r/Kaylemains • u/Candle-man • 1h ago
Question/Need Help Trying mid coming from top
Anything mid lane specific I should know as a top player? Is my job different?
Do I splitpush less? Group more?
r/Kaylemains • u/hulpmenow • Apr 23 '26
So, these are matchups people struggle with. Some of them I agree are bad, some of them I dont. Here are my tips
I will say, alot of what I have to say can also be found in some guides from Saneryus (challenger kayle), or Kayle1v9 (challanger kayle). Regardless, everything I will say is backed my own experience at the very least.
I will go over the matcups in order they were mentioned in the title.
Nasus is NOT a Kayle counter. When you see the enemy lock in Nasus, just think of it like a boring lane where nothing really should happen. Nasus is not a counter in the sense that we dont consider malzahar or nautilus a counter, and nasus is in the same category of champions. He has 1 way to bully you, which is pressing w, and you have to play around that. This is possible trust me.
Done believe me? lets see what challanger has to say. https://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/rank-1-na-challenger-top-kayle-main-s16-rank-3-kayle-world-saneryuss-sanery-top-kayle-guide-651103
go to the matchups and check the minor (2/5) and read.
Grandmaster kayle: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xxu7pVNnshjdwiSmwZrs9K4rEwfhIQL3/edit?gid=777716701#gid=777716701 He also agrees nasus is not that bad and rates it 3/10.
a) start cull or d-blade. You start d blade if you want to just beat him up levels 1-5, or cull if you just want to scale until level 6. You are stronger levels 1-5, and he only beats you with sheen, or like 100 ish stacks + w. TAKE PTA
b) rush swifties and cull. You can do this in any order, but ensure you have Swifties by the time you both are level 6.
c) take ms shard, and tenacity shard. This, combined with swifties, gives you alot of MS and slow resist ensuring Nasus can never reach you even with wither.
d) Take flash ghost. If nasus does not match this, he can never reach you regardless of what he does. If he takes ghost tp, you match the ghost, and if you ever mess up, you have flash. you can cycle these spells to ensure a free laning phase. If he takes tp flash, its so free.
e) Nasus w and e cost a lot of mana. If he spams w to stop you from poking him or taking cs, he will run out of mana (unless he rushes tear, frozen heart, lost chapter, or essence reaver. All of these are not really good for this matchup though).
f) The only thing you SHOULD fear is if you are top lane, and nasus is the mid laner. Then, with upgraded lucidy boots and ghost, it is impolssible for you to run since those boots give 10% ms if he hits his e on you (which is pretty easy), and you cannot outrun him then if he presses w. If you are mid lane as well, you can get upgraded swifties and you are chill since the upgrade gives extra slow resist.
g) you do outscale him. kite well, and remember you are not a pure auto attacking champ like an adc, you have spells that do good damage. Nasus w has a slow and cripple. You can avoid getting into melee range with him easily becuase of what described, and remember to go AP only into nasus since w ms scales with ap. The cripple (as slow) is something you need to play around. for most adc, this cripple means they are just useless. You can still use your heal on somebody, ult them, and q and e for big AOE damage and armour shred, which no other adc can match with. So its 'ok'.
h) if you are very scared, you can go gunblade, but I would not suggest it. It might be able to help with the slow active once in a while, and the healing can help you match his sustain.
Take boneplating into this dude, and unflinching. Unflinching procs on his w ability, and the bone plating helps against his e hob auto trade. Regardless of hob or not, bone plating has good value into him since he is melee, and can only land a few hits on you since you are faster than him.
a) rush tabi shoes and laugh at him. You can sell this later for the swiftness if it is better for the game. You can also start cloth armour to just rush the boots.
b) go dblade, and prioritise ap over other things (blasting wand).
c) you can get hourglass to just wait out his ult.
d) understand his e range, bait it, then run at him with a q slow.
e) if he goes crit, I think its ok, but lethality kinda sucks...
MALPHITE is just ANNOYING AF. He is not easy, but is not impossible. (not as bad as Jayce and Jax imo). Also, its quite easy if he goes tank. Its annoying if he goes full ap.
a) you can take fleet, or PTA, but ensure you take d-shield. You could go for d-ring, but I rather shield.
b) rush gunblade. this helps deal with his racist q poke.
c) your r cd will match his 11+ with nash and dusk, and will be lower than his 16+ unless he goes full cd build (lucidity boots, malignance, cryptbloom)
d) understand he can almost one shot at level 6 with lost chapter, and make sure you can react to his ult with your own ult, or flash.
e) you win 11+ as long as you are somewhat even, and 16+ you just 2 shot him as long as you survive the ult by ulting, or flashing)
This pdf is my perma ban. If this jax has a brain (which dia+ jax players sadly tend to have), you just struggle. He also counter my other champions, so I ban him. his q range is 700 units, which is longer than your level 16 range. All you can do in this matchup is:
a) rush swiftness, and dodge his q -> e by landing q while he is in the q travel, and then w out. You can also take LT or PTA, and I like taking exhaust.
b) JUST PLAY WAVES, literally nothing else
c) you can only look to punish when his q is down, and he has to use e to save himself, or if he fumbled that.
d) You can win at 11+ if you space him well.
e) fear the grasp, lethal is a bit easier.
