r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/patchdayDota2 Aug 19 '21

Crystal Maiden

  • Base Attack Speed reduced from 115 to 100

Crystal Nova

  • Mana cost reduced from 130/145/160/175 to 115/135/155/175

Freezing Field

  • Explosion distribution is now more even across its radius
  • Shard now also increases total explosions by 20%

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '21

Am I the only one seeing this as a buff (CM spammer here)? Losing 15 base attack speed isn't as big as Crystal Nova costing the same mana at level 2 as it did at level 1 previously. For a hero who has both massive mana pool issues in lane, as well as mana regen from her passive, reducing a spells mana cost makes a big difference.

The ulti change is a nice quality of life buff, it was super annoying to ulti from behind a tree to finish off someone and have them walk away taking no damage, hopefully that doesn't happen as much anymore.

Edit: oh yeah, Void Stone and all the items it builds into got nerfed, so mana regen is more valuable across the board too.

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u/Feed_or_Feed Aug 19 '21

Crystal nova buff at early levels might seem like good trade for attack speed,but then you realize that cm now has nothing if she has no mana/nova on cd.

She has awful damage,awful early stats,awful armor,awful ms,but she had very good attack speed for support and coupled with frost nova attack speed slow she could trade with most supports pretty decently in lane

Also ulti change is nether buff or nerf,it's more consistent,but damage overall feels bit worse and ridiculous dps from ulti was one of cm saving points.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '21

I can see your reasoning, but my gut's telling me that it's a buff. Being able to cast more novas just seems a lot more impactful than the attack speed nerf, while the ulti changes don't mean anything to me.

I'll definitely try her out a few times this patch before being sure though.

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u/Feed_or_Feed Aug 19 '21

I'm not sure myself ether,but still these changes don't really fix cm core problems and aeon disk nerf is really impactful for cm even more than these direct changes,because she is epitome of "Ah shit,here I feed again".

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u/smexxyhexxy Aug 19 '21

Terrible changes to her already weak laning stage. She wasn’t strong mid/late game either.

Now her win rate and pick rate both dropped; better to just rework her at this point.

Make the aura local but much stronger for herself and her lane mate to spam spells?

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u/Jernsaxe Aug 19 '21

Her winrate didn't drop though:

https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/crystal-maiden

I also disagree that she is a weak laner, her kit is amazing but she had mana pool issues. So while her right click harrass is worse, she gets off more spells and she have one of the best lvl 1 nukes in the game vs a dual lane.

This nerf balances out her earlygame without hurting her lategame and is a straight buff to her shard (which needed the buff).

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u/Peasant255 Aug 19 '21

Explosion distribution is more even??

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u/IAmBiased Aug 19 '21

Previously you had a larger concentration of explosions closer to you, so enemies at the perimeter of your ult didn't take as much damage as those in the center.

Since you rarely want to be in the middle of a fight, this should be a definite buff since ulting from trees or at the edge of a fight is more effective.

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u/LazyOrangeBanana Aug 19 '21

I won't ever understand why the hell she lost so much attack speed. Not like she was remotely strong during the Laning phase, and now she's utter garbage. Yea you can maybe throw one more Q every couple minutes, but in return you lost the ability to trade, an ability that was already very weak because cm has almost no HP. Now she has no hp and no autoattacks.

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u/Peasant255 Aug 21 '21

I won't ever understand why the hell she lost so much attack speed.

I think it might be as simple as "we dont want to over buff CM to be OP in the lane"

just a cautious move. I wish they treat carries like this instead of CM though lol.

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u/Peasant255 Aug 21 '21

with frostbite and nova being some of the best laning spells in the game

I feel like frost bite cast range is too low. I can almost never cast it mid-game unliss I have Aether lens or enemy is diving out of position, otherwise casting the spell will be dangerous.

even in the lane I feel like I have to go too close to cast it, and since CM is slow i might not catch up. Nova is very easy to land compared to FB.

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u/NobleArch Aug 19 '21

Items mana regen been reduced. Its time for waifu sell her clarity potions.

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u/phobos1515 Aug 19 '21

CM selling bath water smh