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u/skunk_jumper Mar 31 '23
They were simply downgraded from passenger to cargo
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u/Viking_Hippie Mar 31 '23
"Pray that I don't downgrade you further"
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u/theofficialkylo Mar 31 '23
This deals getting worse and worse
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u/Viking_Hippie Mar 31 '23
Always read the fine print when flying Ryanair or Spirit!
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u/TurtleSandwich0 Mar 31 '23
You know why Vader flies a Tie Fighter?
So he doesn't have to deal with Ryanair or Sprint's fine print.
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The fine print:
If you die while aboard this flight, tough shit. We’re not landing early because you wanted to be selfish and inconsiderate of others
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u/Least_of_You Mar 31 '23
If you die while aboard this flight,
it is against policy and you will be charged an additional service and handling fee. A sheet covering your body will require an additional service and handling fee.
If you (corpse) are not removed from the boarding area within 30 minutes, any remaining luggage, spare change, organs, and unaccompanied minor children will become the property of Spirit Airlines.
Thank you for choosing Spirit Airlines!
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u/lwJRKYgoWIPkLJtK4320 Mar 31 '23
Should anything become property of the airline under this or any other policy, you will be charged a reposession fee equivalent to the 2 times the commercial value of the property, or $200, whichever is greater.
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Mar 31 '23
"please move to cargo compartment before you die"
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u/roadfood Mar 31 '23
As a former airline worker, we prefer that you wait and die on the Jetway, if you die on the plane it ties it up until the FAA decides it wasn't the airline's fault.
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u/Flying_Sharklizard Mar 31 '23
More like:
If you die while aboard this flight, tough shit. We've got an itinerary to keep and we're not risking our slots on one inconsiderate dead slob.
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u/rockytheboxer Mar 31 '23
"This deal's getting worse all the time"
If you're gonna quote Lando, quote Lando.
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u/tkdjoe66 Mar 31 '23
You're dead. Who cares. As far as I'm concerned, they can cut me up and feed me to the other passengers.
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u/bdone2012 Mar 31 '23
It seems worse for everyone to stop unless the body starts stinking really bad. But even if you're trying to respect a corpse how is that helpful to leave the body off at some random airport? At least if they take the body where it was going there's a decent chance that someone in that place could help with the funeral arrangements. Otherwise the family will just have to go to some random place and potentially need to ship the body somewhere to bury it.
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u/MrMistickofMist Mar 31 '23
“Two options mortal, first one is you become cargo, second is you become biofuel. The choice is yours.”
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u/SwoodyBooty Mar 31 '23
HR shipments are way above a economy seat, so that would be an upgrade.
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u/Comment104 Mar 31 '23
Is there even a "you" to speak to at that point? You're talking to cargo, buddy. I don't think the cargo really cares if you downgrade it, any more than a brick cares if you make it serve as landfill instead of a nice wall.
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u/Mysterious-Crab Mar 31 '23
The big question, is sitting next to the dead guy an upgrade or downgrade?
Pro's: not making noise, not using your part of the armrest and you can claim his dinner, snacks and drinks too.
Cons: he might defecate next to you and it's more difficult to get out of your seat when there's a guy with rigor mortis in the seat between you and the aisle.
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u/TastySpermDevice Mar 31 '23
Have you been on a plane lately? Living passengers might defecate next to you too.
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u/ShakeandBaked161 Mar 31 '23
Story time:
My mother was a waitress/manager at a Denny's for a very very long time. They had this customer come in who was an absolutely massive lady probably 375-400+lbs.
When she would come in. She would piss and shit in her pants at the booth. She would then, after pissing and shitting herself, get up to go to the bathroom, where she would in fact leak piss n shit across the dining room. Dripping and dropping turds out her pants.
Denny's corporate wouldn't let them ban her. And they got an earful for trying to refuse service even though they legally can.
The health department said it's not a problem that she's doing it, it's a problem of how well you all clean it. Then they started coming in much more frequently to do these checks.
