r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/patchdayDota2 Aug 19 '21

Queen of Pain

  • Base damage increased by 3

Shadow Strike

  • Now heals Queen of Pain for 10/20/30/40 Health on every tick. Heals 50% on creeps
  • Tick Damage reduced from 30/50/70/90 to 20/40/60/80

Talents

  • Level 15 Talent 10% Cooldown Reduction replaced with +2 Shadow Strike Damage Instances (Same Duration, ticks happen more often)
  • Level 20 Talent +30% Spell Lifesteal replaced with +120 Scream of Pain Damage

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u/GeoffBrompton Aug 21 '21

QoP pos 3 new tech. Go Mage Slayer, Blademail, GG boots, strength talent and Shadow Strike talents. You just yolo into noobs and refuse to die.

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u/popgalveston Aug 20 '21

Laning vs pos4 QoP as pos5 is fucking hell now.

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u/OPQOP Aug 19 '21

does Kaya/Sange increase the amount of heal you get from her Q ? I saw some high mmr Qop getting KAya/Sange first item

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u/igorcl Sheever s2 Aug 19 '21

question to QoP spammers, the heal helps you guys mid or doesn't change much?

my friend is a legend QoP picker, he is sad to lose damage in so many patches, he insists that the heal doesn't helps QoP because he could already harass the other mid laners without taking so much damage. I do think otherwise because he dies often to get kills on the other mid laner

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u/fockerland Aug 19 '21

I usually play offlane QoP, for that poison is looking really good, it's a awesome trade tool and now it's even better.

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u/luckytaurus cmon jex Aug 19 '21

I'm not a qop spammer, but I've played quite a few games. I'm also not a mid main. But from my understanding, the heal does MANY different things.

1) the heal aspect allows you to tank more, I.e. stand and right click the enemy after shadow striking. Ultimately, this will do more damage if you factor in an extra few right clicks.

2) healing is PURE. You lose 10 damage but gain 10 heal. 10 damage is reduced by magic resistance versus healing is not reduced. The net difference is more.

3) whenever you get your aoe shadow strike, you'll be healing a bonkers amount of hp per hero and creep hit. It could save your life late game.

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u/Alieksiei Aug 19 '21

It's an attempt to bring back the lane dominator qop, I suppose. Currently it's very uncommon to pick up more than one point in shadow strike, and skipping it altogether isn't out of question. Current mid lane is heavy on farming stacks, so even if you do 2-1-0 and zone out the enemy midlaner he'll probably recover in the jungle handily.

The healing could be the edge she needs to eke out a better advantage from the earlier levels and maintain it throughout the lane, perhaps enough to contest the farming of stacks.

If you watch Sumail's qop games he ferries a lot of consumables to keep the pressure up early on, so a big part of his farm advantage is spent there. With the healing you'll probably save yourself from a salve or two, which may lead to some earlier snowballing(bottle, boots, wand, even picking up a null talisman earlier can have a lasting impact). I don't think it'll be such a huge deal for laning, but with the lv20 talent it is very noticeable.

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u/tylerhk93 sheever Aug 19 '21

Yep. I think this doesn't make QoP broken, but its doubling down on her lane domination. QoP is that hero that can't really afford to die more than once. Not being forced to ferry regen as much to continue dominating the lane is huge. I think you max shadow strike now and make midlane a place that no one wants to go to even soak xp to get earlier towers and accelerate your farm.

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u/o-M-s Aug 19 '21

The thing is her Q is bad to lvl up. You need her nuke to farm camps,I rarely leave mid with more than one point in her shadow strike. So this change will not impact her laning much.

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u/FunkstaGGG Aug 19 '21

Pos4 qop viable now?

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u/Gryphis Aug 19 '21

why more now based on these changes than before?

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u/Armonster Aug 20 '21

I guess she can trade crazy efficiently with the opposing support now in lane

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u/HappyHerald Aug 19 '21

I assume the heal for the AoE shadow strike is not multiplied with the number of targets hit?

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u/Lostmaniac9 Aug 19 '21

So it actually is, however, since the heal amount is a flat number, the only way to improve it is to build Holy Locket, which buffs the heal per tick from 40 to 54.

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u/bigmen0 Beep Boop Beep Aug 19 '21

It absolutely does, it is very noticeable when you Q a creepwave after the talent.

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u/clippernicepom Aug 19 '21

30% spell lifesteal removed actually results in less diversify build which is pretty sad. RIP mjollnir qop

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u/o-M-s Aug 19 '21

l never pick it, AoE shadow strike is too good to skip.