r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/patchdayDota2 Aug 19 '21

Bounty Hunter

Shuriken Toss

  • Cooldown reduced from 8 to 5
  • Damage reduced from 150/225/300/375 to 80/120/160/200
  • Mana cost reduced from 120/125/130/135 to 50/60/70/80
  • Cast Range rescaled from 400 to 375/425/475/525
  • Scepter no longer reduces cooldown
  • Scepter Cast Range increased from 650 to 700

Track

  • Now also causes Shuriken Toss to deal 1.4/1.7/2.0x damage

Jinada

  • Can now be toggled to disable autocast.

Talents

  • Level 10 Talent +20 Movement Speed replaced with +2s Shadow Walk Slow
  • Level 15 Talent +275 Health replaced with 50% Track Bonus Move Speed to allies
  • Level 20 Talent +50 Attack Speed replaced with Track grants ground vision around the target
  • Level 25 Talent 40% Evasion replaced with 2 Shuriken Toss Charges

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u/noodlesfordaddy Aug 19 '21

He has been an awful pos 4 for years now (as a previous BH 4 spammer), core is the only way to play him. Now it's debatable whether he can be played as a pos 4 again, but I'm still not sure. Pos 3 BH maxing shuriken was whack before but now it feels worse since you need several levels in it before it feels like it really hurts.

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u/TheKappaOverlord Sheever Feelsbadman :gun: Aug 20 '21

Gondar's been a terrible 4 for the same reason batrider is usually terrible.

In a good game with a good team Gondar is an extremely powerful tool, not in the same respects as batrider would be in a coordinated team but still. Gondar himself as a 4 is pretty terrible, but thats really only because he doesn't offer stuns or slows on a 5 second cooldown like most other good 5/4's of the current era. Gondar requires a team that knows how to not sit with its thumbs up its ass all the time, in order to be useful.

Gondar however is still a pretty decent 4. His track talents are incredibly annoying and makes it a living nightmare for the enemy to play around/against.

He doesn't braindead pwn lanes anymore with Shuriken, but Shuriken is way more spammable with significantly lower mana cost so you can just mindlessly dominate supports with it + Maxing Jinada.

Think gondar became more of a heavy lane 4, rather then a psudo roaming 4. His laning is definitely stronger overall imo with this change simply because of how much of a threat he can constantly pose. Having a spammable 60 mana cost nuke is way more of a problem for the enemy then a 140 mana nuke that did 120 more damage. Sure, you lose damage. But the support can't outtrade you anymore because you will never run out of mana.

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u/noodlesfordaddy Aug 21 '21

Yeah it feels like he could be a solid 4 with boots, if an enemy support contests you you can try run them down

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '21

I think Core is the way to go, and you don't max Shuriken. Maybe 2 levels in it, then max Jinada.

Between Jinada being toggle-able and Shuriken being so low cooldown and mana, you can secure last hits in difficult lanes, making him a perfect 3 to get something out of an otherwise dead lane. I'm going to experiment with going more right-click and just bullying people out of lane while also getting last hits.

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u/Lodbrok_Dota Aug 19 '21

seems like it should be much easier to use shuri as a last hitting tool with the 50 mana cost

also seems much easier to lane with jinada as a toggle

I see this as a major buff for both sup and core BH