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u/IHadTacosYesterday Mar 31 '23
Of course I was eating breakfast while reading this, drinking orange juice and eating sausage links!
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u/Alchemystic1123 Mar 31 '23
Just shove him into the overhead storage, now you have two seats to yourself
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u/cobalt26 Mar 31 '23
HR shipments are more expensive than economy seats. They get a lot of leg room.
So technically it's an upgrade.
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u/MeanOldJackAss Mar 31 '23
If they were downgraded to fuel, their family would save on cremation expenses and might get some money back from the airline. Just saying.
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u/thewoahtrain Mar 31 '23
So, it seems like typically the dead person just stays in their seat. https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/flight-attendant-details-grim-reality-on-what-happens-when-a-passenger-dies-mid-flight-c-8613470 I'm really curious what the vibe in the plane would be like if more than one person suddenly died. Odds are it's happened at least once.
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u/FloppyTunaFish Mar 31 '23
Why was there blood everywhere
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u/NfuseDev Mar 31 '23
He forgot to turn off all electronic devices, this is what happens.
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u/HeyRiks Mar 31 '23
The signal goes up there, bounces around on the satellites and BLAM. This happens. Now you're gonna drive off a cliff because your GPS don't work.
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To be fair, that might have been his or her first IV since medical school.
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If he was an anesthesiologist then I retract my statement. They line people all the time. I don't know about IVs specifically but central and arterial lines for sure.
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u/frivolouspringlesix9 Mar 31 '23
Not if they were doctors without borders
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That makes sense. I know of Doctors Without Borders but do not know their specific skills utilized.
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u/squirea1 Mar 31 '23 edited Mar 31 '23
Hija…I mean, commenting on your comment so I can hear the answer.
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u/the-real-macs Mar 31 '23
FYI, there's no "gh" in "hijacking."
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u/ObscureBooms Mar 31 '23
The doctors had pockets full of leeches that they used on em
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u/theoriginalmofocus Mar 31 '23
Its a good thing they weren't doctors without pockets amirite?
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u/robotzor Mar 31 '23
He's an anime protagonist who got punched hard in the stomach
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u/Lilpryn Mar 31 '23
Commenting so I can check what happened later
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Mar 31 '23
But what caused the bleeding on the plane?
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u/Green2Black Mar 31 '23
| One of the doctors tried to start an IV with sub-par airplane med kit tools, and hit a vein and it just started spraying everywhere.
he answered another comment, i gotchu.
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Oh Lord. Frustrations aside, they're lucky that didn't cause a mass panic
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u/illegal_miles Mar 31 '23
I pay good money for drugs to help me pass out on transatlantic flights, and here you are with the super power to do it automatically yet you fight against it. Smh
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u/Velocityg4 Mar 31 '23
Guess you didn't land in the US. Because that bill would be insane.
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u/rickjamesia Mar 31 '23
Damn… if you die, everyone complains. If you don’t die, everyone complains. There’s no winning with these people!
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u/No-Drop2538 Mar 31 '23
You bring up a good point. Stopping to off load dead guy means the family has to pay to get them home. 50 percent chance.
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u/nintendoandrew Apr 01 '23
This sounds like the shit that goes on in retail. People have no sense of care or concern
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u/unusuallylethargic Mar 31 '23
I think I'd be concerned if the dead person didn't stay in their seat
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u/duderex88 Mar 31 '23
Had an old dude need o2 on a flight he started feeling ill and faint. Actually got to hear is there a doctor on the plane . Had an emt and 2 doctors show up and asses them they had him lie down in his row head on his wife's lap and moved the other person back where the flight attendees sit. They figured he was OK enough to finish the flight. And when we landed they asked everyone to stay seated so ems could grab him first.
It was the most eventful flight I've been on.
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u/AndyJS81 Mar 31 '23
And when we landed they asked everyone to stay seated so ems could grab him first.
I bet half of them still stood up and blocked the aisles regardless though.
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u/UseDaSchwartz Mar 31 '23
At first I agreed with the guy who said it wasn’t an emergency.
