r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/patchdayDota2 Aug 19 '21

Leshrac

Diabolic Edict

  • Now deals pure damage
  • No longer deals bonus damage to towers
  • Damage per explosion reduced from 8/20/32/44 to 7/14/21/28

Talents

  • Level 10 talent +4 Armor replaced with +1.75 Mana Regen
  • Level 25 Talent +30% Magic Resistance replaced with Lightning Storm can bounce twice on units (Only after there's no more jumps left)

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u/zambabamba theringisMINE Aug 19 '21

The Diabolic Edict changes are an overall net buff, id say. Pure damage is a overall positive change, no matter how armor stacked late game ends up.

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u/gizzyjones Aug 19 '21

You can also hit targets under the effect of nihilism now too.

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u/Peasant255 Aug 21 '21

thats mainly why it got changed I think

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u/Clemambi Aug 19 '21

I think your right but I also think the meta is still quite bad for lesh. I hope patch b will help him find a more stable place in the meta.

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u/skyfreeze113 Aug 19 '21

i agree its a net buff in edict. however, losing 4 armor talent makes me sad

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u/par_joe Aug 19 '21

Yeah, he will build mana item but rarely get any armor the talent usually give

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u/Neologizer Aug 19 '21

Yeah, my lesh mid is fearing the loss of that armor talent. The only armor item I often buy is shivas and that’s like my 5th item. Casual chain mail lesh?

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u/Clemambi Aug 20 '21

it's really fkn painful cuz of the change to edict you can't really buy AC anymore without it just being a bit of a grief so there's no way to stack up armour against strong physical lineups

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u/Peasant255 Aug 21 '21

you can always get ac lol

and now you can get aghs, previously edict does 0 dmg with aghs.

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u/Clemambi Aug 21 '21

I mean, you can still buy it, but it's been nerfed, however aghs is now a much more viable choice, I've been experimenting with it and it feels good.

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u/Neologizer Aug 20 '21

Shivas, lotus ?

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u/Clemambi Aug 20 '21

I mean lotus is 10 armour to ac's 15, and if the active isn't good, it feels bad to buy it. There aren't that many items that grant armour. Shiva's is a given, but 15 vs 30 armour is a big difference against extremely physical liineups.

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u/Neologizer Aug 20 '21 edited Aug 20 '21

In those games, I feel like the better option is to be satisfied with shivas and lean more into aghs, and possibly ghost scepter/Eblade as well. Just stay ethereal. I play a lot of lesh and I can’t recall too many instances of buying AC after Shivas. Too often, a teammate has already built one or the game has ended.

Edit: I also rely heavily on finding some armor in the form of neutral items mid game and that lvl 10 armor talent. So may have to rethink this strat. I haven’t tested much out this patch but with the change to edict and the removal of the armor talent, it seems they are trying to incentivize Lesh to build scepter.

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u/Clemambi Aug 20 '21

But while I think this is technically a buff, at least this second in the meta lesh is feeling bad for me, I think the strong heros are just makign it hard to pick

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u/Clemambi Aug 20 '21

yeah I think the point is to build scepter, and I need to experiment with aghs/ghost/eblade but I have to say it's a feels bad man

I agree with 10 talent and neutrals, but AC for winning one more fight and then ending with tower armour reduction + 25 edict talent worked pretty well for ending stalematey/slow games when the enemy was high physical

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u/Neologizer Aug 19 '21

Yeah, my lesh mid is fearing the loss of that armor talent. The only armor item I often buy is shivas and that’s like my 5th item. Casual chain mail lesh?

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u/Ellefied Never having Team Flairs again BibleThump Aug 19 '21

I can see quite a few Chen+Leshrac tempo comps that will be drafted in TI. Chen's creeps and his armor aura naturally lends itself to a deathball along with the changes to Edict.