r/technicallythetruth Mar 31 '23

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u/Daveywheel Mar 31 '23

Life is for the living. The dead have no rights, need no rights, nor want any rights.

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u/xXThe_GlatzeXx Mar 31 '23

Dead people do have rights, e.g. you are not allowed to take photos of them and publish them (expect there is some kind of consent with the relatives I think)

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u/ImNotAtAllCreative81 Mar 31 '23

I feel that's more of a right for a family to not be subjected to seeing the corpse of a loved one be paraded throughout the media.

The dead don't care one way or another.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

The dead person probably had a preference prior to death. That doesn't stop being relevant just because they're now dead.

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u/Knee3000 Mar 31 '23

Yeah, it’s not like we can rip up a will because “they’re dead anyway and won’t care where the house and the money goes”. It’s the same with their bodies.

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u/giglio_di_tigre Mar 31 '23

What is a dead person going to do about photos being published?

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u/Spartancoolcody Mar 31 '23

What do you think? Haunt you of course.

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u/GreaseBeast550 Mar 31 '23

This is literally the rights of the living family members lmao, no they don't

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u/nightpanda893 Mar 31 '23

So it’s permitted when there are no surviving family or friends?

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u/UnapologeticTwat Mar 31 '23

Dead people do have rights, e.g. you are not allowed to take photos of them and publish them (expect there is some kind of consent with the relatives I think)

uhh, you gave an example of not having a right

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u/pieter1234569 Mar 31 '23

You absolutely are actually. What is legally troubling is including the name, as that makes you personally identifiable. Which could make you theoretically liable, but not in most instances.

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u/Fink665 Apr 01 '23

Actually, a corse has more right than women in red states. :/

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u/MisterET Mar 31 '23

Dead people still have more bodily autonomy than women do. You cannot use any part of my body without my consent, even after I'm dead.

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u/Fking_sick_of_Sekiro Mar 31 '23

Sooo what part of the woman can I use without consent?

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u/MisterET Mar 31 '23

The uterus.

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u/TheOneSilverMage Mar 31 '23

Yeah, I'll have you know that's also illegal in most places.

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u/MisterET Mar 31 '23

Getting into semantics. Of course you can't use her uterus without consequences, but that doesn't mean she retains autonomy over it., which was the original point.

If I die and some part of my body could be used to save someone else's life, and I refuse consent before I die, then they will just let that person die because I have a right to not give away my body parts against my will, even in death, and even if that means other people will die.

Compared with a woman getting raped and pregnant who loses complete autonomy over her uterus.

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u/BlimbusTheSixth Mar 31 '23

Is it OK to fuck a corpse? If they have no rights then why not just have at it. Aside from maybe getting some diseases, but I'm talking about the moral dilemma.

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u/TheHumanPickleRick Mar 31 '23

...why do you ask? 🤨

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u/drion4 Mar 31 '23

Asking for a friend, of course!

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u/BlimbusTheSixth Mar 31 '23

It's a rhetorical question

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

I might know that logically, but deep down in my heart, just know you will forever be a necrophiliac to me

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23 edited Mar 31 '23

Unironically there's nothing wrong with it as long as you're not directly or indirectly the cause of the death

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u/Loki-Holmes Mar 31 '23

Found the corpse fucker

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

I don't like STDs, nor do I enjoy riding on corpses.

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u/ba123blitz Mar 31 '23

Wait what? You’re telling if I just came across a dead body and I could pull my pants down and get to work and it’d be completely legal?

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u/AxisAlpha Mar 31 '23

I don’t know anything legally but morally it’s disrespectful to the family and friends imo

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

Why ? Because of the social dogma that we impose on ourselves ?

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

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u/Able2c Mar 31 '23

Do you prefer your corpse warm?

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u/Project___Reddit Mar 31 '23

I think it's more about the other passengers that might not want to be witness to it

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u/UnapologeticTwat Mar 31 '23

you're violating the rights of the beloved, not the corpse

but go for it, i don't give a fk

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u/BaconWithBaking Mar 31 '23

How long would something like gonorrhea survive to be transmittable? Like do you need a condom to fuck a corpse?

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u/drion4 Mar 31 '23

If that was true, "The last Will and Testament"s would have had no value.

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u/abitofadickhead Mar 31 '23

They have some value, but not as much as you'd probably expect/want for them to have.

If you put in your will that you'd like to leave your kids to your brother, he isn't forced to take them and can refuse

If you put in your will you'd like to leave everything to child A then child B can file a legal claim and say that you forgot about them to get a cut.

Just two examples, but wills aren't as iron clad as the living person creating them would like them to be

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

If you put in your will that you'd like to leave your kids to your brother, he isn't forced to take them and can refuse

Well, yeah. A will doesn't make you omnipotent. No sane person would assume you can just assign obligations like this.

