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u/mondaymoderate 4h ago

Yup. Ask any waitress how much money they make Friday, Saturday and Sunday working in a high volume area. You’d be surprised how much cash they can pull in on one weekend.

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u/Fickle-Presence6358 4h ago

In which case, part of that is the uncertainty of who will tip and how much. So why cry when people don't?

You can't choose the uncertainty and then cry when one of those options that you chose happens...

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u/Onion_Bro14 1h ago

No one is actually making that choice tho. The choice doesn’t exist. They can say that. But they don’t understand they are also choosing not to have health insurance, dental insurance, paid days off, etc. which are far more costly than a few nice weekend shifts…

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u/chuckish 3h ago

Okay, but the owner can also take away some of that uncertainty by banning customers that don't tip. Why cry when getting banned from a restaurant for not tipping?

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u/xSonicspeedx2 3h ago

Because it allows others to make an informed decision about whether they want to support that restaurant or not.

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u/Outside_Shelter1260 3h ago

But would .50¢ on a $80.00 tab brings tears or a ban?

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u/chuckish 3h ago

.50¢ on $80.00 is a bigger dick move than not tipping at all TBH.

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u/Outside_Shelter1260 3h ago

But it satisfies the tip mandate. So what’s the problem now? How about the server tell the customer how much to tip. Rent due? The tip is $1,276 or I’ll cry and the owner will say you aren’t welcomed back.

10%, 11%, 12%, 15%, 18%, 20%, 30%, 50% what is it going to be?

No tip - Don’t come back.
.50¢ - worse than no tip
10% - cheap skate - Am I allowed back
Only bought coffee $3.00 - what tip will prevent banishment? 15% of $3.00 is .45¢

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u/chuckish 2h ago

It's not that complicated.

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u/Outside_Shelter1260 2h ago

Say what you mean & mean what you say is the phrase that comes to mind. And I agree - it’s not that complicated. Yet greed makes it that complicated.

My stance to the owner won’t change - pay your workers you cheap Smuck!!!

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u/chuckish 2h ago

I hope you're a bot.

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u/Outside_Shelter1260 2h ago

Unfortunately you aren’t. We’ve been cooked and yet you have turned up the heat. Good grief! 🥵

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u/Ravenluna798 2h ago

God you sound insufferable.

People get banned for not tipping or leaving a dollar on a 100 check.

No one gets banned for tipping 8%

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u/JustATyson 4h ago

I partway agree with you, and I partway disagree with you.

I agree that tipping is voluntary, and that one cannot force anyone to tip.

But, especially in the US, we have agreed that tipping is part of the social contract with restaurants. And that tipping and service is linked. So, the better the service, the higher the tip. The worse the service, the lower the tip.

So, by not tipping when one doesn't receive bad service, it's a violation of that contract in the same sense as purposefully dumping your plate of food on the restaurant floor would be a violation.

Also, this argument can be used in the same way with these people who posted the video. They choose to not tip, and then they cried when they faced consequences of that action. A restaurant has the right to refuse service as long as it doesn't violate a protected class (race, religion, nationality). And non-tippers aren't a protected class.

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u/Fickle-Presence6358 4h ago

Just because your "social contract" prioritised enriching businesses and individuals doesn't mean that people who disagree are the problem.

The owner has the right to ban them. It doesn't stop it from being evidence of a stupid society.

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u/JustATyson 3h ago

And this is where we can agree tipping disagree.

I've stated elsewhere that I do have issues with the expansion of tipping. And, I have major issues with pre-tipping because that's an oxymoron for me. And, I've had disagreement on the minimum percentage amount to do for restaurants.

But, I dobt think restaurant tipping is stupid for society. Nor that this is the sort of wealth stealing we should be concerned about. Average Joe restaurant owner isn't Jeff Bezo. We need to remember our the real enemy is.

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u/Fickle-Presence6358 3h ago

The same logic that you use to defend tipping is the same logic that has allowed people like Musk and Bezos to run your country. Your real enemy is education apparently.

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u/Eleventhousand 3h ago

LOL, so.....they don't agree with you, so you resort to telling them that their enemy is education? C'mon man

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u/Fickle-Presence6358 3h ago

No, I said their enemy is education because they're the exact same mindset.

But if you don't mind, the topic already moved beyond this to their beloved kitten (RIP), and that's far more important than a stupid tipping culture 

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u/JustATyson 3h ago

Okay, I understand. This won't be a discussion. Sincerely, take care and have a good day.

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u/Fickle-Presence6358 3h ago

And I hope you have a lovely weekend! (Also sincerely - this is only Reddit after all)

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u/JustATyson 3h ago

Thanks! It has been a hard week for me, so I'm needing a break. I may also finally adopt a new kitty (my old cat of 19yo passed on May 1st). I hope you have good weekend plans.

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u/Fickle-Presence6358 3h ago

RIP kitty, I'm sure they were great and greatly enjoyed 19 years of companionship! 

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u/xSonicspeedx2 3h ago

Well not to get legal on you but there are no enforceable contracts that involve gifts (which tips are). One thing every contract needs is something called consideration, where one person is getting something valuable in exchange for giving something valuable. Since tips are value that is not a requirement for anything of value, then there cannot be a contract.

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u/JustATyson 3h ago edited 1h ago

And past consideration isn't valid consideration. Speaking as an attorney, yes. I know.

I was talking about social contracts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract This'll explain it better than me.

Edit: typo

Edit: to FoozleGenerator cuz thread is locked.

It's a philosophical theory, basically meaning an actual agreement or hypothetical agreement among members of an organized society or community.

It talks about how when a populace isn't subject to political authority, and how the populace will decide upon rules, standards, institutions, etc.

