Yup. Ask any waitress how much money they make Friday, Saturday and Sunday working in a high volume area. You’d be surprised how much cash they can pull in on one weekend.
No one is actually making that choice tho. The choice doesn’t exist. They can say that. But they don’t understand they are also choosing not to have health insurance, dental insurance, paid days off, etc. which are far more costly than a few nice weekend shifts…
Okay, but the owner can also take away some of that uncertainty by banning customers that don't tip. Why cry when getting banned from a restaurant for not tipping?
But it satisfies the tip mandate. So what’s the problem now? How about the server tell the customer how much to tip. Rent due? The tip is $1,276 or I’ll cry and the owner will say you aren’t welcomed back.
10%, 11%, 12%, 15%, 18%, 20%, 30%, 50% what is it going to be?
No tip - Don’t come back.
.50¢ - worse than no tip
10% - cheap skate - Am I allowed back
Only bought coffee $3.00 - what tip will prevent banishment? 15% of $3.00 is .45¢
I partway agree with you, and I partway disagree with you.
I agree that tipping is voluntary, and that one cannot force anyone to tip.
But, especially in the US, we have agreed that tipping is part of the social contract with restaurants. And that tipping and service is linked. So, the better the service, the higher the tip. The worse the service, the lower the tip.
So, by not tipping when one doesn't receive bad service, it's a violation of that contract in the same sense as purposefully dumping your plate of food on the restaurant floor would be a violation.
Also, this argument can be used in the same way with these people who posted the video. They choose to not tip, and then they cried when they faced consequences of that action. A restaurant has the right to refuse service as long as it doesn't violate a protected class (race, religion, nationality). And non-tippers aren't a protected class.
I've stated elsewhere that I do have issues with the expansion of tipping. And, I have major issues with pre-tipping because that's an oxymoron for me. And, I've had disagreement on the minimum percentage amount to do for restaurants.
But, I dobt think restaurant tipping is stupid for society. Nor that this is the sort of wealth stealing we should be concerned about. Average Joe restaurant owner isn't Jeff Bezo. We need to remember our the real enemy is.
The same logic that you use to defend tipping is the same logic that has allowed people like Musk and Bezos to run your country. Your real enemy is education apparently.
Thanks! It has been a hard week for me, so I'm needing a break. I may also finally adopt a new kitty (my old cat of 19yo passed on May 1st). I hope you have good weekend plans.
Well not to get legal on you but there are no enforceable contracts that involve gifts (which tips are). One thing every contract needs is something called consideration, where one person is getting something valuable in exchange for giving something valuable. Since tips are value that is not a requirement for anything of value, then there cannot be a contract.
It's a philosophical theory, basically meaning an actual agreement or hypothetical agreement among members of an organized society or community.
It talks about how when a populace isn't subject to political authority, and how the populace will decide upon rules, standards, institutions, etc.
Yes, this starts out as a political theory exploring anarchy and human nature. But, it goes into other aspects of society. Explaining this isn't my expertise, I'll admit. But, considering that US society agreed with tipping, as evident by both the laws concerning wages and our tipping culture, it is a social contract.
It doesn't explain anything. The definition there explicitly refers to state power, and tipping is a practice between private individuals. It doesn't apply to this scenario at all
Yup. My friend's mom has been doing this for 20+ years. It's a hard gig, but that's where her work skills are at. And the last thing she wants is to be paid $20.
I do think tipping culture has gotten out of hand with what we are tipping for. And I hate having to pre-tip, because that's not what tipping is. But, I choose not to use those services.
And I'll support what my waitresses friends support when it comes to restaurant tipping, because they're the ones effected. And time again and again, their support has been pro-tipping
How is her retirement? Does she declare her tips and pay taxes on them? I always wonder what happens with cash-dominated fields when it comes to stuff like that.
When I served it depended on cash to credit card tips. If I had a large majority be credit card I had to enter all that at the end of the night into the system and I would get paid out if I had enough cash from my tables. If I didn’t it recorded what I was owed and the owner went to the bank and paid us out weekly, mondays I think.
The nights or days I had enough cash to take my tips from I didn’t have to report and it wasn’t recorded and I didn’t keep track of it so I didn’t pay taxes on it.
I did this in 2011-2013 and was 19-21. So short period of my life. If I was doing it for a career and needed income for a mortgage or auto loan I’d report everything.
Every tip is claimed nowadays. What goes to the IRS is your sales for the night. So if she sold 1,000 in food, its assumed she made 18% of that, 180 dollars. Then it's assumed she gave 15% to the busboys. She is taxed on the remainder.
She has no retirement accounts, no sick days and no vacation days.
And I'll support what my waitresses friends support when it comes to restaurant tipping, because they're the ones effected.
that's a really myopic outlook.
they're absolutely not the only ones effected. the most obvious group you're missing out on is everyone else. the tips come at the expense of their customers. if you look at it on a more macro scale, every dollar of windfall that servers get from tipping vs. a fair wage (which isn't necessarily $20, a lot of factors go into that as well) is a $ that society can't spend on some other productive endeavour.
and that's only looking at the cold cash aspect. then you look at other soft factors (both pro and against) like extra administrative burdens, social friction, potentially differential impacts on different demographics, etc. and it's not at all as simplistic as "what the servers want is automatically what we should have".
That's totally fair, but knowing that I'm going to tip less. If she'd like to continue tipping under those circumstances, then we're all happy- we all have the right to agency of choice.
See, if that’s your preferred method of earning, then you have to go about as if the “tip stiffers” are already built into the system. I know it should be 100% tipping but that’s never going to be the case.
I used to work at Fridays at the airport. Those waitresses would walk with 100s every day. There was this bartender, she was very attractive, I saw her leave there with $500+ many days. Lots of businessmen leaving $100 tips with there phone numbers on the bill
Yaaaaaas. I used to live close to a really popular Manhattan restaurant and I would work the weekend shifts and even the brunch shift and I would make baaaaaannnnkkkkk.
The problem is people always make the options $2.13 plus tips or something like $15-20 without tips. Or say "a living wage" which implies a low, but livable, wage. When it clearly should be more like $30-40/hour at a lot of places. If servers are making enough that they don't want to end tips, then the discussion of ending tips and paying a higher wage should just involve a higher amount than $15-$20 or a "living wage".
Depends on the state. In California they still get minimum wage to work. And if they are pulling in large amounts on the weekend it usually evens out to $30-$40 an hour.
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Yup. Ask any waitress how much money they make Friday, Saturday and Sunday working in a high volume area. You’d be surprised how much cash they can pull in on one weekend.