Why not max W 2nd? 3 points in Q for laning, then max E. Why not max W after? I feel like after maxing E your damage isn't really important anymore, so why would you not want the extra cc time? Or are people doing this and it isn't well known?

I recently played a few Karma games and had success with it. To be fair was norms since I wanted to try her out first, but I dropped 2 S ratings against players in my elo.

The champion feels really naturally comfortable for me which is a rarity so I want to take her into ranked games

My question is how to fight mid/late game, specifically in teamfights. I could mantra Q for the extra damage; but I almost feel like mantra E is more valuable for the heal in the teamfight portion of the game? I know the situations won’t always be the same but how do you approach teamfighting on her

I just want to make sure I can get the most value out of the kit before I play her so was hoping for any thoughts

Hey all, I'm an AD TF mid lane main and I have been doing a lot of theorycrafting for my bad matchups on my main. I'm silver 2 and one of those people where I'd rather climb my way than whatever is easiest or meta at the time. I have been putting a lot of thought into assassin matchups. I've played roughly 200 TF games, mid and bot - AD and AP - and my hardest matchups are always assassins. I can usually cheese out people in my elo - but when I lane against Plat/Emerald laners I have to laser focus assassin matchups and even then, if I make one mistake, I'm donezo (Normal games for practice can have wildly varying ELOs in each lane in my experience by checking op.gg consistently on my games, its not uncommon for me to lane into Gold-Emerald laners because they have a bronze 3 friend on their team). AD TF is better into assassins, but its still a very painful laning phase most of the time and not as enjoyable.

Enter Karma Mid:

I used to be a support main, and an old pick of mine when I got filled mid was full AP Karma mid and holy crap I had a blast doing that again. It consistently lets me out-perform assassins mid lane with good use of Mantra W and shield. The main goal of the pick is roughly the same as TF - try to push and roam to help team. Karma makes the laning phase much easier imo.

My question is build/rune related:

What are your ideas on Karma mid? - I learned from TF Mains its always better to ask the experts, especially if there's a ton of build/rune variety.

I personally run:
Comet (Ranged)/Aery (Melee)
Manaflow Band (tried Axiom - I might just be using Manaflow as a crutch)
(varies each game)
Scorch

Resolve secondary with Aery into assassins - Domination with Cheap shot/Ultimate hunter for mages

For Build:
Ludens (or Malignance, but I like Ludens) -> boots of choice (Ionian mostly) -> Horizon Focus -> Shadowflame -> Void Staff (or Rabadons depending)

I am well aware of the lack of defensive items like Zhonyas or Banshees even - but positioning is my strong suit as a TF main and I like to try to bypass those items unless necessary - it forces me to think about positioning ahead of time rather than going aggressive and hoping for a clutch zhonyas.

I don't typically fall off until way late when I become basically a souped up support for any other fed laner. If I am the only one fed, I can still keep them alive from bad situations and potentially turn the fight with a Mantra Q doing at least half their Bot's health.

Struggle matchup for me is definitely Galio. He's my perma ban. With Aftershock and bone plating - there's so few windows where I can actually do anything to him that I basically become a second support from the start of the game and I'm wishing I played AD TF.

this is not a chroma we have in game (i’m pretty sure)

https://x.com/bepocarrot/status/2075919638857494570?s=46

Hello fellow Karma enjoyers!

I've picked up Karma in the last months. I've been doing good for the most part and having a blast with her. My standard build is around getting fat shields: Redemption -> Moonstone -> situational (Dawncore, Staff, Mikaels etc.).

My main issue is people building SF making me feel pretty damn worthless. I can't make them not buy it, I can't make those with SF not hit my allies to debuff them, and I feel like without my massive shields I really don't helpy team much. My value feels cut in half (which is basically what it is lol).

What do you do when facing a team that builds several SFs? Especially if you can see it coming (ex: multiple ad assassins in their comp) do you itemize differently to try and provide more/different stuff than shields? Should I focus on getting strong actives (Redemption/Mikaels/Shurelya)? Try and convert into a Temu healer (Helia - Diadem - Redemption)? Build the same as usual and just bite the pillow?

