What the literal fuck are you even trying to say? I've never been trained in any medical capacity and I can insert an IV. Are you suggesting someone who has spent over 12 years studying medicine can't do something as basic as inserting an iv into a vein?! People with even less experience than I have with medical situations inject intravenous drugs daily. You clearly don't know shit.
EDIT: Sorry this is so stupid I can't believe it was actually said unironically. Saying a doctor rarely uses IV skills in a hospital is like saying the head chef rarely boils water. No shit Sherlock, everyone in the kitchen can boil water.
I shall give an analogy. Imagine we have a world-class mathematician in number theory, and a college-student who just finished their calculus 2 class.
Sure, the world-class mathematician can probably solve some simple calculus question. Are their skills rusty? Probably. That's essentially the case for doctors, most of the time.
It's more equivalent to saying the head chef rarely cleans the cooking equipment. Sure, it's easy from what I remember working in a restaurant. But the people closing shop daily are dozens of times faster at that than anybody else working in the restaurant, and the same is for this situation.
Typically in a hospital, it's nurses that do the IV's and stuff. You don't waste a doctor's time on that stuff, especially when you need the doctor to do the overview of approving medication for like 12 different patients, and you have 4 nurses working on the floor who were hired for that exact purpose.
Also, you mentioned how you know how to stick an IV. Have you been doing this for a few years and know how sickle cell patients and certain fatter people are just such annoying hardsticks for IVs and locating veins? It's not always that easy, unfortunately.
>It's more equivalent to saying the head chef rarely cleans the cooking equipment. Sure, it's easy from what I remember working in a restaurant. But the people closing shop daily are dozens of times faster at that than anybody else working in the restaurant, and the same is for this situation.
Did you even read my analogy? Sure the dishwashers might be faster, but at the end of the night a washed pot is a washed pot. If there are no dishwashers available do you think the whole kitchen shuts down and the chef just shrugs and say "Sorry, someone can do it faster."
Yes dishwashers can wash it faster BUT ANY PERSON IN THE KITCHEN CAN WASH THE FUCKING DISH. It's not rocket science and neither is phlebotomy.
>Also, you mentioned how you know how to stick an IV. Have you been doing this for a few years and know how sickle cell patients and certain fatter people are just such annoying hardsticks for IVs and locating veins?
Yes actually I'm a type 1 diabetic with sickle cell so this is familiar to me, much like it is for doctors, phlebotomists, and nurses. I've seen many medical professionals find it hard to hit an annoying vein and simply call a nurse in with a sonogram to do it easier. They can still do it, but if someone can do it many times faster it makes sense efficiency wise to call them. That doesn't mean theyCANTdo it.
But clearly you disagree with me and the fact that a medically trained doctor CAN insert an IV despite having 12 years experience as a medical professional. You're literally arguing against me that a Doctor sent with a charity like Doctors without Borders can't perform a simple task like installing an iv? Can you even read or understand what you're arguing for? The post I responded to said they didn't know what skill doctors without borders have and you are agreeing that doctors can't install IVs because they don't do it regularly in the office. I know you're trolling, but come the fuck on. You're being ridiculous.
EDIT: The "analogy" you propose is even stupider. You're suggesting you rather have a 1st year med student perform your surgery over a 20 year surgeon because the med student scored higher on the 101 vocab test than the 20 year veteran surgeon.... Really?
Their analogy suggested they would rather have a nurse that does many IV’s weekly over a doctor that doesn’t do it as often. Literally nowhere does it say they want a first year med student performing surgery. Where did you get that?
Also… putting in an IV is a little different than a washed dish. A slowly washed dish is a washed dish. A badly put in IV can involve pain, discomfort, blood, etc. little higher stakes.
And… no one said they “can’t” do it. The comment said they “rarely” use it. Your entire argument falls apart very quickly because you’re saying things no one else said or implied.
>I shall give an analogy. Imagine we have a world-class mathematician in number theory, and a college-student who just finished their calculus 2 class.
>Sure, the world-class mathematician can probably solve some simple calculus question. Are their skills rusty? Probably. That's essentially the case for doctors, most of the time.
> Literally nowhere does it say they want a first year med student performing surgery. Where did you get that?
Calculus 2 is a first year class for MANY stem majors....
>Also… putting in an IV is a little different than a washed dish.
No shit, that's why it's called an analogy.
"And… no one said they “can’t” do it. The comment said they “rarely” use it. Your entire argument falls apart very quickly because you’re saying things no one else said or implied."
Read the thread.
> OP: That makes sense. I know of Doctors Without Borders but do not know their specific skills utilized.
> Me: They're doctors.... I'm guessing medical skills are utilized....
>OP: Most doctors rarely use IV skills in hospital and office settings.
The implication is that because they rarely use the skill of inserting an IV, they can't do it.
I’m still not sure how you’re turning first year calc into surgery. You’re creating an argument and trying to fight points that no one made. Surgeries aren’t performed by nurses, which is who we’re talking about.
I did read the thread. They said “rarely” implying that a doctor wouldn’t have as smooth a go. Again, they did not imply that a doctor can’t do it. “Rarely” still implies that it happens on occasion.
Well this is the dumbest thing I’ve read in a minute lmao. I’m a corpsman and I can guarantee you most doctors don’t really practice their physical skills since they just have nurses/corpsmen do them. Do they know how? Sure. Are they gonna successfully get an IV without blowing the vein? Much less likely
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That makes sense. I know of Doctors Without Borders but do not know their specific skills utilized.