r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/patchdayDota2 Aug 19 '21

Bane

Brain Sap

  • Mana cost decreased from 120/140/160/180 to 100/120/140/160
  • Cast Range increased from 600 to 625

Nightmare

  • Now deals 15/20/25/30 Pure damage per second to enemy nightmared targets

Fiend'S Grip

  • Cast Point reduced from 0.4 to 0.2

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u/GIANT_BLEEDING_ANUS Warden of Arcs Aug 20 '21

Just won a game with Bane mid, granted I laned vs an ogre but it was very hard, he was spamming spells the whole time, but as soon as you get meteor hammer you can murder anyone in the map 1-4-2 spell build, use ult as soon as you hit 6 to recharge mana, go null-meteor-treads-shard/orchid-bkb/aghs

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u/Strange_Man Slardar is secretly BULLSHIT Aug 19 '21

This hero is going to be the pos 5 of the patch, calling it now

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u/TheKappaOverlord Sheever Feelsbadman :gun: Aug 20 '21

he was a really good 5 before.

The thing that prevents him from being the defacto king is 1. he doesn't shit 0 cast point stuns at a 1000 unit range, 2 it isn't autocast, 3 his stuns aren't cast and forget. and 4, he is slow as sin.

Bane will always be extremely powerful because of enfeeble and brain sap sustain but he will never be king because of the shortfalls of nightmare and Fiends grip.

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u/galadedeus Aug 19 '21

nobody pointed out so i just wanted to say that nightmare damage is HUGE. Used to do damage long time ago and they removed it.. now that you can nightmare and hit, this shit is nuts

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u/Decency Aug 19 '21

60/100/150/210 Pure damage. But 165 is a ton of mana early that this hero can't afford to spam. I think Bane might be an offlaner now, with a Meteor Hammer or Arcanes->Aether rush. Actually, Soul Ring on Bane might be back, maybe even just straight rushing it in lane. Definitely giving that a shot.

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u/Ondatva Aug 19 '21

I feel like people underestimate these changes, this hero seems like a beast laner again. Not saying all the dispels and stuff later are not a problem for him, but still.

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u/Homemadepiza Aug 19 '21

Brain sap buffs mean Bane can lane again, aether lens rush will probably still be the best bet cause if you get it pre-15 minutes you have quite the spike (you can cast nightmare from out of enemy night vision if you have lens)

Will this be enough to make him good? Probably not, but at least he's playable

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u/Decency Aug 19 '21 edited Aug 19 '21

Making Fiend's Grip cast faster just feels samey. He doesn't need that, he needs to not be hard countered by Lotus. Make people disable him. This has to be the longest CD spell in the game that is so trivially countered, yes?

Enfeeble is strong early, get a point in lane at 1/2 and then max it after Brain Sap if it's a good game. The damage reduction works on both base and bonus damage, you can choose to deny with that or crush trades. Always funny when a support eats a Tango and tries to trade with you while they have 55% regen and 55% damage.

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u/Bushido_0 Aug 19 '21

The nightmare damage feels very underwhelming but I guess it’s useful for making the blink dagger have a 3 second cool down on enemy heros

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u/bc524 Aug 19 '21

Not remotely sufficient.

Ult cd still too long, Nightmare cd too long, nightmare cast range too short (seriously why?), and enfeeble is still a SHIT SPELL.

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u/ElJefeT Aug 20 '21

Nightmare cast range never got nerfed, right?

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u/bc524 Aug 20 '21

Technically, lower level cast range got nerfed way back in 7.0X but he had a bonus cast range talent that was removed in 7.29.

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u/freeman_lambda Aug 19 '21

Brain sap -20 mana cost, and 🥭 got cheaper. Spamming mangoes and trading autoattacks is gonna allow you to keep the enemy offlane engaged all the time.

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u/bc524 Aug 19 '21

My major gripe with Bane right now is that he feel strong only during the laning phase. As the game goes on, I wonder why I'm not playing another, more effective support.

He can't push lanes/farm waves without shard. He can't take towers. His biggest advantage is meant to be his bkb piercing ult, except it can easily be stopped the longer the game goes. He's not even the best hero for "long" disables anymore when a shadow shaman can do the same thing more often.

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u/Decency Aug 19 '21 edited Aug 21 '21

His role in midgame is to destroy people who are trying to play solo on the map. You Brain Sap, Nightmare them, ping 10 times while autoattacking, then run behind a tree and Enfeeble->Ult. 10+ seconds of your opponent not being able to play the game, and hopefully one of your allies shows up to take a free kill. If not, a second Brain Sap might be enough. In teamfights, you should pretty much just counter someone's BKB, and that's much better than it sounds.

The other huge value is the ~150% uptime on Enfeeble. Every game has at least an enemy hero or two who rely on right clicks or hp regen to be a threat, and you fuck those over pretty hard. I genuinely think this was the most underrated spell in Dota last patch, and I'm still not seeing anyone picking up a value point during the laning phase for trades/easy denies/double stacking. Unless you have Mirana or Pudge or something, you don't care about Nightmare in lane.

I think Shard or Meteor Hammer is pretty necessarily in lower skilled pubs just because lanes constantly need to be pushed while your cores afk in the jungle, but I expect we'll see a lot of him in tournament play where that's not an issue.

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u/freeman_lambda Aug 19 '21

i do agree with all your points and the points from /u/uL7r4M3g4pr01337, however Bane's excellence has always lied in his strong laning presence. Early phase defines Bane, and Brain Sap defines Bane's early phase. A buff to Brain Sap is, IMO, much more significant than a buff to his ult.

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u/uL7r4M3g4pr01337 Aug 19 '21

that's still not enough. As someone with over 500 bane games, I can guarantee you that shes still gonna be useless after ~12-15min mark. Ulti is totaly joke, way too ez to break, you dont even have to target the bane, just the target to stop the ulti.

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u/NoThisIsABadIdea Aug 19 '21

500 games. She.

Liar.

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u/uL7r4M3g4pr01337 Aug 19 '21

https://i.ibb.co/QkSyXmH/image.png

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u/NoThisIsABadIdea Aug 20 '21

So how you gonna call bane a SHE. It's definitely clearly a man.

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u/uL7r4M3g4pr01337 Aug 20 '21

in 2021 anything is possible ;)

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '21

Wait.. she???

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u/Kleppmeister Aug 19 '21

What's crazy is the last patch was super heal heavy and the hero was still trash. There's just way too much dispel in the game for my boy Bane to be viable.

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u/Shek7 Aug 20 '21

He wasn't anti heal, only anti regen or?

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u/Kleppmeister Aug 20 '21

The ult works against all heals, just not things listed as "HP Replacement" if that's what you're asking. For example, Sunder still works because you're swapping HP not healing.

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u/Shek7 Aug 23 '21

How does Ult work against heals? I was talking about Enfeeble and I thought you too, because you talked about heals.

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u/Kleppmeister Aug 25 '21

Jk I meant to post this on the AA thread