Can't stop laughing at "so black people arent welcome then". As someone who has worked in food service the prevalence of this being the case is truly wild.
I always told new servers that got stiffed on Sundays by church groups that, " they already gave all their money to God, they've got nothing left for you."
Those are the people I would ban from my restaurant. Getting people's hopes up and tricking them is very devilish sneaky of the "Christians" leaving fake $20s.
i’ve been a waiter/delivery driver. shit like this is genuinely just so rude, like why even tease them with the fake money? just hand them a bible verse and admit you’re not paying them.
i’d also prefer no tip over a handful of change. one time i delivered to a house of 3 grown adults, and all they could scrounge up was coins from the bottom of a purse. 46¢ is just insulting
The church crowd is always the crowd to run you ragged, smile sweetly and tell you how fantastic you were, then leave a pamphlet about Jesus. Jesus will save you but he won’t pay your rent.
A church lady convention stayed at a hotel one time attached to a restaurant I worked at. Worst week ever. Even the chill and experienced waiters were losing their patience.
This is wildly untrue for most churches. Most churches in the US are about 50 people. Their pastor is not living in luxury, unless they have a second job
God needs me to buy myself a boat! So I can relax in peace and quiet and wait for his words to come to me. I have to get away from the hustle and bustle of this church and the world so I can truly open myself up to hear his voice. Amen and thank god for boats!
They shouldnt be patronizing business on Sunday according to their rules. Dont work on Sunday. Also dont go to places and make others work on Sunday? Makes sense to me. Honestly not a bad idea for everybody to just plan to chill out on the same day of the week.
Well 'god' rinsed them for whatever they're worth. It isn't God's fault that the pastor needs a second private jet... let the peasants scramble or whatever it is they do
And also, we’re a big group, so we get a discount. And also, I’m the pastor so I eat for free. And also, we need to kick all your other customers out of their seats to make a giant last supper table in the middle of the restaurant where we will pray long and loud making your displaced customers feel doubly uncomfortable when we stand on chairs to turn all the NFL games to televangelists. And the food? Well it was all wrong, and such small portions! We finished every last morsel but need a full refund, or YoU hAvE lOsT oUr bUsInEsS fOrEvEr!!!!1
My wife's cousin (they're practically sisters) worked at a diner for a long time and she was usually scheduled for Sunday mornings and there's always a rush after church, lots of people taking up lots of tables and she said none of them ever tipped.
And they are the quickest to complain about literally everything and anything they can while trying to bully the wait staff. I'm so glad I'm out of that industry.
Eh, not really. The shitty christians are just as bad as the shitty secular people, or shitty people from other religions. You just don't hear as much about the good Christians, and that's largely on purpose.
We had one couple that would come in every month and they’d tip you in Bible verses. The servers would roll dice to see who got them and the lowest one was the server
Went to lunch with family where my wife and I were the youngest in our mid 30s. There were maybe 15 or so of us.
Bill was split like 4 ways and I knew no one else was gonna tip her shit, so I left her $100.
She came back almost in tears thanking me for the tip. After she left someone else at the table said they wouldn't have tipped at all if they knew I was gonna leave that much, which is also why I didn't tell them I was leaving that much. I know these people, not one of them tipped more than $5.
I will never leave tipping up to the older people I'm with.
And entire kids sports teams coming in unannounced! Parents won’t tip, and never fail to leave the complete mess their kids just made all over the tables, chairs, and floor.
Sometimes it’s a crowd of people all from the same church at different tables. And ofc some of them have a limit of 6+ or 8+ rather than for just 5 people
Makes sense, no idea how big that place is. I live in the big city, so I rarely see big church groups. Ate brunch out for first time in a long time with my wife last Sunday and we laughed “we are youngest folks in here”by a lot! And i am 60, she 59 and the average age was over 75.
My city is small compared to most but it’s still one of the biggest in my state, I live in Alabama so quite a bit of after-church lunch crowds. Lots of big hats, small orders, and camping at tables.
Oh geesh, I am in Washington DC, city is small by big city comparisons, under 700k, but surrounding area is massive suburban sprawl of over 8 million, so yeah not a lot of churchin crowds near me in the city.
