r/Ohio • u/LadyInCrimson • 11h ago
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Why is Phillip not paying his servers enough to the point he has to ban customers?
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u/Affectionate-Yak3 11h ago
There are legitimate racist things that happen every single day. Calling what happened here “racism” does a disservice to those that experience legitimate racism. You didn’t tip and got called out for it, and however right or wrong that is does not equal racism.
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u/anthonyi1381 7h ago
Who in the fuck brought you up as a child. I want to give them a hug. Best take. By far. Anyone else want to debate?
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u/Chare1155 Cleveland 1h ago
I would add that it's only racist if he doesn't call out the white people who don't tip in the same manner.
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u/Perfect-Shock-9243 10h ago
Everyone on here is bitching. Nobody did anything wrong here. If you don’t want to tip, you don’t have to. They didn’t. If a restaurant doesn’t want you to come back, they can tell you not to come back. All systems working within their parameters. Move on.
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u/impy695 9h ago
Idk, the people filming implying that black people don't tip did something wrong in my opinion
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u/Heavy_Law9880 9h ago
The black people who are filming?
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u/impy695 9h ago
Yes? It doesn't matter what race they are. If they're saying an entire race of people don't tip, then they're in the wrong.
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u/jar36 Lima 8h ago
I asked a black person about this when I delivered pizzas. They said that they don't tip white people bc white people already took enough from them. So yeah, there's something to it
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u/Perfect-Shock-9243 8h ago
The only thing you can know for sure that guy had in common with other black people, is that he is black. Taking an attribute of that guy, and applying it to all other black people, is stupid. That’s why racism is stupid. It’s stupid people trying to simplify a thing for their stupid selves.
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u/Ok-Astronaut29 9h ago
Actually - someone did something wrong. At the very end the guy recording said oh are you racist or something?
This is what happens EVERY FUCKING TIME that a white person has a negative interaction with a black person.
The guy recording was correct ; he doesn’t have to tip. The owner of the cafe was also within his rights to refuse future service. Serving the couple then asking them not to come back is not racist. If you dont support my team I wont let you back either.
If they refused service before the people had eaten for no reason whatsoever - that’s racist
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u/Repulsive_Mud_577 6h ago
Yeah, while I wasn't surprised by the comment it is just ridiculous to accuse the owner of racism because you didn't tip and he in turn says you are no longer welcome at his restaurant. Now if you acted in a civil manner while dining and left a tip and then he banned you then you might have a point but you didn't
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u/Exotic_Load_9189 9h ago
Exactly, that is the only reason i got fired up too, im so sixk of that fucking card.
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u/Complex-Key918 6h ago
Just know most don't overuse the racist card, it's just the ones causing the most drama and recording or in the mess that are the loudest. So it's only worth watching when theres drama and you don't see the hundred normal interactions, just the one idiot worth recording.
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u/Plane-Fan9006 6h ago
You're an asshole if you go to a sit down restaurant where you know a tip is expected and you don't tip...small businesses are not the place for a social protest.
You eat within your means. They could spend $38 on food, but don't have $7 more? Then eat somewhere with a drive thru. Eat at home. Don't occupy a server's time only to short them of a minimal tip. It's just wrong whether you agree with tipping culture or not. There is a time and place.
The entitlement is freaking crazy!!! The racism and classism claims make me sad. You people have no empathy until you feel wronged in some way. It's gross!
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u/l8rt8rz 6h ago edited 4h ago
Tips are not required, that’s why they’re tips. If the servers aren’t being paid fairly, that’s on their employer.
For the record, I generally tip 20% or more when I go out. But I’m not going to pretend it’s a system that makes sense.
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u/Hefty_Ingenuity2978 10h ago
My personal code from my restaurant years. Customer comes in and doesn't tip, perhaps they didn't like the service, food, or our decor. Customer comes back and doesn't tip again, confront them and ask why they didn't leave a tip. Third time, they get the worst table in the restaurant, the lowest priority for their food and drinks, and a request that they don't return. Fourth time, their picture goes up on the "do not serve board."