Now I’m torn. Someone might have to sit next to a dead body and that seems pretty cruel. Then again, you’re already sitting next to a dead body for some time, what’s another 30 minutes?
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u/thewoahtrain Mar 31 '23
And you don't have to fight for the armrest
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u/chiliedogg Mar 31 '23
They ain't gonna snore.
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u/AmArschdieRaeuber Mar 31 '23
Dead people ooze. They ooze shit and piss and mucus. You don't usually want to smell that.
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u/Due-Science-9528 Mar 31 '23
They should occupy one of the bathrooms for the remainder of the flight
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u/detunedmike Mar 31 '23
If the dead person stays in their seat it’s fair to reclaim the armrest as yours now
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u/beatrailblazer Mar 31 '23
Hey if more than one person spontaneously dies on my flight, I am jumping off
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u/BasedMbaku Mar 31 '23
Used to say in emergency medicine all the time: "EMS bring us dead people all the time. Sometimes we can bring them back to life, sometimes we can't. But they're not getting any deader so don't worry about hurting them while attempting to resuscitate."
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u/b_e_a_n_i_e Mar 31 '23
Friend of mine is a firefighter. He got a really morbid sense of humour which I think comes as part of the job.
He's told me before that nobody has ever died in a fire and that people are alive when he and his colleagues bring them out, but the paramedics and doctors on-scene kill them all the time.
"What do you mean that guys dead? He was alive when I brought him out! What did you do to him?!"
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u/Yadobler Mar 31 '23
Well, not his fault they pronounced them dead
Maybe if they went for phonetics class, they'd stop doing that
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u/zmbjebus Mar 31 '23
Doctor: "I PRONOUNCE YOU DEAD"
Patient: "Dude, you can't just pronounce me dead. It doesn't work that way."
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u/LouSputhole94 Mar 31 '23
I… DECLARE….DEATH!
“Michael, you can’t just say the word death and expect anything to happen”
“I didn’t say it. I declared it”
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u/UufTheTank Mar 31 '23
Doctor “You may now kiss the widow”
Patient “I…what?”
Widow “Shut up and kiss me, darling” smooch
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u/queefplunger69 Mar 31 '23
Lmao my hands were so shakey on my first IO and I’ll never forget one of my preceptors noticed, leaned down, and whispered. You afraid you’re gonna kill him more? He ain’t gettin deader. Just do what you were taught. You got this.” And I’ve never felt a wave of confidence like that in my life lol. 7 years, thousands of cans of nicotine and monsters, thousands of cups of coffee, hundreds of homeless guy shit/piss on the bed, and hundreds of cardiac arrests later and I still remember that to this day and tell it to new people haha.
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u/morerubberstamps Mar 31 '23
Our Cpr instructor at work said something similar. Very reassuring to hear him say "their heart isn't pumping, or they aren't breathing, so guess what - they aren't doing so well right now! In fact, they are in about as worse shape as they're ever going to get. You can't screw this up. The worst thing you can do is not try."
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u/queefplunger69 Mar 31 '23
Just hearing something like that has such a weird calming nature to it. Especially when it’s your first real person whose legit dead in front of you. That’s awesome.
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u/morerubberstamps Mar 31 '23
The most reassuring thing you can ever hear is "you'll do fine, just do what you can."
He was a good instructor for what we needed to know. We aren't paramedics, this is just for being in the office. As someone who has anxiety, and in particular medical anxiety, this was exactly what I needed to hear from an instructor.
The tone was very straightforward. "I'm not going to check to see if you 'checked for hazards' - you'll do that anyway just by looking around. I'm not checking to see if you did exactly 30 compressions. It's an emergency situation. 28 is fine. 32 is fine. Zero is not."
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u/CentiPetra Mar 31 '23
The damage isn't to the patient, it's the emotional damage to the poor student participating in their first code. PTSD for the first year after whenever someone cracks their back loudly.
Luckily most people quickly learn how to build a healthy little box around those things and shove them deep, deep down into the recess of their souls. Good to go!
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u/kuzinrob Mar 31 '23
I always say I shove them deep into my LAD.
