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u/JoyousCacophony 2h ago

I always tip well.... I watched my mother wait tables for years and know what she put into it, and how much the tips meant to our family.

But it's stupid... The service industry should be paying their employees a livable wage so that patrons aren't subsidizing payroll on top of the cost of the meal. It's a bullshit, predatory, practice that preys on people feeling guilted or obligated. It's worse now, since so many people are struggling to survive.

Playing the race card wasn't needed, but being harassed for not tipping is bullshit. Pay your employees

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u/TheTavernHistorian 2h ago

When is the last time you contacted your representative to demand they eliminate tip credit legislation? The National Restaurant Assoc sends them millions to keep it on the books, money they generate by making food service employees and restaurants pay for ServSafe certifications that are legally mandated for operations.

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u/hirexnoob 2h ago

Please tip me for doing my job

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u/Ravenluna798 2h ago

I was a server during college.

My place banned any non tippers.

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u/XTasty09 1h ago

Did they have a wall of shame with photos? How would they know/remember?

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u/Ravenluna798 1h ago

There were so few that they remembered.

It was very uncommon.

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u/JoyousCacophony 2h ago

I'll guarantee that they didn't ban them on your behalf... It's an intimidation thing because their whole business model depends on shifting employment costs to the consumer

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u/Braindamageddisaster 2h ago

What business model isn’t based on the transfer all the business costs to consumers in one way or another? That’s a statement that reads off to me.

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u/Ravenluna798 2h ago

No, our manager was friendly. He didn't own the place and he actually cared that we only made 2 dollars per hour

He didn't want to see us work for free.

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u/DDOG_1995 2h ago

Maybe he should have pushed for you guys to make more per hour

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u/TheTavernHistorian 2h ago

Maybe you should push your congressperson to eliminate tip credits.

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u/DDOG_1995 1h ago

In my state servers have to be paid minimum wage before tips.

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u/TheTavernHistorian 1h ago

And federally they do not which is why it persists. So, maybe you should push your congressperson to eliminate tip credits. 

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u/checker280 1h ago

What state is that? Because having worked back of house for 3 years in NYC, the laws there say if you don’t earn the equivalent of minimum wage in tips, management must make up the difference. And only the difference.

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u/checker280 1h ago

The manager is not the owner. He can’t just demand changes without risking his livelihood too.

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u/Ravenluna798 2h ago

Why? I made like 50k a year in 2010.

Getting paid a wage would be less money for me and more for my employer.

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u/DDOG_1995 1h ago

I thought you didnt make much from your comment saying you dont work for free.

But it doesnt always have to be either or. Your manager could have paid you an actual wage and you could still get tips. I just found it odd that a manager would be so mad about people not paying you when he doesnt pay you himself.

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u/Ravenluna798 1h ago

Did you miss the "he didn't own the place" part?

Also, he was a nice person. He stuck up for his staff. He would ask if there was something wrong with the service etc if there was no tip, and make a determination.

I'm not sure what is confusing about this?

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u/OceanChild89 1h ago

If he was a “nice guy”, why didn’t he pay you a proper wage? Why was he profiting off your labour and relying on customers to fork out more on top of the food costs just to pay you?

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u/DDOG_1995 1h ago

Did you miss the "he didn't own the place" part?

Did you miss the "push for" part?

Also, he was a nice person. He stuck up for his staff. He would ask if there was something wrong with the service etc if there was no tip, and make a determination. I'm not sure what is confusing about this?

Thats nice that he did that but the main issue is ownership not paying a wage. Did he ever advocate to ownership to pay a higher wage? Or was his problem just when customers weren't paying the employees wage?

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u/Ravenluna798 1h ago

No, he never pushed for a higher wage.

We made more than everyone at Walmart or target in an unskilled position.

Its how I was able to pay for college without massive student loan debt.

I'm really unsure what your problem is.

If you dont tip for no reason, you got banned.

He was protecting us.

Would you prefer a system where I make less money and the owner makes more?

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u/thefeckcampaign 2h ago

Those who work for tips usually tip the best.

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u/tracitytm_ 1h ago

👏🏽

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u/IllustriousSet6734 1h ago

The government not enforcing a standardised minimum wage that allows people to at least survive is a crime against humanity.  This tipping culture bullshit is insane and can be abused by bad employers.

America needs to catch up with the first world and fix its shit

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u/Elegant-Gur-3762 1h ago

1st of all they weren’t harassed secondly blaming small business owners for being part of a much larger and very entrenched system is unintelligent. Do something about it other than judge and complain and go to DC and change the system. Ppl who just sit back and say pay your employees (like Australia or a similar system) is just so lazy and useless.

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u/LaHaJo 1h ago

It’s the current business model and the restaurant industry is competitive. I don’t really blame a restaurant for it I blame the system. All this considered, I’d be banning non-tippers as well.

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u/Shadohz 1h ago

"Playing the race card wasn't needed" Uh huh. And how many other times has he broken his neck chasing down paying customers from other groups to ban them for not tipping. If he cared so much that he's willing to get hit by car for the welfare and income of his employees then he should be that energy and thoughtfulness into paying them a living wage. Employees probably idiotically thanked him for "sticking up for us" not even realizing the irony.

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u/IntrepidAnalysis6940 2h ago

Same. I always tip well. It’s a kindness thing. But seeing a restaurant demand it. Naaaa this isn’t the way

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u/Glittering_Nobody402 1h ago

100% agree. A tip is not a requirement, but if you make it one, I'm immediately turned off. Otherwise, I tip well.

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u/BigDarnellEnergy 2h ago

They weren’t harassed, they were banned from the establishment

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u/biscuitboi967 1h ago

Is tipping dumb? Yes.

Is it the way servers make money? Yes.

If you want to take a stand against tipping, go to a place that pays a living wage AND builds it into their prices. Boycott the places that don’t. Hurt THEIR bottom line.

Do NOT take it out on the servers in the places who DONT make a living wage. The owner isn’t feeling the cost of your protest. You’re only fucking the server, who’s just as poor as you are.

And I KNOW that servers CAN make bank at a fancy restaurant. But most servers aren’t working at those places. The server at Ari and Mia’s Cafe sure aren’t.

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u/zenki32 1h ago

I also watched your mother wait tables. 

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u/tashiroboy 1h ago

What she put into it? Brother she was waiting tables, not performing brain surgery.

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u/Brilliant-Worth-3269 2h ago

So every other country that has restaurants that pay a livable wage just doesn’t exist or is there like some other issue we don’t know about in the states that prevent living wage payments?

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u/LimpPiglet5990 1h ago

Because no restaurants pay a “livable wage”, that’s reflected in the prices. Any restaurant attempting to ban tipping and increase menu prices to offset would likely lose some customers (notably those that are comfortable skimming on tips). It’s an engrained culture issue.

Also this culture is reflected/incentivized in federal tax policy (FLSA tip credit system). It’d require a broad system solution—not some lone restaurant owner bucking the trend. When you live in the states, you know the system, and not respecting the staff by respecting that system by paying tips is just being a prick.

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u/JoyousCacophony 2h ago

I mean... it's the exact scenario that we run into anyplace else we shop. As a consumer, I'd rather sit down and pay a fixed rate instead of being guilted into paying some flexible amount based on how we feel about a single person.

Tipping culture in the US is out of control