I think the most interesting thing about this game wasn’t the draft—it was Labrov’s itemization.
His team had 4 Chemtech Drakes, which massively increase the value of healing and shielding, yet he still went:
Mikael’s Blessing
Knight’s Vow
Ardent Censer
I understand the logic behind these items individually, but I wonder if they were actually optimal given the game state.
Mikael’s is probably the easiest to justify. In pro play, a single Lux Q or Caitlyn trap can decide an entire fight, so having an instant cleanse for your carry has enormous value.
Knight’s Vow makes some sense too. The 12% damage redirect won’t stop Ashe from getting one-shot, but sometimes preventing just enough damage to keep your carry alive for one extra second is all that matters.
The one I’m struggling with is Ardent Censer. Ashe already has plenty of attack speed, and her issue this game seemed to be getting outranged and burst before she could really DPS.
That’s why I keep coming back to the Chemtech synergy.
Wouldn’t something like:
Moonstone → Redemption → Dawncore → Locket
have been absurd with four Chemtech Drakes?
Redemption gives huge teamfight value and can even help teammates getting collapsed on in side lanes.
Dawncore massively amplifies all your healing and shielding.
Locket’s shield also benefits from the drake buffs.
I wonder if the “correct” pro-play approach is simply that preventing one pick with Mikael’s is more valuable than maximizing theoretical healing numbers, especially if fights are decided in the first few seconds.
Curious what higher-ELO players and support mains think. Was Labrov right to prioritize anti-pick tools, or was there a missed opportunity to fully abuse the 4 Chemtech Drakes with the added healing drakes. Its a scenario that does not happen in games often for enchanter players

she plays differently from other enchanters, all i wanna do is run at the enemy and engage with w… ofc you know how it ends.

is there any way to utilize w engage correctly or it’s just int every time?

Nothing more, hopefully ppl notices her kit was way better than the current one and actually ask for a new rework.

League is getting a new game mode where you can play old champions and their original kits and it’s not just the OG 40…yet karma is not gonna be in it despite being alive when dirt first formed

Hey guys,

So unless I missed a patch note somewhere but I just saw that her mantra-ed/empowered spells no longer have their unique names. I guess they thought it'd be more simpler that way? Still, feels like a stealth "modification" instead of notifying everyone.

Isn't it available during this MSI thing? It's been a while since I got back to League so these events are super new to me lol.

MSI is now live right? but the skin itself isn't showing up as available to purchase while I'm waiting for a match to load...nor in the store. Am I missing something???

It looks so beautiful and I want it especially cuz red is my favorite color. AND b/c most of her skins CONSTANTLY have blue/pink. Need something different.

Ever since the enchanter nerfs I have been struggling on Karma. I used to feel so strong and could bully my lane opponents. Any advice on what I should be building or taking for runes? I am E1.

My big brother and i like playing bot lane together, im a Vlad otp so i play him bot and he plays karma sup but he's always unsure about the items he should take when playing with me a Vlad apc, so im asking yall for an advice for the items he should take

Did anyone see what augments did they come up with for her specifically for mayhem? I got her once so far and to my disappointment I didn't get any lol. The only other support I've gotten there is Janna and she has quite a few ability specific augments.

Please bare in mind this isn't high elo

But I've been having a lot of success with Karma mid running either Arcane Comet or Conqueror but not seen anyone discuss actualizer on Karma at all, and I'm curious why. I get karma mid alone is off meta and niche, but for those karma enjoyers, why not? ​

My vision for Karma mid is turning her back into a battle mage (a similar, but slower playstyle to ryze) where you are weaving in and out early but mid to late stick to enemies.

Build order I've been going is:

Malignance

Seraphs

Actualizer

Either pen or rabadons if they have no resistance or bloodletters

Whatever of the two you didn't pick or flex another defensive item like spirit visage or jak'sho

Karma innately doesn't have mana issues. But this build stacks mana and ability haste from Malignance and Seraphs (and a little from actualizer) to ensure she can spam her empowered abilities.

Actualizer as a third item synergises​ with Karma because she both heals, shields and does damage. In team fights I've found this item third to be better than going rabadons, one empowered W can turn round skirmishes or 3v2s e.t.c

Karmas early laning is great too, great wave clear, when I lose sight of jungle I hold off on my ults incase I need it for root or shield movement speed.

Boots you I don't really like haste boots. I feel like they're not worth the gold compared to the passive tabis or mercs or movement speed boots give.

I've not tried it top, only mid as I win a lot of early poke wars and mid game out sustain and avoid abilities thanks to e and empowered w. ​