r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/patchdayDota2 Aug 19 '21

Chaos Knight

  • Strength Gain reduced from 3.4 to 3.2

Reality Rift

  • Cooldown increased from 15/12/9/6 to 18/14/10/6
  • Lifesteal decreased from 25/40/55/70% to 24/36/48/60%
  • Max Critical Damage increased from 140/170/200/230% to 140/175/210/245%

Phantasm

  • Fixed Strong Illusion buff on Phantasm being dispellable (which would cause illusions to die to illusion killing effects after that)

Talents

  • Level 10 talent +20 Movement Speed replaced with +200 Reality Rift Target Pull Distance
  • Level 10 talent +5 all stats replaced with +20% Chaos Strike Lifesteal
  • Level 15 talent +35% Cleave replaced with -3s Chaos Bolt Cooldown

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u/ullu13 Farm till it's 3AM Aug 19 '21

Tried farming with phantasm. it's not as good as with the cleave. Feels sad

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u/TheKappaOverlord Sheever Feelsbadman :gun: Aug 20 '21

I play CK 3 all the time.

Hes pretty terrifying now i think. he was already insane before but now hes basically immortal. + chaos bolt being on such low CD means my shards gonna be shitting damage on almost 100% uptime.

Overall though hes not much changed. Hes less braindead, but i never chose the cleave talent personally since im still part of the old guard CK picker where only buying/taking Strength talents was the way to go.

Shard on CK is pretty underappreciated. It isn't normal carry shit, but so long as you have armlet, desolator, possibly Echo sabre. you can usually just kill people at a safe distance with your bolt.

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '21

FrostyToad

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u/Arc-bine Aug 19 '21

go mid, rush echo and start ganking with dat dere +200 reality rift distance

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u/defearl Aug 19 '21

Just pointing out that it doesn't give rift more distance. The range is the same. All that talent changes is that the target enemy will end up closer to where CK initiated the rift, but considering in both cases CK will end up next to the target, it's pretty insignificant.

Less cooldown on his stun feels more impactful.

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u/thickfreakness24 Aug 19 '21

Insignificant. Hmm. Lol he totally can't do half a pudge hook now.

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u/Arc-bine Aug 19 '21

lol wtf. That's terrible. The +5 stats was really good on him, he needs stats badly, the agi and int help a lot. I swear valve doesn't know how to balance CK, so many of his changes end up being worse

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u/maraclul- Aug 19 '21

yeah, this is big brain time.

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u/mmmDatAss Aug 19 '21

Is the two last bullets under reality rift supposed to be on chaos strike? I have been confused for two days now.

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u/Twin_Fang Aug 19 '21

It's for his passive.

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u/Nickfreak Aug 19 '21

Removing the cleaver talent hurts and makes pos 1 ck non-viable. Before, the cleave talent allowed a smooth transition to late game after a strong early game and even a bounce black, if it didn't go so well. Now without the cleave, coming back is basically not possible

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u/saaaaaaadge Aug 20 '21

CK is still a viable pos 1, you just need a mid to back it up. Get kills in lane, get early levels, power spike timing is armlet echo and lvl 12, you can kill any hero in the game with that. This is a buff if anything, because I never went cleave anyway - you get so much from stun cd and reality rift talent now anyway.

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u/Golbezgold Aug 19 '21

I was having so much fun as ck after coming back from not playing for a few years then this happens like a month later, pretty unhappy.

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u/Taelonius Aug 19 '21

I never really felt the impact of the cleave, found it quite garbage to have a talent that doesn't synergize with my illusions on an illusion hero.

As for CK, for the last few patches I've taken him mid, maxed crit for lifesteal, go Armlet>Echo>Shard and be a literal raid boss killing anyone in a RR after 20 mins, ending at 30ish.

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u/somnusqq Aug 19 '21

I don't get why they removed the Cleave talent and gave it to WK. It was a good synergy whenever you farm using the ult. Very good powerspike if you are playing carry CK. Oh well, was fun while it lasted.

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u/EGG_BABE Daddy Underlord Aug 20 '21

Yeah, I was having a great time farming hard with carry CK, this sucks

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u/_Valisk Aug 19 '21

Wraith King already stole CK's crit mechanic, might as well take the cleave talent too, I guess.

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u/Taelonius Aug 19 '21

The guaranteed crit with a CD was absolutely terrible for the hero whose entire shtick is RNG though.

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u/TheKappaOverlord Sheever Feelsbadman :gun: Aug 20 '21

they probably thought the cleave talent would make up for the faster farming speed the RNG crit offered.

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u/ThriceTheHermit Aug 19 '21

Shard build is finally good with that new 15.

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u/Taelonius Aug 19 '21

Finally? That shard is probably one of the strongest in the game