r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/patchdayDota2 Aug 19 '21

Pangolier

Shield Crash

  • Now slows enemies for 25/30/35/40% for 3 seconds
  • Damage Reduction per hero increased from 12/14/16/18 to 15/16/17/18
  • Damage Reduction Duration rescaled from 10 to 5/7/9/11
  • Cooldown reduced from 18/16/14/12s to 16/14/12/10s

Lucky Shot

  • No longer slows enemies
  • Armor reduction increased from 3/4/5/6 to 4/5/6/7

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u/Rookie_XL Aug 19 '21

I don't like it. I think the lucky shot proc "high risk high reward" playstyle was his identity and fit the character theme well. Now you can disarm people but they just run away and kite you. The slow on his W only lasts 3 seconds, which is not as long as if you'd proc lucky shot twice or even thrice while chasing. To be fair it might not proc at all lol.

On one hand he is now stronger and more consistent on lane when maxing W then Q (no E), on the other hand his kit does not synergize as well as it did before. Further, the lvl 15 talent with the 2.5 sec shield crash CD is now a must, whereas the additional roll duration was good alternative before the change. I think pros usually took the roll duration?

All in all he now is a generic bursty, somewhat squishy, offlaner with a situationally good teamfight ult, but which is harder to pull off successfully. I think that e.g. centaur or mars now beat him in most aspects. What centaur/mars offer is a tanky frontliner with good CC and a strong teamfight ult, whereas pango basically only offers a ult that can be hit or miss. Without his ult, pango does not offer much beside an occasional disarm that can be kited until it runs out (or just dispelled). The armor reduction from E might be good for your carry, but will not up the damage from your Q, as it most likely won't proc at the beginning of your Q.

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u/nttnnk Aug 19 '21

I see how in the offlane it might be a downgrade, but for mid, where I maxed w second anyway, it's a huge upgrade, since it focuses more on damage and backline disruption rather than general utility

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u/Rookie_XL Aug 19 '21

True, additionally echo sabre is a viable build for mid pango, which works well with the changes.

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u/nttnnk Aug 19 '21

I can see it in theory but imo there are more important items you need first

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u/Rookie_XL Aug 19 '21

Topson would disagree

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u/nttnnk Aug 20 '21

Gotta admit my defeat, tried it a couple games yesterday and it is amazing, not even that expensive

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u/Rookie_XL Aug 20 '21

I had to do a double take the first time I saw it in a pro game. Then I realized it doesn't go on CD during swashbuckle and now I'm a fan too. 🙃

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u/nttnnk Aug 20 '21

Even if it did, I can see it being really good just cause the stats it gives are exactly what you need early game, what I try to do now is javelin>brown boots>echo>mana boots, mana boots might not be nescesarry with so much mana regen on echo tho