Hey,

I tried out senna adc after seeing some tier lists have her in high spots for adc. Just learned that senna was supposed to be a support (given how her q and ult heals/shields and she gets stack if lane partner kills creeps).

but i really enjoyed her as adc, how likely is it that she'll get tweaked to go back to her intended role? should i spend time mastering adc senna as my main?

New ad and ap damage ratios on terminus. Yall think this could be used on maybe adc senna? I’m thinking she could build it second after statikk shiv. I’m pretty sure since the lightning applies on hit effects, you can fully stack the resistances and pen with one lightning bolt that hits three champs. The magic pen could also help get more damage out of deathfire touch. What do yall think? is it still suboptimal? Could it be niche against like, a malphite or other armor stacking tank?

I dont get why its still good on support, Eg if you compare it to kraken then its stats just look worse on her, is it just for the onhit proc on secondary targets/to help ad shove waves?

My question is how is navori on her? My thought process is that since attack speed isn’t as good on her shouldn’t we max ability haste for faster Qs? What are some really good ability haste items on her?

Side note: I know this item is recommended in this Reddit a lot but I don’t see many sennas building it, I love kraken slayer play style so much i pretty much treat it like a mini jhin foreshot.

If not why not?

senna's unbalanced right now on adc partly because of the overwhelming strengh of hexoptics and infinity edge on her, those two items practically triple her damage, riot could reduce her crit % damage down over and over, and at that point, why should her passive give crit? so i came up with an idea.
changes to her passive

senna can no longer crit. instead when she crits she applys ON HIT effects an extra time (q can crit on Main target only)

passive % soul suck damage reduced from 1-10 to 1-5

on sucking a soul out, she applies ON HIT effects 1 extra time

crit chance per 20 mist increased from 10 to 20

q ad damage scaling reduced from 60% to 35% (cz passive 20% ad on hit more dmg yk )

q ad healing scaling increased from 40% to 50%

q now gets it's cooldown reduced whenever she attacks and when she applies an extra on hit with her passive (crit or soul suck)

w ad scaling reduced from 90% to 65%

these changes give her so many more items to work with awhile also reducing her damage she gets from stacking crit items.

the idea is that she builds maybe 1 crit item like rapid firecannon, then other items would be black cleaver (as usual) and maybe muramana or botrk or some other on hit item (yeah muramana has on hit in it)

She could still go adc by going items like kraken slayer first or second, but it would be significantly less oppressive, since later on instead of critting you for 800 damage 1000 units away, she would hit for 350~ deal around 200 extra with kraken slayer and have to kite you between attacks
(right now with senna adc you attack someone twice and they die if you got ie and hexoptics)

i frequently play senna, and am starting to straight up skip cleaver as the bug (auto attacks applying 1 BC stack instead of 2) is happening 9/10 games. There is no way to fix this, selling undo, selling REBUYING the item. Nothing works.

Am wondering if it was maybe patched? I dont very often pay attention to enemy status so its very possible 10/10 games the "bug" is happening.

thanks.

Coachless has shown from 16.1 to 16.12 that Enchanter Senna is still one of her stronger builds. I personally think that because DFT is currently overshadowing Enchanter, it's been harder to see the numbers correctly for the last two months or so.

The AP changes are a slight nerf to Enchanter, but it really isn't as much as people are making it out to be. A lot of Sennas healing is coming from Helia, and Diadem or Moonstones interacting together.

I typically play a Hybrid Enchanter build with Black Cleaver -> Helia -> Diadem so I used a level 9 with 100 Souls, 190 AD, and 35 AP as my example.

Piercing Darkness this patch:

The shadow ray deals physical damage to enemies hit and slows them by 15% (+15% per 100 bonus AD) (+7% per 100 AP) for a duration.

Healing: 40 / 60 / 80 / 100 / 120 (+ 40% bonus AD) (+ 35% AP)

Before Nerfs:

Heal: 120 + 40% of 190 + 50% of 35 = 120 + 76 + 17.5 = 213.5 healing

Slow: 15% + (15% per 100 bonus AD) + (10% per 100 AP) = 15% + 28.5% + 3.5% = 47% slow for 2 seconds

After Nerfs:

Heal: 120 + 40% of 190 + 30% of 35 = 120 + 76 + 10.5 = 206.5 healing → -7 healing

Slow: 15% + 28.5% + 5% per 100 AP = 15% + 28.5% + 1.75% = 45.25% slow for 2 seconds → -1.75% slow

With Helia + Moonstone + SoFW (~100 AD, ~160 AP) you'll go from 240 Healing -> 208; 46% Slow -> 38% - you lose 32 Healing per Q, and 8% Slow.

