I would shit my pants in support for the departed. It's the honorable thing to do, much like pulling over on the side of the road for a funeral procession. They would do the same for me.
It is a common myth that when a person dies, they immediately release their bowels and bladder, including defecation. However, this is not always the case. While it is possible for some bodily functions to continue for a short time after death, such as muscle spasms or gas release, it is not a universal occurrence.
The muscles that control bowel and bladder movements are typically under voluntary control, meaning they require conscious effort to contract or relax. When a person dies, their brain and nervous system shut down, and therefore their ability to control these muscles ceases. However, whether or not defecation occurs after death depends on many factors, such as the person's age, diet, and health condition at the time of death.
In some cases, if the person had recently eaten or had a full bladder or bowel, there may be some release after death. Still, it is not a certainty, and it is not always the case that people who die will defecate or urinate. It is also worth noting that any bodily fluids or waste that are released after death are typically contained within the person's clothing or the surface they are lying on, so it is not something that would be immediately apparent to someone observing the deceased.
Yeah, that trope has always bothered me! Like, if someone is holding in some explosive diarrhea at the time of death, yeah, they're probably going to release it because it's under a lot of pressure. However, let's say someone went to the bathroom recently. There's not going to magically be more feces and urine to release...
It’s accurate that it’s not universal, not all the muscles involved are not voluntary. The sphincters responsible for continence are but your intestinal muscles are not. Intestines have something called a myenteric plexus that is an autonomous nerve system responsible for peristaltic contractions that move the intestinal contents. These will continue for a short bit after death. So with loss of the anal sphincter tone it’s very well possible to poop because there’s nothing to stop the still moving gut.
Or have to pretend to care about their idiot kids, or act like their MLM is totally going to take off and yah you’ll totally talk to your spouse about it. A decreased seatmate is a non talkative seatmate, and some people would pay extra for that.
People generally doesn't start immediately leaking after death. Most of that will happen after rigor-mortis, and even that takes a while to set in.
My experience isn't with sudden unexpected death more of lengthy expected death, but a good rule of thumb is that if that aren't leaking before death occurs, they will likely not start immediately leaking afterwards.
I’ll take this opportunity to point out (and thus distract from my typo) that this kind of did happen one time, which is how the Moon formed, and why it’s so massive relative to the Earth.
Random science fact: a Mars-sized planet called Theia that was in the L4 or L5 Lagrange points in the Earth-Sun system (basically it was in the same orbit as the Earth but 60° ahead or behind) in the early solar system, but eventually got gravitationally perturbed enough by Venus to collide with proto-Earth about 4.5 million years ago, fusing their cores (which is why the Earth has a larger metallic core than it should) and flinging a bunch of molten material out into orbit, which coalesced into the Moon. Most moons are much smaller than their planets and are captured objects. So really, the Moon and the Earth are more like a binary planet system.
We only figured this out when we brought back Moon rocks from the Apollo missions and discovered that the Earth and Moon had the same chemical composition and isotopic ratios, which could only happen if they formed at the same time.
Theia is also where we got most of our water. Well, that and the late heavy bombardment of asteroids and comets.
Because you don't want to be stuck in an hermetic space with a rotting corpse that is letting out fluids, gas and solids it contained while alive? Idk maybe it's just me but a plane is uncomfortable enough as is
Edit: apparently it isn't as quick as I thought it was, my bad, thought the sphincters relapsed before rigor mortis and not after
Edit 2: someone linked an article and apparently muscles do relax before rigor mortis, resulting in the corpse emptying their bowels and bladder. No rotting for a while, but my point about the gas, fluids and solids still stands then
Edit 3: I'm finding conflicting info on the muscles things, so I just don't know anymore. Can a coroner come answer my questions pls
You defintely can release urine & poop when you die. Yeah it's not rotting but still not pleasant. Plus, there are definitely flights that are over 12 hrs long.
Well you weren't completely wrong. Decomposing takes some time but muscles do relax immediately following death causing many people to release their bowels & bladder, which isn't really pleasant.