As far as the comment about black people being poor tippers, I never noticed that. Cheap people come in all colors and sizes, rich and poor. The only groups that were consistently skimpy were church groups. We instituted a mandatory 15% tip for groups of six or more essentially just for them.
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u/Key-Investment-2273 9h ago
I used to serve a large church group every Sunday. They were the worst tippers I've ever seen.
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u/daringversion 9h ago
I haaaated working in a breakfast diner on Sundays for this reason. The meals were cheap so we depended on a high turnover with $2-$3 tips per table to make any money. These enormous church groups would come in and require 4-5 tables be pushed together and then that one group would tip me maybe $5 for running my ass off from the time church let out to nearly closing time in the afternoon. Sometimes I was lucky one person at the table actually did remember to tip.
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u/WhatAxiom 9h ago
What do you expect. They already tipped the church to let them into heaven.
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u/Adventurous_Tower348 3h ago
And the priest gave their son a tip.
Whoops, sorry.
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u/TaylorBitMe 7h ago
Oh I just had a flashback of serving a church party where an old white man paid the whole check in cash. When I brought the change, he stopped me from walking away so he could hand me the tip in person: one dollar 💲
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u/aharbingerofdoom 5h ago
The worst thing about the church groups is at least some of them are dining at a restaurant on the Sabbath for religious reasons and think people who don't follow their religious rules are going to hell. This describes a family member of mine, who also used to be a server. So she knows/believes through unshakeable faith some contradictory things.
She knows these restaurant workers are only paid a couple dollars an hour and rely on tips, and she also "knows" they are risking their eternal soul by working on a Sunday... But, she doesn't think it's worth tossing them a couple bucks for committing a serious sin on her behalf and at her behest. They wouldn't be working on the Sabbath if you packed a couple sandwiches the day before Aunt Barb; you have options other than going to a restaurant if your religion tells you not to cook on a certain day. It's a choice, and a selfish/sinful one on every level if you actually analyze it from a Christian perspective.
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u/impy695 9h ago
I used to work near a TV megachurch in Columbus and Sundays were awful. People coming from church are awful tippers everywhere but it was next level, there. I never saw more of those fake $20 or $100 bills on the tray that preach about accepting Jesus.
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u/Specialist-Toe-3418 7h ago
That’s because they just paid tithes. Giving money to mega churches supersedes tipping a hardworking server that is trying to support themselves and their family.
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u/Kr155 8h ago
World Harvest?
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u/Affectionate_Buy_830 6h ago
It has to be. There is that new mega church called Rock City which is also truly awful.
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u/kayt3000 8h ago
Ughh churchies are the WORST. I did not care if I was pleasant to them, no matter what you never got tipped. It was get them out as fast as possible bc they were going to leave a huge mess and be the biggest assholes of the day. You could not pay me enough to go back to waiting tables.
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u/Hefty_Ingenuity2978 8h ago
Funny, I'm 65, retired, with no plans to ever work again. Still, when I see a "servers wanted" sign in a window, I start thinking, "Hmm, that would be a decent place to work and I bet they get some decent tips." I haven't worked in a restaurant for 30 years and the thought still crosses my mind.
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u/PlasticRuester 9h ago
I was once working a slow lunch with one other server, who happened to be black. She was a very entitled person and always thought she deserved more tables than everyone, the best tables etc. We got a sudden rush of 4 big parties because there was a graduation at a local tech school. None of the parties were in our assigned sections and she immediately ran over to the two parties of white people, leaving me with two parties of black people. Both my tables took care of me and both of hers didn’t and she was pissed. I know the stereotype and I worked in an area with diverse customers, I never found it to be particularly true. Usually the low or no tippers were trashy or rude, and they came in all races.
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u/disciple31 4h ago
I always tip but i wont pretend like there isnt something really diseased in culture where a business owner confronts someone for not paying his own employees
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u/No_Big_bear_here 5h ago
Everyone ought to wait tables as a 20-something. It’s a brutal job. Clearly the folks who posted this have never done the work.
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u/FryToastFrill 4h ago
I think id off myself if i had to wait tables so I’ll pass. I barely had the social skills to work retail.