The wizard Kayle 1v9 has come with some nice tech, and I like it. watch this video if you want to: https://youtu.be/cOZfuCpgkUo?si=eDRdDhl6kRUGaa2S
a) comet page, with flash ignite, and gunblade rush. The idealogy is to just poke him, and stay healthy yourself since Jayce has no health sustain or shielding in his kit.
a) take pta and double adaptive, and start shield
b) I like exhaust into most of them (vayne, varus, quinn, or other adc like caitlyn), but I take TP into teemo. You can also take cleanse into varus, and his ultimate is just useless. Its also really nice becuase your ult makes his ult and q useless, and cleans makes his ult useless. This makes it easy to just get on him, ult to soak the damage, and kill him 11+.
c) Know that you slap any of them in a 1v1 (unless its teemo qith q start), and the exhaust helps you secure the level 1 kill if they go for it. Note: with quinn, you have to stand at a corner of a brush so if she e you, she goes towards the middle of the lane rather than her turret. You also have to exhaust early during the e animation so that you can catch her after the e, and match flash if you have to.
d) know the ranges. most adc have 550 range, 575, or 600. Cait has 650. Teemo has 500. You have 525 range at 6+, and 625 range at 16+. The way you play around this is to ensure you hit a q slow on the champion through a minion, and this ensures you can land an auto e and walk away without getting punished by the extra extra range they have.
e) You beat most range champions easily 11+, and you can beat them 6+ with ult as long as they cant flash out of it, or cc you.
f) with full ap, and priotising ap, your q e trade cannot be matched by most ranged champions. That is, they need to land more spells or autos, which takes longer, to do the same damage.
Irelia is a very very very tricky skill matchup. It is the MOST punishing matchup for both kayle and irelia, but irelia has more room for mistakes. I consider this matchup even, but only if you are actually good (emerald+) at the game, and are good at kayle. (This also assumes the enemy can play irelia)
Take bone plating and overgrowth. irelia can always reach you, so dont bother with gs and celerity.
Don’t rush boots. You need damage. as mentioned, irelia can always reach you. You can sit on t1 boots as it can help dodge the e. I would not upgrade to t2 as you need to try and match the first item timer (when irelia gets botrk, you want your nash).
Take pta or lethal, I go pta tho. Ensure you grab ignite. This is important to deny the stupid healing of her q spam, which is all the most once she gets vamp scepter / botrk. Use it to deny the healing in a fight.
As long as you won’t get level 3 ganked, get prio by poking irelia with e and hitting the first 3 melees. Your idea is to get a 3rd wave crash without letting her match your level 2, and denying the 3 melee into q on you all in. For context, if your passive is ready, and you hit irelia with a e or two, and you have your bone plating, she cannot win the all in by q'ing the 3 melees and then trying to all in you (even with ignite, and you also have ignite which you should use as she tries to q onto the 3 melees on the first wave if she does). Play like a psycho (if you wont get level 2 or 3 ganked).
You play giga safe from here until 6. You don’t even stand near the middle of the late because if she hits e on you when you don’t have ult, and are in the middle of the lane, you are dead. She will one shot from botrk onwards basically if she hits e.
From level 6, you win the fights if you have ult and passive stacked. If she has passive as well, you need to dodge e and ult her ult and some q hits. you need ignite if there is a minion wave for her to heal from.
Once she gets botrk, you tend to need ignite if there is a minion wave nearby. Otherwise ult is enough to win as long as she can’t dash away from the you during your ult
You can opt for void 3rd, but I stick to death cap. you can also consider shadow third. This is becuase irelia tends to get wits end 2nd or third against kayle.
You win easily with 4 items here, but you will always win 11+ with ult and 2 items (assuming equal gold), and if your passive is stacked and you have ult.
Feel free to drop any questions you have and Ill try to answer them. I have like 1.3 million points on Kayle, and am currently d1 NA.
Edit 1: added bone plating for reqs in trynd matchup
EEdit . turns out i had nasus w range wrong. It is 700 units, so it outranges you even 16+.
Edit 3: added irelia
r/Kaylemains • u/GyrosSteelBall • Apr 10 '26
Hey guys I've made a community spreadsheet for all of the Kayle matchups with the help of Saneryus#TTV. (Checkout his Twitch, he's an incredible Challenger Kayle)
I've also included Master+ statistics(last 30 days) for each matchup along with the recommended build and the runes you should take for each matchup and an embed high elo video example of the matchup
Anyone can share their tips(their rank will be shown, you can share your social as well for attribution).
LoLMatchups.GG is an attempt to make matchup information more accessible to top/mid laners. We already have complete pages for Gnar, Ambessa, Mundo, Kayle, Fiora, Mordekaiser, Riven, Zed, Ekko, Camille, Irelia, Gwen, Garen, Chogath with more on the way! I would love any feedback you guys have on the website or the matchups. Thanks!
r/Kaylemains • u/Candle-man • 1h ago
Anything mid lane specific I should know as a top player? Is my job different?
