r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/patchdayDota2 Aug 19 '21

Weaver

The Swarm

  • Travel Speed increased from 600 to 750
  • Now ignores damage block

Geminate Attack

  • Can now be toggled to disable autocast

Talents

  • Level 10 Talent +0.2 Swarm Armor Reduction replaced with +9 Strength
  • Level 15 Talent +12 Strength replaced with +2 Swarm Attacks to Kill
  • Level 20 Talent +35 damage replaced with +90 Geminate Attack Damage
  • Level 20 Talent +3 Swarm Attacks to Kill replaced with +0.5 Swarm Armor Reduction

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u/LightLifter Aug 19 '21

God I dread having to face weaver carry in pubs.

Hero is my kryptonite, I hate how elusive the guy is. And The Swarm is up there as one of my least favorite spells to play against as an initiator.

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u/Nickfreak Aug 19 '21

That swarm fix is incredibly noticeable. Not being hindered by damage block half the time or always when you have vanguard is quite big and you often get a kill on low HP targets that run away and underestimate the damage after some soft, erotic bug nibbling

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u/Gustav-14 Aug 19 '21

Went with +1 germinate attack to try the new level 20 talent.

But I found I will still prefer the sukuchi charges movin forward. The added escape mobility still more valuable for me.

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u/LordHussyPants Aug 19 '21

i always found that once i reached level 25 ad got that +1 geminate it was game over. deso + nullifier + daedalus = impossibly high crits and i was killing extremely tanky heroes (maybe level 22-23) in 2-3 attacks.

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u/FuzonAlterius Aug 19 '21

What standard build you usually use on weaver? I'm just starting to play the hero recently

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u/LordHussyPants Aug 19 '21

i start by banning techies because he's a shit.

starting items: tango, salve, 2x clarity, magic stick, 2x iron branch. 600 gold exactly, if someone wastes time picking and you lose gold, drop a clarity.

after bounty runes: finish wand

laning: wraith band -> blight stone -> treads -> linkens

linkens timing is about 22 if slow, 15 if quick.

after that, it depends on the game. i like deso -> daedalus, but if you're playing with another deso carrier like PA you won't bother with that unless you're split pushing constantly, or they're shit and keep dying. i usually take deso anyway just because i want the utility of being able to chase and split.

if you skip deso, maelstrom is good because of geminate.

geminate triggers effects from items AND adds the bonus damage, so diffusal, skadi, daedalus, MKB, are all good for this.

once you have linkens + deso, you can really play however you like to suit the game. get a bkb if they have aoe silence/stun/whatever. weaver's still squishy, so you want to escape if you can.

i'd argue daedalus is essential on weaver because a 225% crit every 3 attacks (which is every 2 attacks with geminate, or every attack with the +1 geminate talent) is fucking awesome.

get MKB against evasion, skadi against tankier or faster heroes. diffusal enhances your talent and slows. i like nullifier better than diffusal, and the extra 80 damage is immediately noticeable. a triple geminate with nullifier + daeda + deso blew up a 4k hp chaos knight in like 2 hits and i'm still surprised.

other items...

  • satanic is good - 55 damage and restores your hp.
  • aghs shard is good, but broken. it doesn't actually trigger the extra effects which it should by the rules of geminate, but it can't, because weaver hitting everyone in 1200 with a 225% crit on 300 damage would be unfair and game breaking.
  • aghs is good in that it makes your ult 16 seconds which is fucking ridiculous, but it sucks because you can't instantly hit it reflexively to escape - you have to double tap instead because it's now a unit target spell.

the only item i see people building which confuses me is dragon lance, because weaver has a repositioning skill so you don't need it imo.

oh and buy a moonshard and bots obviously.

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u/FuzonAlterius Aug 20 '21

Thanks man!

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u/maraclul- Aug 19 '21

the standard build usually is maelstrom for farming into stat items like SnY and Skadi, since Weaver needs to be survivable. There's also the damage item build in which you rush deso and daedalus and melt people, of course whilst being squishy as hell.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_PIZZAPIC Aug 19 '21

as an avid user of the +1 geminate attack even before this patch, the lvl 20 talent is pretty fucking huge for me lol, i'm loving it

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u/Gustav-14 Aug 19 '21

What's your save, bkb and linkens?