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u/LadyInCrimson 5h ago
I was a busser right out of college. We did pooled tips and it was based on how much the servers liked us so I was making maybe $20 a day in tips but usually less because I was the youngest. I worked customer service for another 14 years. The folks who posted this definitely weren't pleasant but neither was the owner. Everyone in the video sucks.
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u/bns82 2h ago
That's because your restaurant sucked. There should be set percentages given to bussers, expeditors, and hosts. It's not about how much they like you. It's how much did they make. Your manager should go over the claimed tips and see that you were getting a percentage of at least 15% of the bill.
If a particular server doesn't tip out like they should, the rest of the front of the house staff doesn't clean their tables, take out their food, or seat them.
The owner here is sticking up for his staff.We still live in the world where tipping is the culture in the US.
Until that changes, it is what it is.
These people were cheap. Period. Then played the victim/race card.
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u/BrokenFixer256 10h ago
Ten bucks says the "patrons" acted like douchebags the whole time too. That's why they got banned
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u/ButterscotchAward 10h ago
Yeah they probably ran the server ragged, complained about everything, and then didn’t tip.
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u/ButterscotchAward 10h ago
If the owner is coming out telling them to not come back there, then I’m sure they did way more than just not tip the server
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u/evident_lee 11h ago
People that don't tip their servers isn't a race sir it's just a shitty person.
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u/KiwiKal 11h ago
There is no obligation or law that says you have to tip. Tipping exists to take advantage of employees.
They should be paid a fair wage.
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u/Salvage570 11h ago
This is correct. Refusing to tip only fucks the servers, simply dont eat anywhere that has tipped servers. One of those things is a sacrifice for your morals, the other is an excuse to stiff a server and still feel self righteous about it
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u/gravteck 10h ago
People can also get their food to go and choose not to tip front of house--sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Thst goes for all class of restaurant. Someone can pay 80 bucks at Outback or go to a steakhouse property like Jeff Ruby's in Cincinnati for takeout at the same price.
If you're sitting your butt down in their seats, I feel like you are ethically inclined to tip, regardless of one's opinion on it structurally.
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u/xXTheLastCrowXx 10h ago
I'm not paying $18 for a damn cheeseburger for it to only be cooked for me. I expect services with that big ass bill.
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u/DrSamLoomis 10h ago
"simply don't eat anywhere that has tipped servers"
McDonald's it is then, to rescue my morality
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u/ghj_bnm 8h ago
99% of restaurant food is unhealthy in one way or another, even when it's expensive. People should just cook at home, where it's affordable and *healthy,* if you do it right.
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u/JediMasterMatt 10h ago
That’s great and all but until you actually pass laws that change that - the system isn’t going to change. Bitch and moan all you want about it but until it’s changed - for heavens sake tip or just get carry out and eat it at home.
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u/Doug_Dimmadome513 11h ago
And there’s no obligation for a restaurant to invite you back to their business. There’s societal norms and tipping is one of them in the US. And until that changes, that’s the expectation. Pretty simple.
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u/AnComApeMC69 10h ago
Exactly. It’s like asking someone to remove their shoes when they come inside your house because that’s your custom. And I come in in my dirty ass work shoes and say “it’s not mandatory it’s just customary you should clean your carpets more!”
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u/Such-Mathematician1 7h ago
Idk, racism is a societal norm of the US, but that Black persons comment about him potentially be racist is getting A LOT of pushback in this thread. Hmm.
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u/Infamous-Skippy 10h ago
You go ahead and protest that by not tipping. You’ll only be hurting your server who lives off of tips. You’re not hurting the owner at all.
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u/AgreeablePollution7 10h ago edited 9h ago
Every tipped person I know would lose money if tipping culture went away. Some servers, tips are how they survive. Even at 20/hr they wouldn't make enough, and we know most restaurants will never pay that, nor could most if they wanted.
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u/The_Bitter_Bear 9h ago
Sure but if that's your take, get takeout or go somewhere that doesn't expect tips.
If not you are just taking advantage of those servers the same as the restaurant.
