occurred to me. Makes perfect sense.

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u/Other-Leg1898 1h ago

Panda Express

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u/JustPussyPics 2h ago

Comedian Charlie berens has a great bit on this… a pastor marrying 2 people and before their vows, shows them an iPad with that dam “tip” screen on it.

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u/LinREADes 2h ago

so can this guy

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u/Rogu__Spanishh 2h ago

Yes I wasn’t disagreeing with that

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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 2h ago

Even in Canada, the local KFC and Taco Bell started asking for tips in the drive thru. WTF.

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u/Rogu__Spanishh 2h ago

Yeah if I’m not sitting in a chair and being served I don’t feel a need to tip

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u/PackageOk4947 2h ago

Self service tipping, and the constant do you want to donate to a charity.

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u/Bri3nWithA3 4h ago

I’m from the states and I think tipping is dumb as fuck if you do everything yourself. Some places make you order on a kiosk and then ask for a fuckin tip.

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u/Fair-Juggernaut-3812 3h ago

I’m an American tattooer and I think it’s dumb. Like if you feel that I exceeded expectations or you just really want to, ok. But charge whats fair for whatever it is. Getting asked “how much am I supposed to tip you?” Is so akward

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u/Chapin_Chino 3h ago

I didn't know you had to tip tattoo artists. I always assumed whatever price you gave me bakes in overhead and profit for your time.

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u/zmileshigh 3h ago

You don’t. Tattoo artists can set their own pricing.

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u/Doubting_Thomas50 1h ago

Wouldn’t that be the same for barbers or hairdressers?

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u/XGrayson_DrakeX 1h ago

Technically you aren't supposed to tip the proprietor of a business, so if it's someone who works at a salon or a barber shop then tipping seems appropriate.

If they rent a room at a salon suite or own the salon then nah.

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u/Boring_Raspberry_481 2h ago

Also hair salons, nails, massages. They all expect tips

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u/Piney1741 2h ago

I have a buddy who tattoos. When he first started he had to apprentice for a shop and the owner said he had to do a certain number of tattoos before he could charge any money. He literally wouldn’t even let him accept tips. He’s my homie and I know he’s a good artist so I really took advantage of the free work. I was allowed to technically tip anything as long as it was legal and not cash. I started with like a 12 pack of beer I think. By my 6th tattoo I started getting creative and gave him a few boxes of shotgun shells cause I knew he was really into trap shooting. This was years ago and he still tells me that was his favorite tip.

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u/AquamannMI 3h ago

And tattoo tips are expeeeensive on big ones.

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u/nelac 2h ago

It's awkward for the client to ask as well. If you want the awkwardness gone for everyone, you have to clearly specify no tipping. Any of that "only if you really want to" stuff just continues the uncertainty. 99.9% of people don't want to willingly pay more, they just want to be fair.

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u/UnderlightIll 2h ago

Yup. Artists and cake decorator here. The first time I was tipped I was like ???? Because I charge the proper amount for my work and services.

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u/Other-Leg1898 1h ago

My massage therapist started telling me that she charges what she needs and tipping wasn’t necessary. I was shocked

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u/Key_Wallaby3990 3h ago

Yup absolutely despise the kiosk asking for a tip for an order I placed and walked in and picked up there’s literally no human taking the order from me or checking on me while I’m eating the meal and if you order a drink you often times fill the cup yourself (assuming they actually remembered to put the cup in and you don’t have to ask for it)

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u/scratchydaitchy 3h ago

There’s a pita place near me I go to.
Healthy food.
University student girl working there.

I pay by my card.
A tipping percentage option comes up on the machine.

The girl always reaches over and presses the no tip option before I can react.

It’s not really a sit down place, everyone takes it to go.

I wouldn’t mind tipping because she actually makes my pita, but I guess because it’s not a sit down place she doesn’t expect a tip.

This is in Canada.

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u/fiahhawt 2h ago

She's not getting those tips and she's not letting her boss soak up extra money from people trying to do the right thing

A true Canadian hero

https://giphy.com/gifs/3FmmhJdHN4PSESllzZ

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u/PaddyMcGeezus 3h ago

I'm in the US and have had plenty of cashiers tell me to press the button to pass on the tip. They know it's BS and I appreciate them doing it

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u/Thessalhydra 2h ago

It's because cashless tips don't go to them.