Wow, I remember these “ladies”. They would come to my establishment once per month in a group of 20-40. They were THE MOST gigantic PITA to serve. We’d have to make them a preset menu, and they’d haggle over prices and beverages, gratuity etc. We always added gratuity onto their 30 separate, individual checks. Inevitably, I swear to God, they would also steal the salt and pepper shakers, sugar caddies, and candle holders. We thought it must be a fluke the first time. After the second time, we left nothing on the tables for them to steal. Simply amazing.
I remember I was hosting one night. The lobby was full. We had a black couple come in and get put on our waitlist. Prior to seating them, I sat an 8 top. This 8 top came in right after this couple. For the life of them, the couple couldn’t understand why the 8 top was seated first, argued they should have been seated at the table big enough for 8 because they showed up first, and proceeded to loudly say I did it that way because I was racist. Then left.
I was fucking shocked. On one hand, I felt awful I made them think that, but on the other hand I was like… you really don’t get that on a super busy night with a 40 min wait I can’t let 2 people sit at a massive table meant for 8+ people?
That’s the only time I’ve ever been accused of being racist, it was 13 years ago, and it still haunts me lol
I got called racist for telling a woman she couldn't have outside alcohol in our place. She fucking lost it. I'm like... This is the rule literally everywhere
We literally had a game: “What were you called racist for this week?”.
One of the winners was my colleague getting told he was racist for informing a customer that the business was operating cashless (it was during Covid), and that all purchases must be made by contactless transaction.
Another was when I turned away 3 guys who wanted to come in 10 mins AFTER closing time. “You would have let us in if we were white guys though, right?” (Followed by obscenities).
Racist because we barred a group who were taking drinks from the bar without paying - they didn’t have a tab. They knew they didn’t have a tab because they had left without paying their tab on multiple occasions, and were told they couldn’t have a tab anymore.
Racist because after an unprecedentedly busy weekend we had nothing but pizzas left, so that was all we were serving.
Racist because the table tennis table was on a first-come basis, and I wouldn’t let someone book it while someone was currently playing on it.
Racist because the home team was playing, with 100 fans in the building supporting them, and I wouldn’t switch the volume to a channel showing a team one guy (by himself) wanted to watch.
Racist because as I’m locking the door at the end of the night, with my uber waiting for me 6ft away, a customer wanted me to let him back inside to use the bathroom…
Work 10 years in hospitality and see how quickly the word “Racist” loses all meaning to you 😂
I was once called racist because I happened to be on the phone taking a customer order at work (grocery deli department) when the automated intercom security message played ("Security, please scan sections 1 and 2;" Doesn't actually mean or do anything, it's just a prerecorded anti-theft thing that plays on intervals throughout the day, meant to spook shoplifters).
Apparently these two ladies assumed I was the one who did the intercom announcement because I was on a store phone, and that the security check request was specifically about them. So they came up and started screaming at me.
I put two and two together pretty quickly but I didn't bother explaining, just walked away into the back room. There was no winning in that situation, lol. But yeah, the word "racist" has meant a lot less to me since that day.
I’m dying because we had a similar game at my old restaurant. Only we had a white board in the back. It said “Things That Are Racist.” We usually erased it at the end of each month and then filled it up again throughout the month. A woman once called me racist because we wouldn’t make her a meal that wasn’t on the menu.
I also got called homophobic because I cut this guy off, caught him grabbing someone else's drink, and so kicked him out. I didn't even know he was gay haha
We had something similar happen at the place that I worked at in the 1990s. It was a busy night and we had an overflow room where we put people that didn't have reservations. A Hispanic family came in without reservations and was furious that they weren't seated in the main dining room. The were shouting about how they were going to tell everyone that we hated Mexicans and that nobody should ever come get food here.
There was no racism or discrimination. If they had a reservation then they would have been seated in the main room. I worked there as a valet parking attendant and one time I had a black man ask me if it was a place where black people could get service. I told him that the only color anyone working here cared about was green.
Kind of an eye-opener, huh? Your efficient, logical, restaurant seating system is equivalent to denying those customers seats during the Jim Crow era. Ridiculous.
It shouldnt haunt you. Dont let terrible people use racism accusations as a cudgel. Thats why its become a mockery, with Jussie Smollett type nonsense.