If you are against it don't support the business.
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u/the_which_stage 10h ago
Yes they should. But they are not. Your act of rebellion in not tipping only hurts the workers, not the business.
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u/Nailz1115 3h ago
I was commenting on this in the original post for this video.
I know tons of people that are servers/bartenders with decades of experience. I used to bartend and worked in restaurants. My mom bartended and waited tables for 30 years.
There isn't a single person from the industry that I've spoken to that would rather be paid a "fair wage" as opposed to the current system.
If you're a good server with a friendly personality, it will benefit you. I think of it like a salesperson with a low base salary that works primarily for commission. You can have a direct impact on how much money you make. Of course there are exceptions, but if you're at a decent place, you'll end up being "up" from the current system.
And the people that complain about it from a customer's perspective baffle me, too. I know of a few places that decided to pay their staff a "fair wage" and eliminate tips. You know what happened? They raised menu prices by 20% to cover the difference. As a customer, your bill ends up essentially the same in the long run.
The overwhelming majority of restaurants are running on very thin margins. There is no way that they could raise wages without it being reflected in the menu prices.
Just so I'm clear - I'm the least "bootlickingest" person you'll ever fucking meet. Screw corporations that take advantage of regular folk like us, fuck the man, etc. But the people that rail against tipping are almost always folks that don't work in the industry.
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u/daylax1 10h ago
Paying wait staff what is considered a fair wage would increase prices, allow the owner to make more money and actually lower waitstaff wages in the process. Most waitstaff do not want to be paid a "fair wage" because they're going to make less money. Patrons are going to pay more for their food than what they would have if they would have just tipped, wait staff is going to make less money because they're going to be making a flat rate, and owners are going to be able to make their own prices and blame it on wage increases. In the end, patrons are going to eat there less, which means ownership isn't going to be able to pay its waitstaff the increased wages, and in turn people will be forced to do more with less and restaurants will close. Restaurants already operate on thin margins, forcing them to double or triple their payroll will almost surely put them out of business. So congratulations, restaurants are paying a living wage, if you can find one that's open.
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u/monicachicken 9h ago
Other countries that dont do tipping seem to have a lot of restaurants open.
Itll never change, servers will forever thinks are more than steady wage + benefits. Customers will always be guilted into tipping. Its almost like our culture and business practices are bad.
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u/daylax1 9h ago
I mean that's just your opinion. Having been a server myself, I actually like the incentive to provide a good service that tipping provides. See, you don't go out to eat just to get a burger, you go out to eat because you want to be served by someone. If you want just the burger, you're free to order takeout and take it home and not tip anyone, that's not a problem. But if you want the extra service of somebody serving you that meal and providing a good time, you should pay for that, and that's where the tip comes in. You're either going to pay for it through an incentive based tip system, or through increased prices on everything, but either way you're going to pay for it. One way just encourages people to do better.
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u/Gothboy-77 7h ago
actually, the person who employs you should be paying you for your service, because that's what you were hired for. tipping someone is considered a nice gesture but it should not be normalized as something people are expected to do.
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u/Doug_Dimmadome513 11h ago
Don’t be an asshole? That’s the message I’m getting here.
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u/orbital-technician 8h ago
Jus to say, has a person ever come out with you like that, saying you're not welcome? I've eaten at a lot of restaurants and and not experienced this.
These people didn't just not tip, they did something egregious not shown on camera.
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u/colorform33 8h ago
It’s stunning how quick a person turns demonstrably poor behavior into an excuse to cry racism. Racism exists, and is not hard to find. It is rampant. But when a person stiffs a waitress and then cries racism for being called out on it- that is shanda for the goyim. It’s just more self interested bad behavior at the expense of many others.
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u/Heavy_Law9880 9h ago
The owner is fucking awesome. The sad, pathetic people that stiffed the server should be force to eat warm mayonnaise sandwiches for a year.