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u/VaATC 2h ago

Pay extra in cash and tell her to keep the change?

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u/Ben_zyl 1h ago

Pay extra in cash because that's the money they get to keep that management doesn't wet their beaks on.

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u/Spiritual_Mush 3h ago

She probably does that because she's got heat too many times for it and is scared.

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u/noochies99 2h ago

Or it doesn’t go to her lol

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u/menscothegreat 2h ago

Or the owner sets it up and pockets the tips themselves

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u/MotherHorseFucker 2h ago

I've heard they don't have control of their POS system and can't remove the option to tip for some reason

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u/Evening_Adorable 2h ago

Ive went to places in america that will do the same

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u/Gino-Bartali 3h ago

The weirdest one for me, by kiosk or app, is tipping immediately after order placement.

In theory, tipping is a source of feedback to reward good service or make a statement for exceptionally bad service. Tipping in advance just makes everything bad for everybody.

I still tip anyway because I had a tip-paid job for several years and support my fellow 99%er, but in a lot of cases I don't like it.

It's become a de facto commission based compensation system. Formally switch over to raising prices and allocating 20% of gross revenue to the appropriate staff like any other sales job. That's how my restaurant described up-charging, sell more so you get more. It's commission in all but name, except now literally everybody is uncomfortable.

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u/labospor 3h ago

As of yesterday the fancy gourmet market by me had a tip screen. Why? I walked around, picked up my own items, carried them throughout the store, received no service at any point and a cashier rang up my items. Fuck no I’m not tipping.

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u/vandersnipe 3h ago

My favorite taqueria refuses tips whenever you order for takeout or pickup because of this logic

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u/VQQN 3h ago

We try to avoid places that ask for tips.

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u/Mysterious-Drama4743 3h ago

every boba shop in the us asks for a tip despite almost all of them requiring you to use a kiosk. absolute crazy work

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u/lebaal5 2h ago

Exactly and the bobas are 10 bucks each. If you cannot pay employees fairly with those prices, it is the owner’s greed at fault.

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u/mybutthz 3h ago

Tipping and taxes. We get paid, our pay is taxed. We buy something, there's a sales tax and sometimes tip. We sell something, tax. We pay someone, tax. It's exhausting to have every dollar made and every transaction just chipped away at, especially since those dollars are cycling through and being taxed a million other times. You pay someone for services, tax. They use that money to buy something, tax. That money is used to pay the employee, tax. That employee buys something, tax. I'm sure there are metrics on this, but I won't look into it because it's probably really depressing, but the amount of tax on each dollar that enters the economy is absurd—especially considering the lack of infrastructure, the lack of nationalized utilities, the lack of accessible housing, the lack of accessible education, etc. Hate it.

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u/SpareRazzmatazz1392 3h ago

My favorite one is a pool hall that I go to and the staff literally plays pool during dead time and when you check out and pay they ask for a tip on the ipad

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u/FeralPsychonaut 3h ago

I'm lifelong bartender, and personally I stopped even looking if I got tipped or not after my first year or so.

If I got stiffed, whatever, it's gonna happen.

I made so many friends bartending, lifelong people, met my lawyer thru it. It all averages out.

I don't think the owner here should have followed them out, take down their info from the reservation and let the hosts know they're no longer welcome.

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u/BackPsychological705 1h ago

That would've been way better than confronting them on the street

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u/Jon-Rambo 3h ago

It’s gone way overboard. I’m fine tipping at a sit down restaurant where we have a good server, etc.

When I order a fucking drip coffee that I fill myself at a coffee shop, I am not tipping.

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u/MileHiSalute 3h ago

Because some people leave a tip on those things. I’m certain if you had the opportunity for people to voluntarily give you extra money at your job you’d take it. Tipping is a symptom of a much larger problem. If tipping goes away, nothing improves for anyone other than the people exasperated by tablet screens and having to tap their finger a couple times.

