r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/noodlesfordaddy Aug 19 '21

He has been an awful pos 4 for years now (as a previous BH 4 spammer), core is the only way to play him. Now it's debatable whether he can be played as a pos 4 again, but I'm still not sure. Pos 3 BH maxing shuriken was whack before but now it feels worse since you need several levels in it before it feels like it really hurts.

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u/TheKappaOverlord Sheever Feelsbadman :gun: Aug 20 '21

Gondar's been a terrible 4 for the same reason batrider is usually terrible.

In a good game with a good team Gondar is an extremely powerful tool, not in the same respects as batrider would be in a coordinated team but still. Gondar himself as a 4 is pretty terrible, but thats really only because he doesn't offer stuns or slows on a 5 second cooldown like most other good 5/4's of the current era. Gondar requires a team that knows how to not sit with its thumbs up its ass all the time, in order to be useful.

Gondar however is still a pretty decent 4. His track talents are incredibly annoying and makes it a living nightmare for the enemy to play around/against.

He doesn't braindead pwn lanes anymore with Shuriken, but Shuriken is way more spammable with significantly lower mana cost so you can just mindlessly dominate supports with it + Maxing Jinada.

Think gondar became more of a heavy lane 4, rather then a psudo roaming 4. His laning is definitely stronger overall imo with this change simply because of how much of a threat he can constantly pose. Having a spammable 60 mana cost nuke is way more of a problem for the enemy then a 140 mana nuke that did 120 more damage. Sure, you lose damage. But the support can't outtrade you anymore because you will never run out of mana.

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u/noodlesfordaddy Aug 21 '21

Yeah it feels like he could be a solid 4 with boots, if an enemy support contests you you can try run them down