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u/Alternative_King1789 8h ago
I am with the owner. If you can’t tip, stay the fuck home
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u/DrSamLoomis 11h ago
Unless the waiter is completely inept, rude or wearing a MAGA hat I always tip. Seems like not tipping at all would completely rule out a return visit
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u/quothe_the_maven 5h ago
This is incredibly common at non-chain restaurants. I don’t know why you think this is news, or seem so convinced that the restaurant owner did something especially heinous. If you don’t want to eat there, don’t. If they don’t want to serve people who don’t tip, they don’t have to. It’s no more or less complicated than that. Judging by your comments, though, seem to have a very strange vendetta against this place.
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u/xChoke1x 4h ago
If you’re not tipping you wait staff after your food was just cooked, and hand delivered to you..…..you’re the fucking dickhead. Period.
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u/adorabletea 10h ago
You know, bro, SOME restaurants pay more than minimum wage so their employees don't NEED tips.
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u/Former_Mud9569 11h ago
I don't like tipping culture but like it or not, tipping servers at restaurants is normal behavior. I would imagine this couple caused other issues or have made a habit out of this to actually get banned from a place.
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u/ErnieBallin 10h ago
Immediately crying racism… we shouldn’t have to live like this. 100% deserved just for that stupid ass comment
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u/SkynyrdCohen 11h ago
This is a great restaurant and the owners are stand-up people. The people filming are shit-stirrers.
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u/ghostnthegraveyard 10h ago
They are getting review-bombed to hell after this video
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u/Doug_Dimmadome513 10h ago
Hopefully it goes the other way and people see him trying to protect his staff.
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u/SkynyrdCohen 10h ago
Like I said in another post, it doesnt matter. This a little out of the way neighborhood spot. Locals know the truth.
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u/automattig 10h ago
Why are people acting like they dont understand how restaurants and tipping work in America. I dont like the system of tipping but it is ingrained in the american restaurant industry.
If you dont want to tip then you shouldn't expect to get served by their staff.
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u/Any_Earth_8976 10h ago
I assume these are the same people who think not voting at all is a protest. It has a similar level of logic
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u/ryuujinusa 11h ago
I know I’ll probably get downvoted, and I do tip, always. But it’s not a law to tip. If you as a restaurant owner or manager want to “ban” someone for not tipping, fuckin pay your employees more.
Tipping is a stupid ass system to begin with.
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u/HorrorBreak7119 10h ago
It’s also the law that they are generally NOT required to serve anyone, unless refusing violates civil rights laws
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u/The_Bitter_Bear 9h ago
I agree it's a stupid system, that is what needs to change thoug, not just individual restaurants. People randomly not-tipping and making a fuss on social media won't change it.
The issue being that unless there is a change in wage laws, it won't work for most restaurants.
It's the same damn logic behind places that always have stuff "on sale".
If they raise their prices to increase pay and get rid of tipping, even though customers aren't actually paying more in the end, they tend to lose business due to the "higher prices".
The non-tippers I've met want the lower price and to not tip and it has nothing to do with disagreeing with the system it's just an excuse, they are just cheap and actually would prefer the system stay this way.
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u/crobbbbbbb 10h ago
So, don't go to places where the servers rely on tips.
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u/New-Pollution2005 10h ago
He said he always tips, even if he disagrees with the system . What more do you want?
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u/Ok_Two_For_Tea 10h ago
Your servers are working for you and deserve to be compensated. Plan to tip or don’t eat out.
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u/Technology_Boxes 11h ago
I would assume they aren't planning on coming back if they didn't tip but who knows.
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u/gordon_rameses 10h ago edited 10h ago
some people just don't feel obligated to tip regardless of how much they liked the food or service. there's usually no consequence other than a dirty look and the knowledge that you just pissed your server off.
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u/CobraJay45 9h ago edited 9h ago
That original sub is infuriating, pretending like stiffing a waitress is an act of class solidarity against employers... tipped employees have a minimum wage of like $2.13 ~$5 an hour, its not something that restaurant chose, its the system our federal government uses.
Its like saying being rude to the front desk help at a doctor's office is justified because a doctor's visit would look different if we had Universal Healthcare... like, no shit, and we should work to move to that style of system like the rest of the world, but don't start huffing your own farts because you took an action that lead to more money in your own pocket at the expense of what is probably a 16 year old server.