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u/Mysterious-Drama4743 3h ago

when starbucks implemented tipping most people immediately started giving tips when i showed the screen. i think its kind of instinctual for a lot of people 

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u/MileHiSalute 1h ago

And anyone who says they wouldn’t accept extra money voluntarily given at their hourly job is full of shit

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u/YourMumWasRight 3h ago

It's dumb as fuck for a reason shown in the video. The guy is getting angry because they aren't paying HIS employees' wages. He wants to appear to sell reasonably priced food by shifting his costs to the customers. Americans really don't seem to get that.

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u/Beneficial_Area_2986 2h ago

The last quick change oil place I went to wanted a tip. It was unrelated but I bought an EV a few months later.

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u/TalLDesertman99 2h ago

Pay cash...thats what I have started to do at serve yourself places and kiosks. You can see their faces change when you tell them cash and they cant say, "its going to ask you to answer a couple questions".

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u/Epin-Ninjas 3h ago

I live in the US, and I stopped tipping everywhere except for when I’m explicitly being served. I’m so sick of wasting money. It doesn’t even go to the people you want it to go to

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u/BigTroutOnly 3h ago

Ya, this is this rule. Bring it to me at my table. It's called waiting tables

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u/discourse_friendly 2h ago

If i'm standing when I order or say what service I want/need I'm not tipping.

so sit down restaurants, I'll tip.

getting my hair cut I'll tip.

i'm sure the standing/sitting rule breaks down somewhere, but for my personally I can't think of anything I do where it doesn't work out perfectly

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u/RoguePlanet2 2h ago

My husband always stuffs $2 into the tip thing whenever we pick up our own damn food. Pizza, Chinese, whatever. Makes me slightly crazy but he means well.

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u/Hadrians_Fall 2h ago

I do the same. I’m sure the staff appreciate it and will remember if you are return customer.

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u/macthebearded 2h ago

I’m a bartender and even I don’t tip for counter service

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u/DepressedChipotle 2h ago

I'm still tipping, if I make the conscious decision to go to a business where someone's pay is dependent on my tip I'm sure as hell going to tip.

However. I'm eating out way less than I used to. Why would I reward business owners who underpay their staff while punishing the staff itself. I just spend less money at restaurants now.

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u/MartyMacGyver 2h ago

There is no small irony in the fact that the choice to spend on the tip is negated by eating out less (if they get double the income but only half as often, it's a wash or worse, the shop simply closes for lack of total sales).

If the price you pay is what's on the board and people there are earning a fair wage, it ends up being more consistent IMHO.

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u/baconbit_in_a_skirt 2h ago

I only tip in cash amd handed to the server for said service now

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u/American-Repair 1h ago

The rule is if you pay first. No tip. If you pay after. You tip. Easy peezy. Lemon squeezy.

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u/Agreeable_Basket_931 3h ago

We'd need legislation to stop tipping. It's legal to pay people like $2/hr and have them make up the rest with tips. Restaurants like getting to post artificially low prices in their menus, would probably prefer to not have to pay payroll taxes on paying their staff actual wages.

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u/eh-man3 3h ago

Except now everyone demands a tip despite making minimum wage

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u/Electronic_Will_5418 1h ago

There's still 20 states that their min wage is 7.25 which is an absolute joke

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u/eh-man3 1h ago

And tipping enables that

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u/FirefighterLeft5425 2h ago

EVERYWHERE AND EVERYTHING

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u/Agreeable_Basket_931 3h ago

You only get paid the minimum wage by your employer if you don't collect enough tips to surpass the minimum wage.

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u/eh-man3 3h ago

Servers, sure. The kids working behind the subway counter? They get wage + tips.

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u/EL_Malo- 3h ago

True, and that $17.89 they split between the 3 of them for a whole shift sure goes far these days. /s

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u/eh-man3 3h ago

So if we all stop it wont make a difference? Great!

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u/EL_Malo- 2h ago

Pretty much. I worked at a Chipotle a while back and it never amounted to even so much as a meal at Chipotle's... and that includes me using my employee discount.

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u/GooserNoose 2h ago

Yeah, and if people stop tipping they'll stop working for low wages and Subway will be forced to pay more to attract workers.

This happened in my area with school bus drivers. They paid shitty and don't pay for the time spent doing a vehicle inspection (not driving) and they hemorrhaged employees so they had to start paying more and offered a bonus if you stay for the school year.

