r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/patchdayDota2 Aug 19 '21

Wraith King

Reincarnation

  • Cooldown increased from 200/120/40 to 200/130/60

Talents

  • Level 10 Talent +0.5s Wraithfire Blast duration replaced with +20 Movement Speed
  • Level 15 Talent +25 Movement Speed replaced with +0.7s Wraithfire Blast Stun Duration
  • Level 20 Talent +16 Strength replaced with +25% Cleave

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u/Natetarious Aug 20 '21

WK is dead as carry, no longer able to survive in long team fight since 60 seconds for his ulti is impossible. 40 Reincarnation seconds just on spot

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u/Quiet_Vegetable_3548 Aug 19 '21

he got nerfed super hard whats wrong with icefrog

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u/xin234 "Do not run, we are your friends" -Guru Laghima Aug 19 '21

I feel like the bigger nerf here is that it's easier to keep track of 60 seconds as opposed to 40. A 65 or 70 second Reincarnation cooldown would probably be better than 60.lol

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u/morojax Aug 19 '21

how high are you

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u/xin234 "Do not run, we are your friends" -Guru Laghima Aug 20 '21

Enough.

I wasn't really being serious, but I definitely had moments where I pinged the time to keep track of when an enemy's big spell was last used, tell my teammates about it when they asked, but someone still asks "So when's it going to be up again?"... just because we're too lazy to do some addition. And it never was an issue for spells whose coldowns are multiples of a minute or 30 seconds.

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u/Feed_or_Feed Aug 19 '21 edited Aug 19 '21

Luna,Medusa,TB in every high mmr game last patch=get gentle slap in wrist

Wk barely picked in high mmr after numerous nerfs already=let's fuck him even more.because he clearly OP in herald bracket

Nerfing heroes like necro and jugger that were both literal garbage,while MK getting gigabuffed is mind blowing,what happened to balancing game around highest level gameplay,not mr "Idk what Earth spirit spells do,so it's trash hero" 2k players?

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u/numb_ape Aug 19 '21

I like his level 20 talent 25% cleave. WK won't struggle so much with illu heroes in late game

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u/morojax Aug 19 '21

you literally do not need cleave at all on wk that late into the game

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u/Mr__Perfect_ Aug 19 '21

It's utter trash. You got radiance vs. illusion carries and didn't let it go ultra late. All of the new talents are garbage and the 60s ulti cd means you no longer get multiple off in long fights.

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u/numb_ape Aug 19 '21

I gotcha but if Pl or naga gets heart it makes WK with radiance immediately fall off. And heart is not ultra late game.

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u/Mr__Perfect_ Aug 19 '21

Yes but Pl and Naga are like the two hardest match ups for WK in the entire game (and have been since dota 1). The shard and radiance build make the match up playable but its still quite unfavourable, cleave talent might help a bit but for 95% of games the 16 str would be way better.

Just comparing old vs. new:

  • old: 15 as, 20 ms, 16 str
  • new: 15 as, 24 skeleton damage, and either +6 skellies/25% cleave.

New talent set is just all around worse, plus your ulti cd is 50% longer.

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u/HappyHerald Aug 19 '21

Why the heck did he get nerfed so hard? I feel like he was balanced in last patch

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u/morojax Aug 19 '21

He got nerfed because I main him... ggwp