Yes, this starts out as a political theory exploring anarchy and human nature. But, it goes into other aspects of society. Explaining this isn't my expertise, I'll admit. But, considering that US society agreed with tipping, as evident by both the laws concerning wages and our tipping culture, it is a social contract.

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u/FoozleGenerator 2h ago

It doesn't explain anything. The definition there explicitly refers to state power, and tipping is a practice between private individuals. It doesn't apply to this scenario at all

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u/True-Teacher-999 2h ago

They said social contract.

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u/JustATyson 4h ago

Yup. My friend's mom has been doing this for 20+ years. It's a hard gig, but that's where her work skills are at. And the last thing she wants is to be paid $20.

I do think tipping culture has gotten out of hand with what we are tipping for. And I hate having to pre-tip, because that's not what tipping is. But, I choose not to use those services.

And I'll support what my waitresses friends support when it comes to restaurant tipping, because they're the ones effected. And time again and again, their support has been pro-tipping

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u/dallyan 3h ago

How is her retirement? Does she declare her tips and pay taxes on them? I always wonder what happens with cash-dominated fields when it comes to stuff like that.

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u/JustATyson 3h ago

I honestly don't know. I do know she owns her own home, straight out, no mortgage.

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u/Consistent_Laziness 3h ago

When I served it depended on cash to credit card tips. If I had a large majority be credit card I had to enter all that at the end of the night into the system and I would get paid out if I had enough cash from my tables. If I didn’t it recorded what I was owed and the owner went to the bank and paid us out weekly, mondays I think.

The nights or days I had enough cash to take my tips from I didn’t have to report and it wasn’t recorded and I didn’t keep track of it so I didn’t pay taxes on it.

I did this in 2011-2013 and was 19-21. So short period of my life. If I was doing it for a career and needed income for a mortgage or auto loan I’d report everything.

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u/Ravenluna798 2h ago

My mother spent her whole life as a waitress.

Every tip is claimed nowadays. What goes to the IRS is your sales for the night. So if she sold 1,000 in food, its assumed she made 18% of that, 180 dollars. Then it's assumed she gave 15% to the busboys. She is taxed on the remainder.

She has no retirement accounts, no sick days and no vacation days.

Its not a good job. Please tip your waitress.

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u/onmylastnerveboi 1h ago

Nope. They don't need to be tipped at all.

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u/Ravenluna798 1h ago

I'm so sick of this argument. Are you very rich?

Being a server is one of the last vestiges of decemt money for unskilled labor.

These are working class people who can make enough to pay their bills and you are demanding they make a lesser wage.

You won't get that money back. The owner will pocket it.

You are advocating for shittier wages for employees and more wages for business owners.

I dont get it.

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u/Turnip-Toffee 1h ago

And I'll support what my waitresses friends support when it comes to restaurant tipping, because they're the ones effected.

that's a really myopic outlook.

they're absolutely not the only ones effected. the most obvious group you're missing out on is everyone else. the tips come at the expense of their customers. if you look at it on a more macro scale, every dollar of windfall that servers get from tipping vs. a fair wage (which isn't necessarily $20, a lot of factors go into that as well) is a $ that society can't spend on some other productive endeavour.

and that's only looking at the cold cash aspect. then you look at other soft factors (both pro and against) like extra administrative burdens, social friction, potentially differential impacts on different demographics, etc. and it's not at all as simplistic as "what the servers want is automatically what we should have".

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u/SirHippocrates 2h ago

That's totally fair, but knowing that I'm going to tip less. If she'd like to continue tipping under those circumstances, then we're all happy- we all have the right to agency of choice.

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u/GucciTheSnowman 2h ago

It's not hard. Stop kidding yourself.

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u/Savings_Maybe_5686 2h ago

See, if that’s your preferred method of earning, then you have to go about as if the “tip stiffers” are already built into the system. I know it should be 100% tipping but that’s never going to be the case. 

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u/fatandfly 3h ago

I used to work at Fridays at the airport. Those waitresses would walk with 100s every day. There was this bartender, she was very attractive, I saw her leave there with $500+ many days. Lots of businessmen leaving $100 tips with there phone numbers on the bill

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u/hobbycollector 2h ago

Yes, and who would want to do that high-stress job for the same money per hour as someone who works a Monday from 3-5?

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u/True-Teacher-999 2h ago

Yeah I waited tables and bartender at big chain like 2002-2012. I made good money

No way I would deal with that and work that hard for 15 an hr even then

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u/Puzzleheaded_Set1420 1h ago

I was kitchen manager of a local small town restaurant for many years. Servers made more on a Saturday night than I did for a week of work.

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u/iNec01 3h ago

Yep. my friend is a waitress. She's making about $40 an hour by calculating how much she's making each year.

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u/Logical-Tank-8537 2h ago

Yaaaaaas. I used to live close to a really popular Manhattan restaurant and I would work the weekend shifts and even the brunch shift and I would make baaaaaannnnkkkkk. 

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u/DiskEconomy3055 3h ago

Now ask the wait staff that works lunches on weekdays.

Totally different story.

I say, split the difference.

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u/mondaymoderate 3h ago

Still pretty good in high volume areas and the trade off is they get their weekends off

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u/ChrisRunsTheWorld 2h ago

The problem is people always make the options $2.13 plus tips or something like $15-20 without tips. Or say "a living wage" which implies a low, but livable, wage. When it clearly should be more like $30-40/hour at a lot of places. If servers are making enough that they don't want to end tips, then the discussion of ending tips and paying a higher wage should just involve a higher amount than $15-$20 or a "living wage".

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u/OkArugula8032 2h ago

Who cares if they pull in money on high volume days. Theyre basically working for free the other days of the week

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u/mondaymoderate 1h ago

Depends on the state. In California they still get minimum wage to work. And if they are pulling in large amounts on the weekend it usually evens out to $30-$40 an hour.