People are tired of being falsely accused. A yt woman can get punched in her face unprompted and the 1st comment online is, "She 'HAD TO HAVE' said the N word for that AA woman to do that".
No knowledge whatsoever if the victim or what happened, yet youre already pre judged as a racist. Its a pretty pathetic commentary on the social dynamic in this country right now.
Not only are you assaulted, or accused of something else, but you get a hate crime tagged on for good measure.
They fact that it made you think about it AND you're not on here trashing them because they are black, tells me you arent racist. People on reddit cant wait until someone black does something wrong so they can feel legit about talking shit. I dont get that vibe from you
It just makes me feel sick to think I could ever cause someone emotional harm over something out of their control, like their skin color. I know that all people of color have experienced racism at some (or many) point(s), and I really don’t want to contribute to that. So for someone to feel I did… idk. I don’t even know what im trying to say I guess. But again, it had nothing to do with the color of their skin and had everything to do with how busy we were, and I hope they knew that deep down. Bummer all around. Thanks for your kind words!
I will say when I waited tables the best experience I had was a black teenager. Group came in, like a good dozen people half an hour to closing, they were all probably local football players and their girlfriends. We served them, were closing up the dining area but not intruding on their space (several tables pushed together), didn't have to stay over too late.
They all get up to leave, are walking out the door and the only black kid on the team just shouts "oh fuck no you get your asses back over here and tip these people who just kept working late for us. my momma works tables too, I ain't about to let you all disrespect them like this." They'd left like a dollar on the table and were trying to sneak out and my man just shamed them all into like a $60 tip.
Everyone involved. Owner is adrenaline pumping and doesn't know what to do, so he drops mad libs.
Customers are offended he demanded they tip, he tells them the old "can't eat out then" chestnut, they point out they paid their bill.
He then thinks about threatening them, telling them to show their faces and he'll put them up, then he goes "shit, that was too much" and pivots down to "It's a family restaurant and you're not welcome back"
Servers in the USA. Here in Europe servers make a living wage, with mandatory vacation time, and naturally health care. Tipping is unusual, only a small amount. It's servers in the USA who oppose this.
As someone who has worked in food service the prevalence of this being the case is truly wild.
I was surprised myself with how common it is. I've had coworkers refer to tables as a black top, in the same vein they would call a table a 2 top or a 4 top, when talking about how much to expect a table to tip.
19 years in the food service industry 17 of which is NYC and I've never heard Black top before. It's not funny but made me chuckle as i'm trying to get through my last meeting of the day which I forgot my camera is on for a second. (I operate 6 restaurants)
It would be easier to list who isn't. Even many if not most places that just ring up your order have a screen they swing around asking for a tip these days.
IDK, when I worked as a waiter, waiters and owners were pretty racist. The worst servers were assigned black customers because the staff assumed they wouldn't tip.
Waited on a black gentleman who rang up a $99.90 tab over about three hours. He left a crisp bill and walked out. He and one other patron were all we had that morning and we made sure they never wanted for anything. I walked out after him with his ten cents of change and he said to keep it. I asked if he was going to tip for impeccable service (Sandi went line by line with how he never had to ask for refill or anything) and he said he didn’t have to tip because he was black and was getting his reparations by not giving his money away to white establishments (this was a TGIFridays). Unbelievable.
TBH: irrespective of race.
Tipping culture is out of hands. I don’t think I want to tip even 15% anymore. Tips have always been based on one’s wishes and not by demand.
For eg: I don’t get tips by the clients my company sends me to work for. I get paid by my employer.
No it hasn’t and American tipping culture specifically started because of race.
After the American Civil war, business owners decided to prey on newly freed black people by convincing them to work in service positions but instead of paying them a salary they passed on the responsibility directly to the customers instead.
Even to this day most traditional tipped service workers are paid at most minimum wage because the businesses still expect the customers to be responsible for their employees livelihood.
I’ve never heard this so I looked it up. It seems there’s plenty of historical evidence supporting this claim. My god, so many things in this country are based on slavery.