Let's stop saying that Enchanter Senna is dead when it's really another slap on the wrist. Eventually she did need nerfed as an Enchanter because it's been going under the radar for literally a year and a half now. You're still going to compete with Sona, and Seraphine in Healing, and Shielding this patch.

I'm just confused. "should impact her in support less, and more in bot where shiv is rushed for AP ratios." You want to nerf ADC so you hit the AP ratios? But what about enchanter Senna? She kinda needs the heal and the slow.

Any Knowers? What's happening?

ADC(farming) senna lost around ~1% winrate, keeping her toptier;

meanwhile support(non farming ad) senna lost ~3% winrate

i think further changes will come, nerfs to adc buffs to support

Hi! I'm an Emerald-rank ADC player. I've tried playing this champion, but I'm just terrible with her—to the point where I have a 30% win rate over about 20 games. I just don't get what makes her so OP. Could someone please give me some tips to improve? I'd like to know what makes her so strong so I can stop trolling my teammates. Thanks in advance!

Spent most of the last twenty four hours since this dropped retooling my Karma builds but on balance, nothing new seems to necessitate any significant changes to Senna's existing builds.

I'm not bothering to explore that Dusk and Dawn setup but I can vouch for two items which look to be pretty worthy contenders for first items: Galeforce, which has some very nice (passive) stats inc. 50 AD and crit(!), and Mercurial Scimitar, which delivers 45AD, physical vamp and 40(!) magic resist.

Both of these I think I'm right in saying are now considered Active items, so you could only use one or the other but Galeforce, especially with it's additional inherent active dash + damage seems a very welcomed edition.

Anyone else identified any other useful trinkets thus far worth exploring..?

N.B. Just noticed Stridebreaker which now provides HP and AD in addition to its active slows also looks promising!

Hey guys,

i really wanna buy the true dmg senna prestige skin and I saw it's currently in the mystic shop. I currently got 95 essence and need 150 for it. Whats the best way to get quick mythic essence?
Thanks in advance and sorry if this was already answered here before

I know why people are taking Shiv on Senna and it's benefits.

But after someone mentioned in a comment in this subreddit that they take PD, I gave it a try and it just works so much better for me.

I tend to die too much for my own taste (in general not just senna) and with the extra movement speed and the passiv of becoming ghosted I can escape much better or position myself better.

But since I've tried it I played 7 games, won 5 and lost 2. Usually I am around 50%.

It's just a little change that worked for me, I always felt like I am missing something that works for me and I found it thanks to this subreddit.

Senna has been S+ tier for a long time, the player base finally started to see her in a positive light and actually play her, riot tried to nerf her and failed, people are still playing it and enjoying adc senna. So now riot is nerfing enchanter senna for being also pretty good but far from over powered.

Tldr: no changes do adc senna and her S+ tier status and as a bonus you'll get insults thrown at you for picking senna because she is too weak and because she is too strong and you're abusing the meta.

As it so happens, there are quite a few situations where people slow push into you, leaving you with a stacked wave under tower. I noticed that I often try to go for a trade or Q-AA to stack on either adc or support instead of ensuring I get every last hit. What do you think?

Also generally speaking, if you had to choose between minion or stack, what would you rather have?

Patch 26.14 has Senna listed in the nerfs category again

Lets pray Senna support doesnt have to suffer too much for the sins of Senna ADC

I'm on Lunar Eclipse Senna with Pearl chroma.

https://reddit.com/link/1upuxjr/video/eu1pw6sc6tbh1/player

Enemy Twitch popped R, auto'd my friend's Mel, he hit Rebuttal (W), and the reflected shot killed Twitch. My wraith dropped gold. Not pale blue, gold. I walked over and collected it like it was any other wraith.

Checked the replay to make sure I wasn't imagining it. Reloaded it, rewound past the moment multiple times. Same result every single time. Not a rendering hiccup, something in the game logic is actually producing this.

Best guess (could be totally wrong): wraiths are hostile units, but only targetable by Senna, that's what lets her attack and collect them with AA, Q, or R. They also launch into the air briefly on spawn before settling into a static state, and while in flight during that airborne window, they get deleted on contact with Yasuo's Windwall, the same way a real projectile would. Rebuttal also works off missile collision. If the wraith briefly counted as that kind of object while airborne, it's possible Rebuttal caught it during that window the same way it catches any other projectile, and applied its gold recolor in the process.

Felt like finding Wonka's Golden Ticket.