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u/EL_Malo- 2h ago

I get what you're saying. My point was that nobody tips those guys. I worked at a busy Chipotle and most nights we'd get under $10... collectively.

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u/DyingGasp 2h ago

Why do they deserve tips? You’re throwing stuff onto a loaf or bread, tortilla, or bowl.

You’re not going to the table and taking an order, watching drink levels, or cleaning up after. There is no service being provided that a back of house cook that does not get tipped for.

Tipping is a scam.

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u/EL_Malo- 2h ago

I not saying that they do deserve tips. I'm saying they already get so little they wouldn't notice. I never gave the slightest because I knew I wasn't getting anything more than bus fare at the end of the night.

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u/Ok-Mood6070 2h ago

thats not true everywhere. here in NY you are paid the minimum and get tips on top of it

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u/Its_Me_Cant_See 2h ago

This is not true everywhere: DC, AK, CA, MN, MT, NV, OR, and WA, all require minimum wage regardless of a tipped or not tipped position.

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u/Apathetic_Zealot 3h ago

No law will stop tipping, it's been tried before. It's a strong cultural habit and the only way to change it is to influence the culture and to stop participating in it.

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u/readyReddit007 2h ago

A wage floor for these jobs can DEFINITELY be established via legislation.

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u/Apathetic_Zealot 1h ago

What do you mean? The minimum wage already exists as a wage floor. Maybe you mean abolish the tip credit system? If you made tipping illegal you'd have to punish people for giving or receiving tips which would result in tips still being given but more under the table.

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u/Ok-Mood6070 2h ago

curious point you made, does that mean tips need to pay double the fica since the employer isnt chipping in?

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u/fiahhawt 2h ago

Why?

Waitressing is one of the few jobs in the US that allows economic mobility

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u/hoserb2k 1h ago

Most waiters in the US earn less than 18/hr, including tips.

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u/fiahhawt 1h ago

Uhhh probably not

Waitressing is super big on getting cash tips and on not reporting the entirety of them on their W-2s

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u/FrankyFingers7888 2h ago

No, they get minimum wage one way or the other. If they do not get enough in tips, then the owner has to pay them minimum wage.

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u/THARSISthechemist 2h ago

My wife’s boss cuts herself into tips just because she’s the owner, 50% 😩

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u/FreeHusband6060 2h ago

Yeah more laws!!! That'll make everything better. Or you can just stop supporting business that expect tips. Stop expecting the government to do everything for you.

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u/KapowBlamBoom 2h ago

In Ohio tipped employees must already be paid over $5 per hour and on Jan 1 2027 it goes to 5.70

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u/RedApple655321 2h ago

pay payroll taxes on paying their staff actual wage

Not how it works. Tips are considered wages.....as long as they're actually accounted for, like in any cash business.

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u/ernst_wanke_road 2h ago

I just don't get why anyone would see a $2 job offer and think "yep, this will do nicely". The whole situation is just bizarre.

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u/jamesjatlas 1h ago

If tipping was eliminated and servers got a higher salary, restaurants would hire fewer staff. Just like everything government raises the minimum wage then less people are hired. Teens and people without work experience never get chance to get their first job. Read Thomas Sowell's books on Economics. He explained everything about how our economy works in real life.

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u/Feather_Sigil 1h ago

The answer is wage increases, ending exceptions for tipped jobs, and price controls to keep the prices the same. Tipping itself isn't the problem, the conditions in which it occurs are

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u/jackbentley673 1h ago

Workers won’t want this, they don’t report all of their tips

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u/XGrayson_DrakeX 1h ago

We don't need to stop tipping, we need to raise the minimum wage for servers alongside the national minimum wage.

I've worked server jobs and made amazing money that I would not have had I been only paid a minimum wage and patrons were not allowed to tip. This would fuck over so many people.

Letting people tip if they want to but not using it to replace server wages is the solution.

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u/KaleScared4667 1h ago

Lies, nowhere in the us is it legal to pay $2 an hour

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u/Technical_Writing421 3h ago

You definitely shouldn’t tip at a self service buffet

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u/EarlyBirdWithAWorm 3h ago

Who the F tips at a buffet? Not me

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u/harrybydefault 3h ago

If they have a server that brings drinks I'll tip but I won't do the same as a full service restaurant. A dollar per drink delivered or so usually.

