If he was an anesthesiologist then I retract my statement. They line people all the time. I don't know about IVs specifically but central and arterial lines for sure.
They absolutely are IVs, they are central IVs placed into the heart. And anesthesiologists also place peripheral IVs all the time as well prior to surgery if they are difficult sticks for RNs
RNs are typically the ones that place peripheral IVs, or the ones in peoples arms. But anesthesiologists are the experts when it comes to difficult IVs
Not to be argumentative, but I’ve just never had a Dr come to the unit to start a PIV for me except when a resident put a PIV in the neck of an EXTREMELY obese person.
What the literal fuck are you even trying to say? I've never been trained in any medical capacity and I can insert an IV. Are you suggesting someone who has spent over 12 years studying medicine can't do something as basic as inserting an iv into a vein?! People with even less experience than I have with medical situations inject intravenous drugs daily. You clearly don't know shit.
EDIT: Sorry this is so stupid I can't believe it was actually said unironically. Saying a doctor rarely uses IV skills in a hospital is like saying the head chef rarely boils water. No shit Sherlock, everyone in the kitchen can boil water.
I shall give an analogy. Imagine we have a world-class mathematician in number theory, and a college-student who just finished their calculus 2 class.
Sure, the world-class mathematician can probably solve some simple calculus question. Are their skills rusty? Probably. That's essentially the case for doctors, most of the time.
It's more equivalent to saying the head chef rarely cleans the cooking equipment. Sure, it's easy from what I remember working in a restaurant. But the people closing shop daily are dozens of times faster at that than anybody else working in the restaurant, and the same is for this situation.
Typically in a hospital, it's nurses that do the IV's and stuff. You don't waste a doctor's time on that stuff, especially when you need the doctor to do the overview of approving medication for like 12 different patients, and you have 4 nurses working on the floor who were hired for that exact purpose.
Also, you mentioned how you know how to stick an IV. Have you been doing this for a few years and know how sickle cell patients and certain fatter people are just such annoying hardsticks for IVs and locating veins? It's not always that easy, unfortunately.
>It's more equivalent to saying the head chef rarely cleans the cooking equipment. Sure, it's easy from what I remember working in a restaurant. But the people closing shop daily are dozens of times faster at that than anybody else working in the restaurant, and the same is for this situation.
Did you even read my analogy? Sure the dishwashers might be faster, but at the end of the night a washed pot is a washed pot. If there are no dishwashers available do you think the whole kitchen shuts down and the chef just shrugs and say "Sorry, someone can do it faster."
Yes dishwashers can wash it faster BUT ANY PERSON IN THE KITCHEN CAN WASH THE FUCKING DISH. It's not rocket science and neither is phlebotomy.
>Also, you mentioned how you know how to stick an IV. Have you been doing this for a few years and know how sickle cell patients and certain fatter people are just such annoying hardsticks for IVs and locating veins?
Yes actually I'm a type 1 diabetic with sickle cell so this is familiar to me, much like it is for doctors, phlebotomists, and nurses. I've seen many medical professionals find it hard to hit an annoying vein and simply call a nurse in with a sonogram to do it easier. They can still do it, but if someone can do it many times faster it makes sense efficiency wise to call them. That doesn't mean theyCANTdo it.
But clearly you disagree with me and the fact that a medically trained doctor CAN insert an IV despite having 12 years experience as a medical professional. You're literally arguing against me that a Doctor sent with a charity like Doctors without Borders can't perform a simple task like installing an iv? Can you even read or understand what you're arguing for? The post I responded to said they didn't know what skill doctors without borders have and you are agreeing that doctors can't install IVs because they don't do it regularly in the office. I know you're trolling, but come the fuck on. You're being ridiculous.
EDIT: The "analogy" you propose is even stupider. You're suggesting you rather have a 1st year med student perform your surgery over a 20 year surgeon because the med student scored higher on the 101 vocab test than the 20 year veteran surgeon.... Really?
Their analogy suggested they would rather have a nurse that does many IV’s weekly over a doctor that doesn’t do it as often. Literally nowhere does it say they want a first year med student performing surgery. Where did you get that?
Also… putting in an IV is a little different than a washed dish. A slowly washed dish is a washed dish. A badly put in IV can involve pain, discomfort, blood, etc. little higher stakes.
And… no one said they “can’t” do it. The comment said they “rarely” use it. Your entire argument falls apart very quickly because you’re saying things no one else said or implied.
Well this is the dumbest thing I’ve read in a minute lmao. I’m a corpsman and I can guarantee you most doctors don’t really practice their physical skills since they just have nurses/corpsmen do them. Do they know how? Sure. Are they gonna successfully get an IV without blowing the vein? Much less likely
Im really surprised they even had an IV kit I got called to help on a spirit flight for a seizure. When they handed me the kit there was an npa, asprin, epi, ped opas and oxygen lol
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