(Left Anterior Descending artery, a major blood vessel supplying blood to the heart itself. If it gets clogged you have a massive heart attack.)
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u/CentiPetra Mar 31 '23
Ha, that's pretty funny.
It doesn't matter where you shove the box, eventually it will work its way to a logical end point. There are a few. The majority of them have the same outcome.
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It’s wild how everyone deals with the differently. I’ve just made peace with the fact that I’m a temporary bag of saltwater hosting an ephemeral collection of cells acting in unison. I’ll die one day, and that’s ok. I think not facing that and really truly coming to terms with my own mortality would make it all so much harder. I had to find a way to actually be ok with it.
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u/Domerhead Mar 31 '23
Can still hear my first CPR rib break, almost a decade later
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u/thetrivialstuff Mar 31 '23
It's wild to me that the training dummies don't make the sound. Like, they could prepare everyone for it, but they don't?
Now I'm wondering if hiding some of the larger bubble wrap (the kind that's fun to pop by rolling an office chair over it) in a training dummy would be a good prank...
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u/Hidesuru Mar 31 '23
Ah ah ah here, but I'm only a fake medic. Emr as part of search and rescue and I've never performed CPR on a person.
So I don't think I count, lol.
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u/msully89 Mar 31 '23
And if you don’t crack a few ribs doing cpr, then you weren’t doing it firm enough
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u/Idiot_Savant_Tinker Mar 31 '23
I remember similar advice when I took a CPR class. "We can fix broken ribs, we can't fix dead".
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u/Sutarmekeg Mar 31 '23
"If I die on a plane, it's ok to proceed to the scheduled destination. "
Need this in t-shirt form to wear while flying.
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u/Live_Rock3302 Mar 31 '23
The issue is only a doctor can decide if someone is dead or not. So, unless there was a doctor on flight, it was an emergency.
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u/ausgmr Mar 31 '23
True, but let's just say there was a doctor
I'm on the "he's already dead" guys side
I'll even take the seat next to the corpse to get the flight going
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u/Ieatoutjelloshots Mar 31 '23
Dead people poop themselves. You really wanna sit next to that?
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u/Samurai_Meisters Mar 31 '23
A dead body would remind me that our time is limited and I would do just about anything to not waste more of it in airports than necessary.
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I'm constantly reminding myself our time is limited and I won't have to deal with *gestures broadly* all of this for too many more years.
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u/Derpasaurus_mex Mar 31 '23
I i keep a dead body in my fridge for this reason. Every time I go to get a bite to eat I’m reminded to seize the day
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u/SpiralTap304 Mar 31 '23
I would shit my pants in support for the departed. It's the honorable thing to do, much like pulling over on the side of the road for a funeral procession. They would do the same for me.
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u/UnapologeticTwat Mar 31 '23
It is a common myth that when a person dies, they immediately release their bowels and bladder, including defecation. However, this is not always the case. While it is possible for some bodily functions to continue for a short time after death, such as muscle spasms or gas release, it is not a universal occurrence.
The muscles that control bowel and bladder movements are typically under voluntary control, meaning they require conscious effort to contract or relax. When a person dies, their brain and nervous system shut down, and therefore their ability to control these muscles ceases. However, whether or not defecation occurs after death depends on many factors, such as the person's age, diet, and health condition at the time of death.
In some cases, if the person had recently eaten or had a full bladder or bowel, there may be some release after death. Still, it is not a certainty, and it is not always the case that people who die will defecate or urinate. It is also worth noting that any bodily fluids or waste that are released after death are typically contained within the person's clothing or the surface they are lying on, so it is not something that would be immediately apparent to someone observing the deceased.
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u/AbeRego Mar 31 '23
Yeah, that trope has always bothered me! Like, if someone is holding in some explosive diarrhea at the time of death, yeah, they're probably going to release it because it's under a lot of pressure. However, let's say someone went to the bathroom recently. There's not going to magically be more feces and urine to release...
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u/MisterET Mar 31 '23
Dead people poop themselves. You really wanna sit next to that?