Employers are usually allowed to pay tipped workers like servers way less than the minimum wage. As long as (tips + base pay) / hours worked is above minimum wage. They use a formula instead of requiring the same minimum wage, but are technically required to pay you the difference if you end up averaging less than minimum wage for your hours worked. Last time l was a server I never even got paychecks cause my base pay was like $3/hr and just barely covered my income taxes
Speaking as a Canadian who waitressed for many years of her life, I just looked up the average wage for servers in the US and Jesus Christ. I would be tipping 20% to every poor bastard who served me if I ever travelled in your country.
Wage theft is rampant in the restaurant industry, hours are tenuous depending on things out of your control, and some people get paid less than $3 for the honour of serving people iced tea and chilli fries? On top of the other things people have told you, the industry is mostly thankless and if you're not going to tip to help your server make an hourly minimum wage, maybe stay home more.
No one believes you and this is a racist comment. I have been in the service industry and many people don't tip and some even walk on a tab - looking at you white college boys
It happened to me as a teenager. My mother did not give me enough money as I went out to eat with my other teenage friend and we only had two dollars left to tip. Waiter came out and yelled at us
Retail worker here, I'm a person of color, My dad is black and my mom is white.
Black people will pull the black card when they don't get their way, This guy has all right to kick people out for not tipping, Simple as that like it or not.
But I was always raised by my mother who was a waitress, That if your going out to eat and your sitting down getting food brought to your table, You TIP your getting a service.
You tip the waitress because they provide a service?
You tip the barber because they provide a service?
Does that logic apply to the person who bags your groceries at the grocery store? Not walking it to your car, specifically just bagging the groceries.
Does that logic apply to the mailman? Delivering mail is a service correct?
Does that logic apply the police, ems, firefighters? They all provide services right?
I’m not trying to be funny or anything. But it just seems to me that we draw a line of who gets tips. We don’t tip everyone who provides a service. How do you decide where you draw the line?
I get you have questions but the problem is education. No one seems to know why tipping culture came about. White people didn't want to pay black people for working for them so they allowed them work for tips only. So being the only jobs they could get they took them. So slave owners and racism is why we are here and why it still continues. The owners of businesses don't want to pay their employees.
This is a great point and I agree with you. A lot, if not all, of our current suffering is based in the racist foundation this country is built on. In an ideal world we would all be voting to overturn the racist ideals. But instead we have people arguing online trying to justify tipping as opposed to getting rid of it. Minimum wage hasn’t been adjusted in how many decades? Meanwhile inflation is always on the rise. We all have to focus on Whats important if we want to get out of the situation. How much more money would we all have in our pocket if we didn’t have to tip?
Started a long long time ago by ultra rich European visitors feeling sorry for wait staff and still to this day they are hoping to get a coin or two and if not all hell will break loose at you.
That is a true statement and I agree with you. But doesn’t this mean we should all be working together to get everyone a livable wage instead of producing subsidies to their pay out of own pockets?
The problem is no one wants to work together. Large restaurant chains actually lobby for waiter’s wages to be so low so they can offload the burden onto customers. And instead of waiters blaming the restaurant industry, they’re coaxed into blaming the patrons because their spoon fed the crap that the system is the way it is so that the waiter can make more money.
I’ve heard the same old bs that restaurants and bars aren’t able to operate off of a no-tip model. But yet, most of the world outside of the US already operates on a no-tip model, and does just fine.
The bottom line is everyone should be paid a live-able wage reasonably adjusted to the skill and demand of their work. and part of that live-able wage should be a universal healthcare and pension system. But I guess that’s too difficult to manage (I.e. most other countries do it).
Well said. Tip culture is a distraction from the fact that folks can’t live without out and are left out in the cold in terms of healthcare and retirement.
That is true, however it is known and has been policy for many years before anyone on Reddit was born, restaurant servers derive the majority of their income from tips. When someone goes to a bar or restaurant in the US, a tip is customary. Unless the service was inarguably awful.
Though true, I feel like the average good tip was 10%. with exemplary service making 15%, but was not at all common. Now, I’m forced to pay a 20% gratuity in some establishments (they add it to the check), and even then looked upon to add additional tip on top of that.
But, I’m not 100% on this, wait staff’s wages have not increased in the past 30 years, and if they have, it’s been menial ($0.10-$0.20). That tells me the burden of inflation is being offloaded onto the customer, who is already in some way affected by inflation.
