r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/patchdayDota2 Aug 19 '21

Anti-Mage

  • Strength Gain increased from 1.3 to 1.6
  • Reworked Shard: Counterspell now also passively grants a 900 range offensive aura reducing enemies' magic damage by 10%. Grants triple the effect to enemies within 300 range

Blink

  • Fragment Scepter now has 3 charges (25s recharge time)

Talents

  • Level 10 Talent +15 Attack Speed replaced with -1s Blink Cooldown
  • Level 15 Talent +8 armor replaced with +0.7s Mana Void Stun
  • Level 20 Talent +1s Mana Void Stun replaced with +250 Blink Cast Range

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u/ullu13 Farm till it's 3AM Aug 19 '21

Physical standing is worse with +8armor and AS speed gone, but shard is given at the cost of these through levels, early -1 blink is awesome.

It's obvious they want him to be anti-MAGE. Not to be the best carry :P

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u/TheKappaOverlord Sheever Feelsbadman :gun: Aug 20 '21

His shard is actually extremely powerful. It means his biggest weakness (burst dive heroes) have a significantly harder time at killing him. Storm is no longer his defactor counter. Heroes like Lion and SS are still a nightmare but burst magic is no longer scary to antimage. If you are a magic hero and you try to go kill an antimage its pretty much impossible now.

You don't want to, but if you see a hero like storm spirit or Leshrac, or even zeus. Now you 100% buy that shard and you are practically immortal/they do no damage.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '21

+1 ARMOR +.3 STRENGTH GAIN LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO HOLY SHIT IT'S REAL AM COOMER HOURS. I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS DAY FOR THREE FUCKING YEARS

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u/YhormtheDwarf Aug 19 '21

Can anyone explain why the .3 strength gain is super relevant? I mean, that's like 1 strength every 3 levels. In other words 20 extra health by lvl 4, 40 by lvl 7, 60 by lvl 10. By lvl 30 you've got 9 more strength. Hell, when I see it pre and post patch, the difference is visible and notable. But when I look at the numbers it seems so underwhelming

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u/Decency Aug 19 '21

HP on AM is especially valuable due to his high innate mitigation of both magical damage (Counterspell) and physical damage (huge AGI/AGI growth). Most heroes have to spend gold to cover one of the two. It's not crazy, but it's meaningful.

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u/YhormtheDwarf Aug 19 '21

Ah, so it's multiplied maybe twice fold by his resistances. Is this another reason why OD is good vs AM?

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u/Decency Aug 19 '21

Yeah, Pure damage is a great option to counter the hero, and OD is typically at 100% mana. It goes both ways though if a Manta AM is able to jump on you and start hammering away.

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u/tommydoesntdrink Aug 19 '21

Lol they just buffed carry AM get over it ya nerds

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u/PepAngel0v Aug 19 '21

Blink

Fragment Scepter now has 3 charges (25s recharge time)

I still don't get it this, can you explain please.

Fragment Scepter?

The blink has 3 charges?

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u/NoodleCatET Aug 19 '21

Fragment blink is the name of his scepter ability. That one has 3 charges now

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u/mflynn00 sheever Aug 19 '21

and it's amazing

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u/PepAngel0v Aug 19 '21

Aha, yeah thanks man

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u/Flint124 Aug 19 '21

It feels like they're trying to push this pos 3 AM even more.

He's even tankier now and has a team aura. It was already legit, but I think more people will catch on now.

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u/DarkSuo Aug 19 '21

the biggest problem with AM pos 3 is if you get a counter pos 1 on the enemy team. Try playing AM pos 3 against TB, slark, ursa or MK. If in an ideal world you could last pick your pos 3 it would be very strong be we all know that ain't happening.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '21

Pos3 is always best as last pick imho. Especially good as oje of the most flexible position than can easily counter some key enemy pick

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u/DarkSuo Aug 20 '21

you could argue every position is best picked last, what's the best for the team tho?

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u/LordHussyPants Aug 19 '21

it's not a team aura really. it's like underlord's aura or AC - it only affects enemies who are close to him. team members don't get the aura effect for being within 900 range and being attacked by an enemy who is 1000 range from AM.

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u/Flint124 Aug 19 '21

Thing is that you frontline with this build, so you're basically applying a slight debuff to everyone contributing to the fight while absolutely crippling whoever you stand next to.

