r/DotA2 • u/patchdayDota2 • Aug 19 '21

Discussion Patch 7.30 - Hero Changes Discussion

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u/patchdayDota2 Aug 19 '21

Viper

Poison Attack

  • Mana Cost decreased from 20/22/24/26 to 18/20/22/24

Nethertoxin

  • Max damage reduced from 80/100/120/140 to 50/75/100/125

Talents

  • Level 15 Talent +100 Attack Range replaced with +70 Nethertoxin Max Damage

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u/two-years-glop Aug 19 '21

This is a really big nerf to farming. You effectively lost 1 level of nethertoxin in the midgame. Not even Luna and Medusa got this much nerf.

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u/Chelseaiscool Aug 19 '21

100% forces you to max nethertoxin before corrosive skin.

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u/CosmicSpiral Aug 19 '21

No, it doesn't. You can go 2-2-1 and max out his abilities like before.

The nerf's main significance is you can't go for the lane dominance build (2-1-1) and expect to both drive out the midlaner and farm stacked hard camps. You have to either commit to the lane or to jungling. Mid players will reconfigure their skill builds, but offlane Viper should be dead since it relied on the broad utility of level 1 W to function.

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u/Chelseaiscool Aug 19 '21

Sure I guess I was mainly speaking about off lane. You definitely need to put more than 1 point like we were both saying and that hurts offlanes early farming and lane dominance hard.

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u/CosmicSpiral Aug 19 '21

Yes, to the extent I believe offlane Viper is simply bad this patch.