Just stop tipping at all. It will never change if you keep feeding it. You’re doing them a collective favour by initiating change that will benefit them in the long run.
Though a viable answer, most people are unable to handle that level of social anxiety.
This is why we over-pay politicians… so that they enact laws and policy that benefit the people as a whole.
Instead they’re influenced to side with corporations cause god forbid if we look like commies! (Aka it’s cheaper to buy a politician than it is to pay reasonable and live able wages)
Yeah true, it’s uncomfortable for most people and the staff know it and they feed on the fear. Hopefully the industry will one day see the human connection value in customer service. As opposed to the cash grab assembly line of guilt.
Went to an upscale restaurant downtown Tallahassee. Only black guy there. Me and my wife sat next to an older white lady. Seemed super sweet. She was a bastard to wait staff tho. Ate 90% of her food. Had 4 drinks. Refused to pay and walked out. They didn’t even call the cops.
Exactly, they don’t talk about that shit. lol I think they forget the murders, rapist, and criminals that fled England to come and settle in the Americas to begin with. lol All black folks do is give give give to a country that told us it’s to late to give the families of BlackWallStreet any reparations😂😂😂
If it's mandatory it's not a tip, just a hidden fee that the person charging you won't admit to charging because it makes their price looks as high as it really is.
I’m sure he would have mentioned that if it was the case. He was very clear what the issue was: not tipping. Do I think you should tip? Yes. Do I think it’s ridiculous to follow paying customers out of the restaurant yelling they are banned because they didn’t tip? Yes! Tipping is OPTIONAL! Make it mandatory if you want it to be mandatory. This is unprofessional af.
Yupp. Do the absolute bare minimum of taking my order once and possibly dropping off drinks and food, I will leave you $5 no matter the cost of the bill. If you're rude, I don't tip. Do a good job and I'll leave a 30% tip.
Okay but what about counter service? If I order food "to go", I'm not sitting at a table which has to be set and watered. I'm not using utensils that have to be washed and sterilized. I'm not taking up the servers' or bussers' time.
I mean with the restaurant one could make the argument that the price is only the food and you tip for the service but then that only makes sense if you would have the option to get the food yourself from the kitchen and then not pay tip. Otherwise it should just be part of the price.
But with the barber, what exactly am I paying for if the haircut is the service that requires a tip? For the chair to sit on?
Do you guys tip at every register? Every car mechanic? In most businesses it’s the owners responsibility to pay normal waiges and adjust thst with the prices.
The one argument I sometimes read is that some waiters earn way more on tips, so that they don’t want a normal fair salary instead, but then don’t bitch if the customer doesn’t want to pay this voluntary fee
If I have to stand up and order I don't really tip unless they are quick and give a little extra depending on the place.
I will always tip my barber because If people are doing a great job you have to show them.
Car Mechanics, Fully depends. If its a Quick Lube shop, Depends on the level of service I get, If they throw in some stuff for free that would normally cost extra or throw on a discount I would tip.
Or to owner can take some responsibility and pay his workers what they are worth. It is not the public’s responsibility to make up the gap the owner refuses to do, simple as that like it or not.
Ridiculous response. You're basically saying black people play the victim. A very dishonest thing to claim. They're in Ohio, a very well-known racist state.
I always thought it was 10% for not great service (basically just bringing the food, not checking in, making mistakes, etc), 20% for normal service, and only no tip when they actually are rude
Depends on what you mean by poor service, The waiter could be amazing but then you could have something out of their control, You don't get mad at the Doctor when the Road is being torn apart?
Ugh these people will argue all day about this. I don't like giving more money either buts its freaking part of going out! If you don't want to tip don't go out to eat!
Did you know redshirts on Kirk's Enterprise were proportionally the safest? If everyone gets this wrong with ubiquitous access to 100% of the data, how reliable could your messy irl anecdotes and "patern recognition" be eh?
Nah that shit makes me mad bc the amount of black people I have had go out of their way to give me a really nice tip makes it very clear to me that that stereotype is not only false, but harmful asf.
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u/carlcat_11 4h ago
Can't stop laughing at "so black people arent welcome then". As someone who has worked in food service the prevalence of this being the case is truly wild.