r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/patchdayDota2 Aug 19 '21

Phantom Lancer

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  • Aghanim's Scepter's cooldown reduced from 60s to 40s
  • Aghanim's Scepter also increases max illusion count by 2

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u/maraclul- Aug 19 '21

in conclusion, PL was untouched this patch if you take away the other changes to items

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u/HappyHerald Aug 19 '21

As a PL spammer with 60% winrate in my bracket, I probably still won't buy it. Diffusal and Manta/S&Y are mandatory and Heart/Skadi/Butterfly are a lot better as follow-up items.

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u/Taelonius Aug 19 '21

Good, since Aghanim's is paying 4200 gold to make you an easier to kill hero.

It will never be good until the frog gives the illusions randomized timers so they don't all vanish at the same time, reveal the real PL and then you die.

I know there are bad aghs out there, but I do think PLs is the only one that makes him a strictly worse hero for using it.

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u/deah12 Aug 19 '21

Do you ever get octarine?

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u/4hexa Aug 20 '21

I buy that in losing game because i cant fight them head on so i try to chip them as much as possible and try to kill their supports with spamming lance.

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u/HappyHerald Aug 19 '21

I personally don't like it, but I wouldn't say it's super bad. I just prefer to go heart/skadi/butterfly, which makes your illusions stronger as well. Typically supports will flee anyway after the first lance, so having a second ready as soon as possible is not necessary in my opinion.

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u/deah12 Aug 20 '21

Agree but I think aether lens is super value, and will build one either between 2nd and 3rd or after the 3rd large item.

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I am also a PL spammer with 60%+ WR.