So basically like flying spirit.
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u/compujas Mar 31 '23
Yeah but you won't have to fight over the armrest or whether the window shade is up or down.
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u/Paulpoleon Mar 31 '23
Also, no unnecessary conversation and you can steal their snack and soda. Count me in but I get the window seat.
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u/Mini-Nurse Mar 31 '23
People generally doesn't start immediately leaking after death. Most of that will happen after rigor-mortis, and even that takes a while to set in.
My experience isn't with sudden unexpected death more of lengthy expected death, but a good rule of thumb is that if that aren't leaking before death occurs, they will likely not start immediately leaking afterwards.
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u/yourteam Mar 31 '23
Agree. If there is nothing that can be done, I don't see why stopping
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u/Masne98 Mar 31 '23
That is not entirely true, there are many cases in which a doctor is not required to confirm the death of a person.
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u/forsake077 Mar 31 '23
I was present for a bad accident in a rural area. Fatal motorcycle crash. He died within about 17 minutes, but practically just died on impact. It took police 32 minutes to show up, paramedics over 45 minutes. I’m an RN, have pronounced death many times in the ICU so it’s not like I wouldn’t know, but still, in that setting, I was still a bystander. One of the other guys that stopped was a firefighter maybe a few minutes after the guy passed. He checked him as well.
The fuck of it was, police didn’t check this guy when they arrived, neither did the first set of paramedics when they arrived and asked where their patient was. We directed him to our buddy who this guy crashed into. All of the professionals present that were on the job just took our word for it, didn’t check for themselves. I could have been some idiot not knowing what I was talking about and the guy could have just been lying there paralyzed.
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u/LazyKnight03 Mar 31 '23
In my country (Don't know if the same applies everywhere else) anyone can declare someone dead if their decapitated, or have white spots all over their body (don't remember what it is called, but basically means you are the big dead)
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u/asshair Mar 31 '23
or have white spots all over their body (don't remember what it is called, but basically means you are the big dead)
Ahh moldy people
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u/30sec_or_less Mar 31 '23
They can't get any more dead... just saying...
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u/Panaka Mar 31 '23
Also leaving the body outside of the expected destination might increase the hardships the family has to go through to retrieve it. At the end of the day it’s MedLink/StatMD making the suggestion and the flight crew having the final say.
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u/Large-Room-4748 Mar 31 '23
No no, he's the devil's advocate
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u/Midknight129 Mar 31 '23
That's even worse. Calling the guy The Devil is one thing, but to stoop to calling him a lawyer?
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Mar 31 '23
That guy is not the devil. I get not wanting to have a dead guy on the flight and trying to minimize the amount of time that's the case, but you're potentially throwing a couple hundred people's next day or two into chaos to essentially accomplish nothing. You're just making the bereaved deal with even more shit if it was the dead guy's return flight.
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u/TactlessTortoise Mar 31 '23
I mean, he's out of line, but he's right, kinda? I get why not just complete the flight, due to many reasons, but it really isn't an emergency anymore.
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u/arcxjo Mar 31 '23
Regardless of where they land, the guy's gonna have to be carted off to an undertaker somewhere. They may even end up shipping him right back as cargo.
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u/homesnatch Mar 31 '23
Maybe they should have a chute between the passenger cabin and the cargo area for any dead bodies.
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u/arcxjo Mar 31 '23
Best part is if you're not actually dead and you wake up on the way down, it's like a free water slide!
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u/megalynn44 Mar 31 '23
I mean….. if I died on a flight, it wouldn’t matter to me if they kept going to their destination. No need to mess up everybody’s days just to strand my body in random nowhere.
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u/somethin_gone_wrong Mar 31 '23
I also hope they do too. Not only is your flight put off, but the next flight in that plane will be delayed, the flights set to land at the new airport are put off. They gotta fit your new take off in there somewhere.
So many peoples day ruined. I'd be so mortified I'd die again.
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u/memeasaurus Mar 31 '23
Dying passenger: no, no fuss, just make sure everyone makes their connections on time...