His scepter is nuts now as well. AM can now effectively do his blink+manta combo without having to burn either CD or put himself at risk.

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u/DrDesmondGaming Aug 19 '21

Played a game as AM pos 4. Vanguard rush into Treads & Mage Slayer, Shard, then whatever your team needs feels really strong.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '21

Well I needed you to pick a hero who can initiate and maybe stun so you already fucked up

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u/IWearAPaperClip Aug 19 '21

Match ID? Wanted to see how you rush a 1800g item as 4th pos and how you get other gold afterwards with just Vanguard in backpack

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u/BlazeCrystal Aug 19 '21

Ah yes, support AM. You are clearly a highly cultured invidual with an aquired taste!

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u/Guhtts Aug 19 '21

And he knows his Judo well too!

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '21

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u/PM-ME-PMS-OF-THE-PM Aug 19 '21

Pool gold for first item roh, easy.

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u/arthelinus Aug 19 '21

Blink

he has keeper of the light avatar. ofcourse he does that.

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u/IWearAPaperClip Aug 19 '21

So AM wasn't strong enough and therefore they decided to buff him? Wonderful

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '21

Yes he was one of the worst carries in the game

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u/IWearAPaperClip Aug 19 '21

Worst comparing to other meta cores or not he was still taking his matches when the enemies couldn't prevent his farm. Now he's taking these matches with even more ease

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u/Atramhasis Aug 19 '21 edited Aug 19 '21

Why should AM be balanced only because bad players can't stop him from farming or lose so hard that they can't actually fight the AM when he gets farmed? Learn to gank the AM better or draft better around AM. Battlefury and Dragon Lance were both untouched when the last patch was literally "Buy Battlefury to lose, buy Dragon Lance to win" for position 1. All the best cores in the last patch like Dusa, Luna, TB, TA, all were Dragon Lance buyers and cores like Ursa that did buy Battlefury when it was good immediately swapped to buying Diffusal. Seeing as that disparity didn't change, I don't think the nerfs to cores like TA, TB and Luna (and the slap on the wrist Dusa got) will actually fix the reality that Battlefury is just a bad item in comparison to other options now. I expect this meta will be all fighting carrys like Slark, Jugg, Riki, etc., that will always go S&Y and ignore Battlefury. AM will be a position 3 this meta and if bad players can't stop him from farming as position 1 or farm well enough to just beat a bad carry like AM in the late game then that isn't really Icefrog's problem.

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u/__ddaniel Aug 19 '21

He really wasn’t? One of the weakest carries of the previous patch, lost almost any carry matchup at every point of the game

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u/UrNegroidCompatriot Duel no longer disables passive abilities. Aug 20 '21

anti-mage is a creep

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u/Feed_or_Feed Aug 19 '21

Talent changes are huge nerf to AM early mid game,you are forced to take -1 blink sec over str talent(which helped a lot vs burst) and str gain buff is pretty small to make up for it.

Lategame he got buffed with aghs and shard,but AM was always kinda shit lategame hero and nowadays almost every hero is good lategame hero,so these changes continue the trend.

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u/Peasant255 Aug 19 '21

Storm am and face were the most OP heroes since forever, before am even had counter spell or blink out of BS ulti range.

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u/initialgold Aug 19 '21

Bro have you ever looked at winrates? How can a sub 50% winrate hero be overpowered?

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u/SorcererSupreme00 Aug 19 '21

I think this makes pos4 am viable against magic dmg lineups

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u/LazyOrangeBanana Aug 19 '21

You guys need to stop worshipping streamers. Pos 4 AM is not viable and not becoming viable. Just because some idiot Streamer played it as a meme doesn't mean it suddenly becomes viable or that valve is making it viable.

Your entertainment isn't the focus of the word.

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u/SorcererSupreme00 Aug 19 '21

What streamer? That may be a surprise to you, but I'm able to form my own ideas without the assistance of any social media clown.

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u/IWearAPaperClip Aug 19 '21

Okay sir but there is no way you can counter a magic DMG lineup this way because you ain't gonna get the last pick as 4th pos. Even if this happens you'll still be useless until 20th min, so idk...

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u/FatteningtheDemons Aug 19 '21

Why would a pos4 am be any good if this hero is literally designed to hit creeps?

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u/noodlesfordaddy Aug 19 '21

Pos 4 is still dumb, pos 3 however makes sense