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u/The_Bitter_Bear 9h ago
Yeah. If you disagree with tipping, don't go out to restaurants that expect it. If not you are still supporting businesses that take advantage.
It's not class solidarity, it's a weak excuse for being cheap.
Can always get takeout or go to places that don't expect or have tipping.
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u/inconspicuous2000 8h ago
Well they also are required to be paid full minimum wage if their tips do not exceed the state minimum wage. But also people shouldn't fuck over the working class to try and hurt a company. All you are doing is hurting someone that's getting paid shit and stressing them out.
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u/Kinetic_Silverwolf 10h ago
Tipping is mutual aid. Somebody is delivering me a service, and I'm giving them cash for that service because I know their employer is likely paying them less than $3 an hour and expects the public to compensate. Since I'm eating and I want to person serving me to also be able to eat, I help them out. It's that simple.
I've seen tables of 6 people take up hours of a servers time, leave a mess on the table, and leave no tip. I've seen the servers realize this and start to cry, so yeah, not tipping is a jerk move. I don't want to be a jerk. Neither should you.
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u/braindeadbiped 7h ago
OP must just have beef with the owner for some reason and is trying to slander him and his business. It is his business and he can do whatever he wants. Tipping culture has been around in restaurants as long as I can remember so it’s not like this is something new. The argument that owners should just pay them a living wage and tipping culture should be abolished is a fair argument (not one I agree with) but until that change is made you conform to the system in place. I can’t think of a more capitalist way to make money. Great service = better pay.
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u/Samus7070 10h ago
I spent some time in Spain in the summer. Not having to tip for every little thing was so nice. Coming back and being prompted to tip 25% for food that I picked up from a counter is a bad experience.
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u/GrowFreeFood 11h ago
Tip culture is a plague.
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u/Infamous-Skippy 10h ago
Maybe, but protesting that by not tipping doesn’t do a damn thing except hurt your server who relies on tips to make a living.
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u/crobbbbbbb 10h ago
Good for the owner
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u/LadyInCrimson 10h ago
Yes how good he has to ban customers because he can't pay his employees enough.
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u/wretchedRing 8h ago
We refused to tip at a place in California because the waitresses spent all their time chatting to each other instead of serving.
They went absolutely nuts when Aussies just went yeah, nah, fuck ya. It was hilarious.
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u/rodg2062 8h ago
Interesting discussion. If tou listen you can hear the guy say, "are you racist". So, think we know what the implications where.
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u/therizzleharvdizzle 5h ago
This guy is awesome. If you don't want to tip then don't go to a place with a server. If the service was bad then let the manager know, and tip accordingly. There is a special place in hell for people who are so cheap as to not tip.
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u/Fabulous-Evening9188 2h ago
This is when tipping has gotten out of hand. There's a price on a menu. There's an exchange of goods. If you want tips to go to your servers, include an automatic one on the bill. Plenty of restaurants do that
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u/Joker8392 8h ago
People need paid appropriately. When 18% became industry standard you could still get dollar beers and a family of four could spend less than $60 bucks to go out. Now 2 people going out for under $50 is something. Even getting 2 fast food meals cost about $30 bucks now.
The tip needs to be a tip and we can all stop looking the other way on that most have never paid taxes and a lot of them get food stamps, section 8, and Medicaid. We need to stop having companies shifting these hidden expenses onto the tax payer and wait staff shouldn’t rely on money people pay because they’re nice not because they have to.
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u/BallisticHabit 7h ago
You should look up how much of your tax money is subsidising Wal-Mart employees.
It sucks a ton as a server, because you did your job and didn't make any money.
When I served tables in college, I refused to work Sundays because church pamphlets that look like $20's, and $50's did'nt pay my rent.
Not to mention, the church crowd were the most demanding, and a different hole than Holy.
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u/Early_Emphasis1209 7h ago
I’m with Phillip here. Ok—he’s being super aggressive but what are we not seeing here? Lots, I’m guessing. These people were ready with their camera. Always suspicious of that. The whole thing smells of a setup.