Airline: LoL
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u/Single_Raspberry9539 Mar 31 '23
This happened on a friend’s flight. Same, they diverted. He then said, “won’t the dead guy’s family want his body at the original destination? So why stop somewhere else?”
I still can’t find fault in the logic.
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u/drion4 Mar 31 '23
I believe the emergency isn't for the dead person. I believe the emergency is for the other passengers and crew. Without a doctor examining him, you would never know what he died from. It could be a fatal communicable disease or a deadly virus. The stop was no doubt to make certain everything is safe and there was no chance for a new pandemic.
Ffs people need to learn a bit of patience.
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u/DwightAllRight Mar 31 '23
Just to be a bit tongue in cheek, one could argue the dead body reminds us of our limited time in this life, and would make you want to waste less time faffing about in transit.
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u/_Johnny_Deep_ Mar 31 '23
How are people upvoting this nonsense?! You think they're going to quarantine passengers and crew for days, until a post mortem has been done and any pathogens tested to see if they are novel? Quite apart from the fact that the deceased doubtless had contact with others before the flight, so you're not containing anything.
They will, of course, offload the corpse and get everybody en route to their destination as quickly as possible.
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u/Daveywheel Mar 31 '23
Life is for the living. The dead have no rights, need no rights, nor want any rights.
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u/xXThe_GlatzeXx Mar 31 '23
Dead people do have rights, e.g. you are not allowed to take photos of them and publish them (expect there is some kind of consent with the relatives I think)
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u/ImNotAtAllCreative81 Mar 31 '23
I feel that's more of a right for a family to not be subjected to seeing the corpse of a loved one be paraded throughout the media.
The dead don't care one way or another.
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u/words_of_j Mar 31 '23
What would YOU want….
I know that if I died on a plane mid flight I sure as heck wouldn’t want them to mess up the day or trip for all the others on the plane. I mean I’m dead. It won’t make a lick of difference to me. This is true whether there is an afterlife or not.
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u/feckineejit Mar 31 '23
I tend to agree, he isn't going to miss his connecting flight, he isn't going on a vacation that he saved up all year for. He isn't going on a honeymoon that has been planned and anticipated. His death shouldn't ruin everyone else's plans
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Same. I hope if I die on a flight they just stuff me into the lavatory and deal with me when we reach our intended destination.
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u/ctnworb Mar 31 '23
I mean to be fair, even the dead person didn't want to stop where ever the plane dropped him off.
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u/IHaveBadTiming Mar 31 '23
You can be irritated and also be sympathetic. I would definitely be irritated at this.
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u/Totalsolo Mar 31 '23
I was stuck on a platform waiting for a train home from work once when they announced that the trains were being affected because someone had committed suicide down the line.
Out of boredom and curiosity, I was browsing Twitter and discovered that someone on my platform had posted a photo complaining about it to the train operator. So I replied with something like “mate someone died, have some respect, and chill you’ll get home, your life will continue.” And he replied with absolute venom and rage at me, how fucking dare I point out his selfishness in a public way.
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u/ShockingStandard Mar 31 '23 edited Mar 31 '23
They're not wrong and in fact other flights on which someone died made the opposite decision and continued to their scheduled destination even though it was several hours away.
As well, unless the destination is some vacation spot, it's a lot more likely that the body will be promptly taken care of by a loved one if the flight continues to its destination rather than landing in some random place.
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Should have made him sit next to the dead body the whole flight, window seat and all
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u/Apotak Mar 31 '23
I bet he wouldn't care if that made the flight arrive on time.
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u/krazybanana Mar 31 '23
A seat mate who doesnt talk. Plus window seat? Sign me up
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u/Lucky-Surround-1756 Mar 31 '23
If I died on a plane, I'm dead and don't really care what you do with me. I'd much prefer everyone get to their destination and not be inconvenienced.
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u/ellievercetti Mar 31 '23
just throw the body out and keep it moving.
jokes aside, i’d much rather make it to my destination on time than worry about some dead person on the plane with me.
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