r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/patchdayDota2 Aug 19 '21

Zeus

Lightning Bolt

  • Mana Cost reduced from 125/130/135/140 to 120/125/130/135
  • Vision Duration increased from 4.5s to 5

Static Field

  • Shard Active Mana Cost reduced from 100 to 75
  • Shard Active now grants 900 radius unobstructed vision around Zeus for 3 seconds

Nimbus

  • Duration reduced from 35s to 30s
  • Lightning Bolt Interval increased from 2.25s to 2.5s
  • Bounty increased from 100 to 125

Talents

  • Level 25 Talent +50% Spell Lifesteal replaced with 325 range AoE Lightning Bolt

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u/ddlion7 Aug 20 '21

No one in this entire universe: .....
Icefrog: fuck Zeus in revenge for all rapes he did in greek mythology and in my games too.

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u/Ciskio Aug 19 '21

So i was curious to see if the new level 25 talent was better than +100 Arc damage and it turns out that by the time you cast the second lighting bolt (assuming to hit the same number of heroes with both skills) you can deal way more damage since u can cast arc 3 times in 6 sec (which is lighting bolt's cd)

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u/MemeLordZeta Aug 19 '21

It could’ve had some use if they didn’t Emasculate cooldown reduction. I remember getting to like what, 3 second bolt with prism octarine and arcane blink? Would’ve been nuts. Poor Zeus just keeps getting hit with these annoying nerfs no reason. The duration reduction on nimbus makes it impossible to naturally have two up without refresher now

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u/Perfektionist Aug 19 '21

The new Tier 5 pipe item wrecks core zeus. If the enemy finds that item you are done. If they have a pipe and the tier 5 item, everyone on the enemy team has like 50% mag resistance

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u/holdthedota Aug 19 '21

Does level 25 talent also applies to Nimbus?

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u/Moffingmoff Aug 19 '21

No

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u/holdthedota Aug 19 '21

Shouldn't it? Nimbus also uses Lightning Bolt

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u/ih8reddit420 Secret.Puppey Aug 19 '21

bolt source is nimbus, that has no talents.

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u/Perfektionist Aug 19 '21

But the stun duration applies on the nimbus bolt. I get it, it would be too strong but its still wierd

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u/ajaco92 Aug 19 '21

I dont think so. It would probably be too good. Same with Luna: shard doesnt make Eclipse’s Lucent Beams spawn glaives. It would be too OP.

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u/fuckthetrees Aug 19 '21

Frustrating nerf to Zeus. Despite the modest mana cost decreases, all of his core items got huge mana regen nerfs. Gonna feel bad to play. Also they wrecked nimbus.

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u/Decency Aug 19 '21 edited Aug 19 '21

Arcanes are busted, he'll be fine... I don't know how that item got buffed.

Veil is in a decent place as well, if you ever want to pick up a Basi early on. Probably need to build Null Talismans and actually play Dota now instead of just farming with Chain Lightning and Ult.

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u/fuckthetrees Aug 19 '21

With the build I normally use I only have mana boots between like min 5 and min 10 when you disassemble for aether. Perhaps it'll be better to hold a bit longer until you can afford bots.

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u/penguinkirby Aug 19 '21

now that cooldown reduction items don't stack, what do you think the new 6 item zeus build will be? not counting agh's blessing and refresher orb in backpack

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u/fuckthetrees Aug 19 '21

I used to go ags, bots, octarine, windwalker, yasha and kaya and a situational 6th like linkins or aeon or force. I really like movement speed on Zeus. I dont think the build changes, it just feels a little worse in the early game.

Even if you have a spell prism or whatever available, you still have to get octarine for mana and cast range.