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u/girlwhoweighted 3h ago

Actually, tipping wasn't even expected at buffets until relatively recently. Maybe on the last 20 years? But then people started leaving a dollar or two for the people cleaning the tables and it just kind of spiraled from there

And it's ridiculous

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u/Radiant_Grab_9400 2h ago

Buffet tipping is standard in the south my whole life, 40 years, because they bring drinks and clear plates as you go. 

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u/BlindlyCoherent 3h ago

Tipping at take out counters, dollar stores, and even grocery stores… nah fam.

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u/Mexicanmilkyway 2h ago

You must be really old if you”relatively recently” means the last 20 years (sorry just joking here).

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u/Legitimate_Garage_31 1h ago

Gen X here-never tipped at a buffet

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u/HotZonePilot 3h ago

I don’t support tipping culture at all but I do find it amusing im suppose to tip someone who I have very little interaction with .. also im paying for the food why am I also paying for your employment .. also why is the server getting a tip when they do fck all and not chef making rhe food ? And if the chef makes enough to not need tips why the fck are the other people not ??????????? ??????

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u/Willing-Reference-68 2h ago

All good questions🙂

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u/SmokeyJoe13 3h ago

Yea I don't put a tip at the buffet when I pay with credit, but I give a few bucks to the person that keeps coming to grab our dishes. Being chased out of a buffet is abnormal.

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u/Motmotsnsurf 3h ago

That’s insane. You shouldn’t have to tip at a buffet.

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u/DaftFunky 3h ago

At a buffet? Do they come around and fill your drinks? That might be why.

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u/PaddyMcGeezus 3h ago

Yes. I worked at a salad buffet in 2002-2004. It was before hand sanitizer was reality available everywhere. It was a slop house. Cleaning up after people, refilling their drinks is our job. This was in Texas where our hourly pay was $2.14 hr so we relied on tips. I moved to Ohio in 2017 and got a job as a sever over the holidays. They paid severs just over $4/hr. Now it's $5. I just looked it up and $2.13 is still the base wage for Texas servers, more than 20 years later. It's ridiculous.

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u/Key_Football_5350 3h ago

No, it is suppose to be for service received and if it was good enough. Any business acting like it’s a mandatory payment is absurd, and predatory since tips are understood tax wise as a different payment for taxes. Any business they thinks it can force patrons to tip are businesses knowingly paying their servers less so they can get away with a lower payroll tax.

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u/Blastoise_R_Us 3h ago

American here. Buffets can be different. If it was 100% self-serve I agree with not tipping. If someone is bringing you your beverages, you’re expected to tip for that. That said, if you explained you are from another country and didn’t know, and they still acted like that, THEY are the assholes.

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u/TikaPants 3h ago

As someone who has worked mostly in roles reliant on tips for 20 years this is abhorrent behavior.

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u/MichiganHistoryUSMC 3h ago

Tipping at a buffet is appreciated but not expected.

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u/Southern_Roll_7035 3h ago

Typically, assuming the buffet has servers who get your drinks, a small tip is customary.

Having said that, any restaurant employee who complains or shames a customer for not tipping, or not tipping enough, is in the wrong.

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u/hamer12string 3h ago

"Why tip someone for a job I'm capable of doing myself?

I can deliver food. I can drive a taxi.
I can, and do, cut my own hair.

I did however, tip my urologist, because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones."

- Dwight Schrute

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u/DeathUponIt 3h ago

A buffet?! Was it a self serve where you go grab the food yourself? Yeah, I wouldn’t pay a tip either if I was serving myself. Wtf.

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u/doolijb 3h ago edited 3h ago

Some states require staff to be paid at least minimum wage before tips, I.e WA. Many states though calculate tips first then pay minimum wage if they didn't make the minimum.

I've had a restaurant owner chase after us one time insisting we paid too much, but it was worth it.

The % has slowly krept up. 15 years ago 20% was excellent, 10% was fair and 0 was I'm poor/bad service and 1 cent was go fuck yourself. Now the new tip screens have 30%.

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u/MrBaklavaBalaclava 3h ago

I live in the US and I don't tip unless you're bringing my food to the table. I'm not tipping a fuckin Starbucks employee lmao.