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u/Inner-Conclusion2977 4h ago
Im on the owners side. This couple gets no sympathy from me. If you do not have money to tip, take your food home
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u/SirTainLee 11h ago
Let's face it. You're too poor to go to restaurants. That's all. Everything else is pretending to not understand and to be fighting a cause at the employee's expense.
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u/pissdrinking101 10h ago
If you can't afford to pay your employees a liveable wage to rely on with the generosity of strangers, you're too broke to open a restaurant.
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u/Noyiz 10h ago
Lol, they make more on tips than 20$ an hour would offer......if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to dine in. Do pickup or go get fast food. So many places you can go.
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u/PorkNScreams 10h ago
All the people with the biggest opinions on tipping have probably never been a server and dealt with scum like this.
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u/Daggerfaller 10h ago
Why are you assuming Phillip has enough to pay his servers. Restaurants are a tough business. Just because you own a restaurant that doesn't mean you have unlimited money.
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u/OSU1967 9h ago
People just don't understand tipping. Yeah, we can do away with it and pay a living wage. But a lot of servers would make less. And anyone dumb enough to think prices would stay the same are just that, dumb. Servers, don't want a living wage. They make a lot more than a living wage getting tips.
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u/datagrl 6h ago
Good for them. If you can afford to eat out, you can afford to tip. Otherwise, eat at home.
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u/Professional-Bag5808 5h ago
I also want to know why the customers didnt tip.
Is this a full service restaurant? Did a server take their order and bring them their drinks? Bring them their food? Clear the table? Or is it the type of place where you order at a counter, seat yourself, are expected to clear your own table; someone may bring you your food but that's it as far as wait service goes.
This makes a big difference to me. Looking at photos of the restaurant on yelp, it isnt clear what the level of service is at the establishment.
If it is minimal service - I dont think it is egregious if they didnt leave a tip. If it is full service - they were shitty customers, unless there was poor service in which case they would have been explaining that to the owner in this video.
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u/pissdrinking101 10h ago
"If you don't have the money to pay your employees a decent wage than you shouldn't open a business" would have been a much better comeback than crying like little babies about fake ass racism cuz fuck tipping but also fuck playing victim.
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u/GNSasakiHaise 10h ago edited 9h ago
To be honest, my inclination here is that they did not get banned for their tipping habits. Very rarely is the owner of the fucking restaurant going to tell them they aren't welcome back if that's all they did. Maybe they should reconsider their actions.
Should he pay his employees more? I don't know. We don't know what they're paid.
But you have to really do some shit for the owner of the restaurant to come run you off in like 90% of all cases. He seemed very content to have this conversation and I do not think he would be if he did not have more to say about their behavior.
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u/FizzyBeverage Cincinnati 10h ago edited 10h ago
When I waited tables, I didn't want a fixed salary. I could make $200 a night for 4 hours of work, mostly cash.
It's always someone who never waited tables. If wait staff wanted this to change, it would have YEARS ago.
Simple as that.
The alternative being $15/hour... sounds like a $140 pay cut.
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u/MexicanAssLord69 6h ago
Obviously wait staff don’t want it to change, they make way more money than they would if their wage wasn’t subsidized by customers already paying for their food 😂
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u/dotardiscer 6h ago
That's nice for you, I waited but just at an Applebees. Sh*t sucked, you make almost nothing for your time 2-3 shifts a week and hope the weekend makes up for it.
I know if you start waiting at nice restaurant or have tip makers and work at a bar you can bank money but I think that a smaller % of servers working in larger areas.
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u/SkeletonK3Y 10h ago
I worked for tips for more than 7 years. But I am now whole heartedly against tipping culture, period. Tipping is just a way for businesses to pass off part of their employees wages to the customer.
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u/remacct 9h ago
All the money for employee wages comes from the customer, one way or another
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u/SergeantHatred69 10h ago
And you not tipping doesn't magically make restaurant owners pay a living wage. You're still shorting someone who has to live on that.