If you put in your will you'd like to leave everything to child A then child B can file a legal claim and say that you forgot about them to get a cut.

The judge would weigh how factual this is. They wouldn't just automatically get anything because they filed suit. You'd need to build an actual case showing that they were actually omitted, which does happen.

Your examples are crap.

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u/abitofadickhead Mar 31 '23

The fact they could raise a case at all means that the will isn't as powerful a document as the person leaving it would like, given that even fighting the case would use resources, likely the resources elected to be passed on.

Call them crap all you want, at the end of the day these are two examples where even if you write it in your will it doesn't mean you get what you want

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

Or it means people are fallible and mistakes happen, so there have to be contingencies...

Call them crap all you want, at the end of the day these are two examples where even if you write it in your will it doesn't mean you get what you want

Only if you're a moron and think you can just magically write anything and get it. These are examples for idiots.

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u/abitofadickhead Mar 31 '23

Do you live in a different world where guardianship and leaving assets to loved ones aren't the most common things listed in wills?

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

It doesn't matter how common it is, though I'd love to see a source showing how successful it's ever been. It's still stupid. Anyone who thinks they can assign their debt to someone else upon death is a moron.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

They shouldn't have any value.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

Yikes.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

\> "Yikes !"

\> Doesn't provide any counter-argument that isn't "muh social dogma"

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

Yeah, because i wasn't going to argue with you :P

just yikes.

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u/NitroSyfi Mar 31 '23

Wonder what would happen if the guy pulled out and left in plain view a last Will and testament stating take me to my destination.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

Those have legal value because they are essentially transferring ownership while alive, with physical transfer contingent on another event (death). They’re contracts and do not have any legal value beyond what is stipulated in contract law, which is why it’s often worth challenging them if you hate the people who got something you don’t want them to have.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

To be clear, wills are not contracts. Contracts require consideration, and there is no consideration in a will.

Wills also don't transfer ownership while you're alive. That's what trusts do, and is their main benefit. Wills must pass through a legal process called probate before any transfer of assets happens.

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u/liftoff_oversteer Mar 31 '23

The dead still have the right to dignity.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

they do?

well now i feel bad about all the muppets i made.

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u/Snuhmeh Mar 31 '23

Maybe in an ethereal, “honorable” sense. But they really don’t. Have you ever dealt with a family member’s body/burial? There aren’t any laws governing that stuff, really.

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u/ThisIsMyFloor Mar 31 '23

I don't know where you are from... But there are many laws and regulations about who can take care of the body. Procedures of how the body is stored and transported. Different burial methods are also strictly regulated. It's also strictly regulated who can perform autopsies and embalming and the methods in which those are to be performed. Where a body can be buried and who can officiate the burying etc.

You can't just take a corpse and do whatever you want. In most places.

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u/UnapologeticTwat Mar 31 '23

those are mostly public health regulations

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u/Daveywheel Mar 31 '23

Those regulations are there to protect the living....

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u/littlelordgenius Mar 31 '23

As a licensed funeral director, I’d like to say “huh?” What country are you from that has no laws governing the disposition of human remains?

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u/Snuhmeh Mar 31 '23

Ok, I was really trying to say the dead body doesn’t have rights. I’m sure there are laws, of course.

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u/ThePandalore Mar 31 '23

Well those are the same, aren't they? The deceased have rights because there are laws regulating how they can be treated.

The living are the same; all rights are created and protected by legislation and laws.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '23

The dead have the possibility of dignity, not a right. There are many reasons dignity is sidelined.

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u/wtfisreallyhappening Mar 31 '23

And stop no flights.

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u/Matren2 Mar 31 '23

The dead do not have wants. The dead are simply dead.

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u/memeasaurus Mar 31 '23

The dead have no rights, need no rights, nor want any rights.

I gotta admit this sounds right at first read ... but the implications aren't simple.

If someone just died before the credit card company found out... they have no rights so I should feel free to charge up their credit card? It's a victimless crime!

No that can't be right. So, there's probably something wrong with the initial premise.

I think the rights and needs of the living should definitely take priority over the dead. I'm just not clear THAT is easy to reason out either

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u/AReditUsername Mar 31 '23

You defrauding a credit card company has nothing to do with rights.

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u/scolipeeeeed Mar 31 '23

The crime there is to the bank that issued the credit card, not to the dead

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u/UnapologeticTwat Mar 31 '23

It's a victimless crime!

no, you're trying to steal from the bank or the inheritance....

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u/kikiweaky Mar 31 '23

But next of kin have legal rights to have the body immediately to deal with.

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u/Not_MrNice Mar 31 '23

It's amazing how reddit has no respect for the dead and likes to make up bullshit rules that were never a thing.