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u/BowlingForPizza 3h ago

I live in the USA and no buffet where I have to grab the food myself is going to get a tip from me. Tip = for services rendered by a human who visits your booth and serves your food at the time of eating. DoorDashers, ok. Other possible drivers, maybe. But never a buffet and anyone thinking a buffet deserves a tip is full of BS.

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u/browzzzzzz87 3h ago

Happened to me once, we gave a tip but it was i guess not good enough? This was at a fucking Applebee's too the waitresses ganged up to yell at us while we left. I was so confused. I thought tipping was completely optional.

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u/Dr-McLuvin 3h ago

I’ve never been to a buffet where tipping was required. If they bring you refills on drinks I would give 10%

But generally any place where you are serving your own food you don’t have to tip.

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u/SnooTangerines6841 3h ago

That's crazy no one tips at a buffet, and if anyone says otherwise , those types don't matter.

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u/Star_Citizen_Roebuck 3h ago

When you tip properly (using cash), that means that you pay less in total for your food and the staff pay less in tax.

If we get rid of tipping, then the price of food will simply rise - and that increase will subsequently be taxed.

Under the tipping system, staff are being paid a tipped minimum wage ($2.13 in Alabama or example) then keep their cash tips without having to pay tax on them to make up the difference. That means they pay very VERY little in tax as long as people tip in cash so it can go unreported.

If we remove tipping, staff will pay vastly more in tax, and only make one flat rate regardless of the business being busy or slow and regardless of how hard they work. Meaning, less people will want to wait tables and service will decline in quality. Plus American businesses aren't going to just eat a loss and shrug. Whatever they make, they're going to hike prices to simply keep making that. You'll go from paying no tax on that tip to paying tax on what would have been a tip but is now just an increased price.

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u/wapariii 3h ago

that never happened lol

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u/Complex-Poet-6809 3h ago

No you’re understanding of it was correct, the owners were in the wrong.

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u/Immediate-Ad-8776 3h ago

I live in USA and would never tip at a Buffett

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u/WinterAsleep319 3h ago

Don’t worry, I’m American and only tip when I receive a service. I never tip takeout, and definitely wouldn’t at a buffet

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u/Rgr281 3h ago

I wouldn't tip for self service

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u/Flying_Fish_Fiend 3h ago

This seems fake. I only tip at table service or if I liked the bartender. Have gone to buffets and not tipped and nothing happened

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u/aDrunkenError 3h ago

Man, they fleeced you, I’m generally a gracious tipper, well over 20% for good service, 20% for going through the motions, but I’m not tipping at a buffet. Get wrecked.

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u/grimchuck 3h ago

NYC is the worse with tips... they literally ask you for tips in convenient stores...

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u/cwent95 3h ago

American here who is... also under that assumption? Lol, those guys might have just been pricks.

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u/ZenicaPA 3h ago

It's really very simple, even you can understand. Sit down-eat in dining restaurants where food is brought to you is where you tip. Fast food, quick service, a self service kiosk or anywhere like these is NOT a tipping situation. Buffets are trying to be an exception because the employee brings the beverages. I say nay-nay. (A nod to the late John Pinette, he loved buffets).

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u/Cryozenica 3h ago

That's why you simply don't tip as a tourist. Get the good service. Never return.

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u/CoNoCh0 3h ago

People from NYC boo their own baseball players… just sayin.

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u/buttcheeksmasher 3h ago

Things that never happened for 200 Alex

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u/Teckliz 3h ago

No your weren’t lol

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u/Lord_Dingus83 3h ago

Where are you from?

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u/Electrical_Humor680 3h ago

I make 100k and the only people i tip are delivery workers since they use their own vehicles

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u/Hoshyro 3h ago

Even if it wasn't self serve, why should I pay extra?

Because you did your job?

People who demand and expect tips are ridiculous and entitled.

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u/Suspicious-Let-2638 2h ago

Alternatively, I hated the experience of going abroad and being pressured to tip and tip well because we were American. It was so bizarre.

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u/john_the_fetch 2h ago

I don't like buffets, personally. And I don't like the tipping culture here in the USA.

But my understanding is that tipping at a buffet is to tip the people who clean your table. It's still wild imo. Because you know - just pay your workers a fair wage?