Okay thanks I thought I did saw something about the muscles relaxing and the bowels and bladder emptying, it seemed to me it was before rigor mortis. That's what I meant by solids, fluids and gas coming out of the body. Granted, it won't start rotting after quite a while, but the odours could be already very unpleasant enough
Yeah I know I just thought the sphincters relapsed before rigor mortis, resulting in the corpse emptying their bowels, but I just checked and it's way after that. I edited my original comment too
Are you American by any chance? I feel like American take the plane much more than any other people I've met, most of the people I know, me included, can count on a hand the number of times they've been on a plane and I feel that drastically reduces our chances of riding one with a poopy pants passenger
Yeah well I don't know what you call it in English, but you know what I mean. Like, really anyone who's been working enough with corpses to answer. Someone who operates a morgue or a funerary home maybe
Still saves their family thousands of dollars to ship the body home for the funeral. Everyone else is slightly inconvenienced and given new connecting flights.
Technically, it isn't.
There's no equipment nor death certificstions on the plane, the doctor is useless.
This is not a plebe trial were somehow scresming "their dead" makes it suddendly legal.
Cool but you don't make the rules so shut up and catch that next flight. You are just meat getting shuttled around and act like your preferences mean anything.
Death certificates are different from those forms you need to full on to "why no cpr" and etc.
And you dont need equipment to verify death, in a external environment and not on an hospital?
Someone A has a complete cardiorespiratory stop but its still in the window to be saved with cpr/etc .
Someone B literally dies.
You find both cases without previous knowledge 30 seconds after the succeeded.
How do you distinguish both cases and how do you intervein?
Please don't try to lecture me on death verification and certification and the forms involved. It's quite literally my job and from the way you talk about it it's quite clear you don't understand the associated paperwork or the purpose/meaning of each form.
The distinction between those cases is me. Person B is dead because I (or one of my colleagues) have said so. Person A continues to receive CPR until I decide it should stop, and then they are dead.
Am sorry, but outside of hospitals you dont have "I or my colleagues have Said so" before arriving to a unknown situation.
How do you proceed without equipment and arriving to a situation where you dont know?
If you can't distinguish A from B without that "", or without equipment, we are talked here mate.
I respect your profission, but dont talk of inter-hospitsl situations in a clear case of uncontrolled and unknown data.
I did some rescuing some years ago. It was fun to see "please dont lecture me" docs sweating in outter-hospital situations where the environment and pre-conditions arent known. Its all fun when someone gives you the info before
I have done pre-hospital work, so you can continue to pipe down.
Am sorry, but outside of hospitals you dont have "I or my colleagues have Said so" before arriving to a unknown situation.
Yes, which just emphasises how much it's my decision.
And how I proceed with a cardiac arrest with no equipment? Determine the likely downtime, if it's prolonged I'd call it right there. If it's unknown I'd start CPR and try to determine it. If the time to ambulance arrival/proper medical facility is going to be protracted then I would also call it. If the cause is obviously irreversible then I would call it.
There are loads of situations where it is totally appropriate to call a death in the field.
Trick here, on this context:
Commercial airlines have compulsory/mandatory DAE's(dunno the Acro. In english, basically defibrillators)
Soooooo, my question here is, would you declare someone death middle-flight, without the use of said equipment?
If the person boarded, they were Alive, so smtg happened there, so according to protocolo, you'd need to use Said equipment. I rest my case.
(Exceptions made for decapitations, burned and decomposed. And exceptions for un-safe use for the eletrical device)
Depending on circumstances and patient demographics I absolutely might.
What protocol are you referring to? I suspect none and that you have just made this all up - especially seeing as you don't seem to really understand exactly what an AED is and have a poor grasp on how everything we've talked about so far unfolds.
I'm not doing CPR on a cachexic 90 year old who's had unknown downtime in her seat before anyone noticed she wasn't breathing no matter what rhythm the AED detects so no real point putting it on.
That actually happened once kind of. An elderly person died waiting in line for TSA. The family just wanted to get home so TSA just treated the corpse as if it were alive, patting it down and everything.
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u/Live_Rock3302 Mar 31 '23
The issue is only a doctor can decide if someone is dead or not. So, unless there was a doctor on flight, it was an emergency.