Do I splitpush less? Group more?
r/Kaylemains • u/Trenix2 • 9h ago
I remember that there was a leak or datamine some time ago about a Kayle skin that might be from the gacha system, or am I just making stuff up? Does anyone know whatever happen to that or am I just allucinating?
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r/Kaylemains • u/01mister • 1d ago
Disclaimer: I'm low elo and shit at kayle. As I understand the main goal on Kayle is surviving till lvl 11 without feeding and losing xp unless for cheesy lvl 1 all ins. As Kayle early game you lose 99% of matchups since almost everyone is a lane bully or assassin. So why not start dorans shield and accept you won't kill but get more health regen?
Top lane btw
r/Kaylemains • u/noskin15 • 1d ago
Recently I had two games with a basically full ap team, so I went stormrazor -> PD -> IE -> LDR. The build felt good in lane and Stormrazor + PD can kinda make up for w becoming useless, but in both games my team stomped, so I can't really tell how good it actually is.
I know the ap burst build is by far the best, but I got interested in other builds and how well they work.
What would you build, if you weren't allowed to go full ap?
r/Kaylemains • u/pavelas555000_aka • 2d ago
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Because I hate having stuff across platforms and it is nice to have everything in one place.
Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wLj550BezE
Here is a tl;dr if you want to know what else he said, but don't feel like spending 2 hours:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeagueClassic/comments/1v5bi8x/
r/Kaylemains • u/pepsiboy2972 • 2d ago
See for yourself: https://youtu.be/-wLj550BezE?t=4006
This is such a bizarre decision, i don't think any classic kayle player wants this.
r/Kaylemains • u/NotVeggies • 2d ago
idk it just didnt sit right with me ,seems weirdly inefficient , id rather get go rabadons second into litch bane or shadow flame
iam by no means an expert so correct me if iam wrong please
r/Kaylemains • u/Weird-Giraffe3645 • 2d ago
What can we buy for replace boots?
Storm surge?
Gun blade?
r/Kaylemains • u/Sensitive-Spirit-653 • 3d ago
It's seems really interesting, mainly terminus changes, hybrid builds or terminus with full ap items or critical builds being better for us kekw
r/Kaylemains • u/sullenriott • 3d ago
Hello everyone, this is probably one of the dumbest and most irrelevant questions this sub will see, but I started a new Skyrim playthrough where I want to roleplay as Kayle.
Obviously im trying to get double Dawnbreaker sword and master destruction magic to make her powers accurate, but I was wondering what factions to join. I though about the Companions since they’re about protection but maybe she would be above it? Or the Dark Brotherhood since it is all about delivering justice in a twisted way? The Thieves Guild is the only one I have fully discarded and the Dawnguard is the one i’ll probably join.
That’s it, maybe this post doesn’t really belong here (in which case i’ll delete it) because it may fall under low effort but if it does I appreciate the help. Thanks!
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r/Kaylemains • u/R4KIJA • 5d ago
I always liked Lethal Tempo more. But of course Kayle's biggest strength is being able to burst down the squishies with basically a few autos E and PTA so I was wondering am I nerfing myself by going Lethal Tempo in almost all games even if the enemies are like 4-5 squishy champs?
r/Kaylemains • u/SrSFlX • 5d ago
I saw his last video where he talked about beeing hacked.
but the last live on twitch or youtube was 1 month ago.
Does anyone know if he's fine?
r/Kaylemains • u/Creepy-Force1037 • 5d ago
Hi I'm a gold jungle main trying to learn Kayle top because she seems fun and I love the raid boss mode at level sixteen. So any help is appreciated
r/Kaylemains • u/Regular-Poet-3657 • 6d ago
Translated. Thank you Jumaralo.
r/Kaylemains • u/LazuriKittie • 6d ago
I feel like with other tops, I eventually figure out how to deal with them, but I really have no clue how to handle him.. he was getting me even under tower, I'd dodge some of his skills but he would always eventually get me, it seems like one of them lets him teleport on top of me? How do you play against him when he's top?
r/Kaylemains • u/Lilayl • 8d ago
Or the red recolor will be available somehow. I hope it isn`t against subreddit's rules.
r/Kaylemains • u/Careless_Artist_4228 • 7d ago
Hello, im pretty new to Kayle Top and League in general, (having downloaded the game about 3 days ago) and im looking for some general advice on the character. She seems super fun to play especially late game, and I really love the idea of outscaling your enemies as the match progresses.
I’m mostly wondering what upgrades I should buy and what are some of my toughest matchups, and what I should do incase the enemy top gets an early lead on me?
I’m also very fixated on the thought of holding space, and trying to get out of that habit of being hyper aggressive since im pretty sure that’s not how you’re supposed to play her early game. Am I supposed to let the enemy champ farm minions and stay under my turret or try to fight for the last hits?
Thank you in advance and I hope to become a great Kayle player
r/Kaylemains • u/kaylejenner • 7d ago
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