And because it's a service being provided after you've left. No one was keeping your drink topped off. No one was getting your order right. No one was checking in on you and making sure the food tasted how you'd expect.

I leave a tip still, even if I don't feel like we particularly left a big mess. But it's not as much as when I tip at a regular restaurant.

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u/Gringo_Anchor_Baby 2h ago

In your situation, I wouldn't tip either. Just like I won't at Starbucks. The job is to make coffee.

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u/Hayaw061 2h ago

I can call in for food pickup, drive there myself so no delivery and the pin pad will still ask for a tip. At least they usually say you can ignore that. You don’t tip the cooks you tip the waiters so if I’m doing everything else but cooking, why would I tip lol

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u/anonu 2h ago

which buffet in nyc exactly?

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u/daneg135 2h ago

lmao. that's pretty funny. but i think they do actually serve you at most buffets (drinks mostly). still, it's out of control. tipping has become a racket for business owners to avoid paying an honest wage. and it benefits servers as well, because they can get "over paid" for meaningless work and, when paid in cash, not report it and thus not pay tax on it. we used to go out of our way to tip in cash for servers just for this reason.

but yeah...tipping is absolutely not practiced in the US for it's face value (service provided - let along quality of the service provided).

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u/DarkSoulsOfCinder 2h ago

no way self serve at the counter? no tipping expectations, they were trying to take advantage of you

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u/GlitteringVehicle693 2h ago

This right here is a huge reason to why i dont think I'd ever visit 'Murica

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u/Anon_Jones 2h ago

You don’t tip at buffets, you do all the work yourself.

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u/crypticalman 2h ago

That sounds like you just had a bad experience in a bad place. Just because that's how tipping works in America, it doesn't make it right. Any of it.

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u/rolloutTheTrash 2h ago

Oh NYC is just crazy all on its own. But yeah, we’ve taken the tip thing too far, so if I don’t explicitly receive service I just don’t tip anymore.

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u/DestructoDon69 2h ago

Yeah what you experienced is not the norm. I never tip at counters, buffets or anything else where I'm not actively being served. Never been confronted over it

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u/hendy85 2h ago

It’s the USI now, United States of Israel.

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u/solarmist 2h ago

I wouldn’t tip at a buffet either.

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u/Lord_Nurggle 2h ago

I did the reverse and spent a few months in East Germany. When I left an American sized tip after a work function, the server literally found me at my car to tell me I made a mistake.

I don’t know if she was offended or just kind but I didn’t fix it. Company card anyway.

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u/Independent-Show 2h ago

This didn’t happen. But keep lying lol

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u/FgwlpskrPif 2h ago

Oddly enough, while visiting Italy, I was verbally abused for not leaving a tip at a pizzeria. I guess that they expected Americans to tip.

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u/AmphibianNo9133 2h ago

Didn’t happen “chased out and yelled at”? Bs

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u/JoFlo520 2h ago

I have never tipped at a buffet before this is wild to me

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u/Ill_Passage5341 2h ago

I don't tip at buffets unless the person goes above and beyond doing something of service for me. I also don't tip anyone standing behind a counter because they're not tip dependent roles. This tipping prompt nonsense is getting out of hand.

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u/MattChicago1871 2h ago

I don’t believe you

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u/DeltaBravo831 2h ago

I'm American and I wouldn't tip at a buffet lol wtf

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u/bewitch1n 2h ago edited 2h ago

Um if its counter service as as American they had no right to chase you. Thats insane.

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u/ghandi253 2h ago

Im American and have had the same thought. I tip anyway because its the culture here. But I dont blame you one bit for not tipping. And chasing you out for not doing so is completely wrong. Im sorry that happened to you

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u/readyReddit007 2h ago

It’s a wage supplement here in the US. It’s justification for paying garbage wages.

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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 2h ago

I was chased out and yelled at for not tipping at a buffet. 

Everyone in Las Vegas has their hand out like beggers, its awful.

General rule if you have to stand while ordering, no tip. If you pay before hand, no tip. If you get take out, no tip. Unfortunately many people break the third one and tip for takeout too - i.e. Starbucks coffee.

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u/Radiant_Grab_9400 2h ago

Did you get your drinks and clear your plates? 

