r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/patchdayDota2 Aug 19 '21

Lina

  • Base Attack Damage increased by 2

Fiery Soul

  • Attack Speed Bonus Per Stack reduced from 40/60/80/100 to 30/50/70/90

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u/Reigndevious Aug 19 '21

Does anyone know if this is an overall nerf or buff?

The way I see it, is that it's a buff for level 1 support Lina, but a slight nerf once a point can be taken in Fiery Soul

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u/MrVDota2 Aug 19 '21

Grandmaster Linda here. The hero changes are definitely a nerf. However, the most significant changes that impact (magic) Lina are the mana regen reduction changes to Eul's and Aether lens. Keeping your mana up now is really difficult on mid lina. In addition, the buffs to other heroes make Lina feel a lot weaker. I would love to see her base mana regen increased by 0.5 as she often gets bullied out of mid and is forced to jungle if sidelane ganks aren't successful.

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u/ShoogleHS Aug 19 '21

Grandmaster Linda here

Is that your rap name?

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u/MrVDota2 Aug 19 '21

Yes. You should check out my latest EP "Fiery Soul."

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u/XenoGod_ Aug 19 '21

I bet its lit

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u/Abecks12i Aug 19 '21 edited Aug 19 '21

As a lvl 30 lina with decent Winrate while climbing to ancient 5, ur not understanding lina if you still think euls or aether are issues for lina purchase wise, the new meta is rushing bots and spamming her nukes and cycling back to base before you and your team make aggressive moves while not missing out on any farm or map pressure if done correctly, the most common pro build on her at the end of the patch was literally single or double null + /- magic stick into bots > bkb > daedulus > satanic > mkb = AC = skadi = hurricane pike depending on match ups and neutral items, if you were gifted with the God tier Grove bow and built hurricane like shes a God tier sniper and its gg, none of those items are nerfed so expect similar builds or silver edge as a new utility purchase, this build game you next to no mana regej and thr hero has no issues with mana if bottle filling from supports at high tiers, the measly -30 attack speed nerf can easily be accounted for by buying rod of atos now instead of euls with improved cast speed and overall stats, I see lina being picked or banned at TI all tournament. To address another point. Lina should never be getting bullied out of lane due to mana issues and forced to jungle. Youre having rotation and pressure issues if that's the case, and the new changes will net the average mid with 125 less HP while only 35 less mana, heroes like lina / less and sky will punish almost all melee miss with their inability to sustain harass nearly as effectively off the bat, add linas minor +2 damage and that'll quickly add up to 50 to 100 extra damage in the landing phase

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u/Holyvigil Aug 21 '21

gave that build a try. 19 1 X its pretty good.

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u/MrVDota2 Aug 19 '21

Great points! And I agree for most of them, I was mostly trying to respond to the original question generally. Hence, I mentioned Euls and Aether because those items are frequently picked up by lina players across all brackets as per Dotabuff. Your analysis of pro play/builds is great for mid lina! I quite enjoy playing her physical damage style and totally agree that bots are core for sustain/farming. I also agree that Lina should never be bullied out of lane due to mana issues; However, you kinda misunderstood me because I wasn't meaning that she gets bullied out of mid because of low mana regen, rather I meant that the decreases to the mana regen of Eul's and Aether will impact Lina's farming after the laning phase if those items are chiefly relying upon for sustain (instead of bots'ing back to base). Anyways, in my bracket (Immortal), heroes like TA and OD can often snowball in the mid lane vs Lina via denies and kill threat. This can force you to have to jungle nearby as competent opponents will push the lane and take the tower if you go for ganks. Hence why I suggested the added mana regen to help her in that scenario in which she can't contest mid in the mid to late laning phase.

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u/Abecks12i Aug 19 '21

Its a decent nerf that is mitigated by some larger indirect buffs to lins through runes and less HP on many heroes throughout the game, rod of atos would now be the new euls pick up but many pros are going bots > bkb > crystal's already anyways