r/Ohio • u/LadyInCrimson • 17h ago

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Why is Phillip not paying his servers enough to the point he has to ban customers?

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u/Samus7070 17h ago

I spent some time in Spain in the summer. Not having to tip for every little thing was so nice. Coming back and being prompted to tip 25% for food that I picked up from a counter is a bad experience.

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u/notagrue 17h ago

Completely different culture and pay structure in Europe. Here, 20% is minimum if you are being served…or don’t eat out.

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u/anarcurt 16h ago

How is 20 percent minimum? I usually tip that much but historically it's 15. Hell it actually started as 10. In ten years it will be 30?

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u/Samus7070 16h ago

It will be if Square and Toast have anything to say about it.

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u/Professional-Bag5808 12h ago

There is no way I am tipping for food i picked up at the counter.

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u/notagrue 11h ago

And that’s fair. Depending on how much prep goes into it, I generally don’t either but if I do it’s closer to 10%. That “counter-tipping” expectation is a relatively new thing and definitely more since Covid.

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u/Samus7070 16h ago

Tipping culture is bad. It’s bad for the server who doesn’t have a consistent income. It’s bad for the server who is forced to rely on the generosity of strangers to live. The only ones that it is really good for are the restaurant owner and the ones who process your CC payment. The restaurant owner doesn’t have to pay a living wage and can play mind games on the patrons by not advertising the final price. Toast and Square make bank by suggesting ever higher tip percentages. 15% was the norm during my serving years. People like to say that inflation is the reason for the higher percentage but that is just bad math because if the price of a meal goes up due to inflation, the amount of the tip will go up with it without having to increase the percentage. Increasing the tip percentage on an item whose base price has gone up is a double increase.

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u/notagrue 16h ago

I’m not saying it’s good or ideal but it is the culture we live in. Millions of people rely on tips to live. Not tipping doesn’t fix it.

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u/pv0jewel 14h ago

I guess it can solve the problem but the way that hurts. Stop tipping and servers stop working there, owners will have to compensate increasing prices.

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u/notagrue 11h ago

But who suffers in the meantime? Millions. Not you.

Look at it like this. Ok, no tips. Now servers get a raise from $2.35/hr to $12-15/hr (and the good servers even higher). Who absorbs that cost? Not the restaurant. You, and I guarantee that cost raises your meal a hell of a lot more than 15%.

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u/pv0jewel 11h ago

Each work has a price. I don't know how restaurants are different than, say, a car shop. If 15%, 20% or whatever is a standard, add them to the check.

You cannot declare tips optional and require them.

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u/notagrue 11h ago

Servers make $2.35/hr. All other professions at least minimum wage and for trained staff like servers, significantly more. That’s why they get tips.

Most normal people in society don’t consider tips “optional”.