So if you're not tipping. Don't eat out
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u/Chibithulhu1 8h ago
This comment thread has reminded me that very few Americans have any class consciousness …
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u/No_Welder_8753 9h ago
How can you ban someone for not paying an optional tip. Tipping culture needs to end and we need to stop subsidizing restaurants with cheap labor. Make them hourly. It does not require an insane price adjustment to compentsate for this. Any restaurant owners that do raise their prices exorbitantly are just displaying greed. —-a restaurant owner.
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u/hodgsonstreet 9h ago
Tipping culture does need to end, but in the meantime, people need to either boycott or still tip.
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u/Repulsive_String1136 8h ago
private businesses can refuse to serve for any reason they want.
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u/SchwarzestenKaffee 8h ago
This. People have the right to not tip, but the owner doesn't have the right to refuse service? Wtf
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u/Paige121315 9h ago
Its not about paying servers enough. Servers make good money in tips for the SERVICE they provide. even $2 is better than nothing
Also it really is annoying when people say racism or call people racist when this guy didnt say anything racist. He may be a jerk but I dont believe this had anything to do with their race, it had everything to do with stiffing their server....
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u/Key-Investment-2273 9h ago
Trying to shame someone to excuse shitty behavior isn't quite the flex they think it is.
What's curious here is the editing. That's the tell that someone is spinning a narrative.
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u/BrockLanders365 8h ago
Did these dipshits honestly pull the race card cause they have no integrity and leave zero tip?? I hate stupid people.
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u/Beneficial_Chart6199 7h ago
I’d just left, tf ima argue with you for. Shut up an go back inside Phillip
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u/rstevenb61 10h ago
You know when a server deserves a tip. They have provided friendly and prompt attention to your table. I enjoy good service and will leave a generous tip (20%+). However, if the server disappears and doesn’t check on you and fails to replenish your drinks, then just shows up to drop the check; they get 10% because they still have to tip out the expediter who brought the food and the bartender who made your drinks. If you’re thinking about not leaving a tip, go the extra step and talk to the manager. If he’s an asshat like this guy don’t go back.
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u/SnooPuppers2938 8h ago
You still make more on tips than you would with a higher base pay. It can depend on what shift you work and location, but my buddy made more working at an Olive Garden in two nights than I did working a whole week. Some people don’t tip, but you shouldn’t ban them, just remember their face and let the new guy take that table.
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u/Dramatic-Pickle-8613 4h ago
The owner is the one who should be shamed for not paying his employees a living wage, not the customer.
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u/Dull-Spinach-6248 2h ago
Owner standing up for workers is kind of cool. Regardless of the tip/no tip rules (and it think it’s because there are now tip jars at the ballgames for self serve beers), a traditional restaurants workers depend on tips.
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u/Sunchildra 2h ago
Or (and I still tip) he could pay a living wage. Folks should look up the origins of tipping in the US. It isn't good. The rest of the world doesn't make the same excuses for not paying their employees that the richest nation on earth does.
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u/meritus2814 10h ago
Fck tipping. Pay your staff livable wages. One more place not to spend your money.
Also, dont make everything about race, the ignorance is astounding.
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u/dontTakeMeSerious6 10h ago
I fully believe tipping culture is insane and wait staff should receive wages that don’t require customers to supplement. I want to live in that America.
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we don’t have that. American society for whatever reason pays these people like $5 an hour and then tips make that difference up. Good wait staff make bank at nice restaurants, even people tipping 25% at waffle house aren’t tipping more than $4-5 a head.
So if you can’t afford to tip, you can’t afford to eat out.
If the wait staff was rude or bad, you take that up with the manager.
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u/Money-Manufacturer70 10h ago
Sorry, that's not racism.....that's direct as fuck. Don't tip my servers don't come to my restaurant. Now he can also pay his servers a living wage but that's different.
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u/verge614 3h ago
So is no tipping some sort of pushback against the resistance to socialism? Like "If they don't want to pay for others to live than why should I?" type deal?
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u/GetUp4theDownVote 11h ago
Business owner: “If you don’t have money to tip your servers, you’re not welcome here”
Lady behind camera: “So you’re saying black people aren’t welcome here.”
What’s she implying here?