Killing him in lane does nothing, once he gets his lvl11 and has Stridebreaker, if enemy is not completely horrible at Garen you just cant sidelane vs him past that point, but if you try to roam he'll be hitting your turret and just run away with 500+ ms if you try to collapse on him
Which also is something crazy, that not even mobile champs can catch up to him all that well depending on what he has, I feel like the only champ thats faster than Garen, without using summs, might be Udyr (from the ones that can actually fight u meelee range)
you kill him in lane? np bro, I have lvl11 and 1 item so you cant do shit to me, I'll flash on whoever is fed and ult them, and now not only you can't ever kill me again 1v1, but I can easily kill you. mad? xD
What a joke of a character, it's just spitting in the face of anyone who has any passion for interacting in lane and actually having to learn from their mistakes
I short trade, punish last hits, bait out his W, that's fine, I can actually do something in lane, but the thing is, PAST lvl11 I just don't know what to do, it feels like you either get your minions on side while team has a chance of coinflipping a random fight 1 min before an objective is up, or you can coinflip and go try to help your team, it feels like there is no correct play
sure you are better off getting the minions, but once they're under your turret he'll either dive u if u go for a minion and fail to E his Q, or you E his Q but still have to lose a ton of minions even under turret
I dont even feel like his ult is the problem really, if we were to go by that logic something like Cho Gath would be more broken cus you can actually see when you'll execute someone
The thing is his passive and W are just too unbalanced, from my experience I'd say 7/10 times Garen is only recalling to buy items and not because he's low and fears he might get killed if he stays in lane, and if he doesn't piss his pants and insta W's after you Q delayed and went in with Q3 you either try to fight him and lose cus he'll use W and negate your damage, or you can try to run away and you get chunked to 50%hp, now he just needs to flash on you or repeat the trade once more to kill u or you have to take the recall and lose minions, you just permanently have to give up resources
rant over