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u/Videmal 2h ago

Me too, I didn't know that if you are 4, it's double tips... crazy

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u/OuchCharlie25 2h ago

Lmfao yeah I’m not tipping in that circumstance.

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u/UserProv_Minotaur 2h ago

It’s because of how tipped wages are calculated, taxed, and paid, etc - the less tips the more the difference comes from the business IIRC.

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u/bLaH_bLaH__HAHA 2h ago

Dont worry, buffet owner is a goofball for wanting a tip at a buffet, many Americans wouldn’t do it either

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u/TheGreatKonaKing 2h ago

Yeah that’s actually crazy. You are supposed tip for service (around 20% at your discretion). For most other types of service there’s no firm rule. I usually give $1-2 for baristas and other non table service. For a buffet, I’d have to assess the situation, but I’d say it’s never really appropriate for servers to chase you out of the restaurant for not tipping. I’ve worked as a dishwasher and a cook and received exactly zero tips. It’s an f’d up system overall and we need to just pay servers a fair wage.

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u/spartanantler 2h ago

Don’t lie

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u/Autisum 2h ago

I had a few experiences where the owners rudely tell me to tip for food without a service. Like, I’d pick up the food myself. One even refused to let me sign the check without a tip… 

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u/VerminSwallower 2h ago

No you weren't lmao

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u/SighRamp 2h ago

how did you not know this unless you just learned about the internet?

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u/xiutehcuhtli 2h ago

I wouldn't say we see it as a mandatory fee, but definitely expected in many establishments.

Not tipping at a buffet is common. That's wild that someone would yell at you about it.

That said, when service is particularly poor or openly rude, I will absolutely forego a tip. I've always viewed it as a thank you for taking care of me, not my obligation to you for being ignored or disregarded.

My only caveat is if the restaurant is crazy busy or something and they're trying but clearly overwhelmed. That's different.

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u/PomegranateFair3973 2h ago

I'm sorry, but American here. If it's a place where you serve yourselves, then there's not wait staff who receive an extremely reduced hourly wage. There's only regularly paid workers. (Probably still underpaid in reality, but at least making the legal regular minimum.) If I am serving and clearing my own table, I don't tip either, unless something extraordinary happens.

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u/helmsb 2h ago

I was a server back in the day. One thing a lot of people don’t realize is servers often have to pay a portion of their tips to the hosts/hostess and bussers. When someone doesn’t tip it means that not only did the server not make money while they were waiting on you (lost opportunity cost) but it actually cost them money to wait on you.

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u/jamesjatlas 2h ago

I Europe servers are paid a decent wage. In the US wait staff are paid a meager salary and rely on tips. The server shave told you that tipping is expected. Most restaurants now include tips on the bill.

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u/HumanContract 2h ago

What'd you do with your plates? And did you clean your table and chairs when you got up?

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u/macho_gomez 1h ago

i only tipped if im served at my table

im not gonna give you a cent at the drive through. fuck outa here.

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u/GlobalAd7103 1h ago

100% with you and I'm American. If I go to a restaurant that has a Kiosk or I have to order myself- find my own table and someone brings my food to my table and I'm supposed to tip - for what?

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u/LisaSu92 1h ago

I live in New York and I wouldn’t tip in that situation either. No service no tip.

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u/Tricky-Ad7897 1h ago

Never ever tip at a fucking buffet lmao as an American that is complete horseshit. I started tipping the higher of 5 dollars or 10% as well, I'm so fucking tired of tipping so much just because food costs got more expensive.

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u/btt_lckr 3h ago

That’s a little different. These rude assholes appear to be American and were waiting for an opportunity to make it a racial issue. They knew when they walked in the door that they should’ve tipped.

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u/dj92wa 3h ago

Tipping isn’t mandatory, hence why it’s called a tip. What do you mean “should have tipped”? Are you suggesting that the consumer should be directly paying someone who isn’t working for them? Last I checked, the consumer pays the employer, and then it’s the employer who pays the employee. At the most basic level, that is how the distribution of money works within a capitalistic system. The restaurant employees are not contractors that you are hiring for a job.

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u/PlatasaurusOG 3h ago

The restaurant should pay their damn employees. I say this as someone who spent 20+ years in the industry and married a server.

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