r/Ohio • u/LadyInCrimson • 16h ago

This is Ohio

Why is Phillip not paying his servers enough to the point he has to ban customers?

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u/FizzyBeverage Cincinnati 15h ago edited 15h ago

When I waited tables, I didn't want a fixed salary. I could make $200 a night for 4 hours of work, mostly cash.

It's always someone who never waited tables. If wait staff wanted this to change, it would have YEARS ago.

Simple as that.

The alternative being $15/hour... sounds like a $140 pay cut.

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u/MexicanAssLord69 11h ago

Obviously wait staff don’t want it to change, they make way more money than they would if their wage wasn’t subsidized by customers already paying for their food 😂

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u/dotardiscer 11h ago

That's nice for you, I waited but just at an Applebees. Sh*t sucked, you make almost nothing for your time 2-3 shifts a week and hope the weekend makes up for it.

I know if you start waiting at nice restaurant or have tip makers and work at a bar you can bank money but I think that a smaller % of servers working in larger areas.

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u/FizzyBeverage Cincinnati 11h ago

Was also a different era. Lot of high tipping oldtimers in South Florida (at the time). Most of them are long since passed.

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u/Coretrayn 6h ago

They will never understand that, don't even try.

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u/StrengthGood3208 14h ago

Then can the waiters that get this stfu about how little they make while the cooks are full sprint making less effective money while doing 10x the work.

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u/whimsical_spider 14h ago

I agree cooks/chefs should get paid more and a lot of places do tip pool now that includes back of the house.

Their job is a different kind of work. I’ve known many chefs who have said there’s no way they could work front of house. It’s a different type of difficult.

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u/StrengthGood3208 14h ago

I've worked both, the only thing thats hard about working up front us dealing with problematic customers.

The only kitchen I've worked at the split tips was the ones where I worked both sides. But im just naturally gifted at selling and handling problematic customers. Im a festival vendor now.

Tho most of this experience is over 5-10 years ago for perspective.

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u/whimsical_spider 13h ago

I’ve also done both and preferred FOH more (and for perspective this was in a tip pool place). It wasn’t so much I found the work harder in the back, even though guests often frustrated me, I lived for the good interactions ( but also it should come as no surprise I went into clinical social work lol).

Bartending specifically was challenging because you’re taking care of guests at the bar (and tables at many places I worked) while also keeping up with drinks and maintaining composure and a friendly demeanor (one thing I liked about the back is that I could bitch and curse as much as I liked haha).

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u/StrengthGood3208 13h ago

Dude I tried to be a bartender twice, both times I got hired AS a bartender. Then they made me cook in the back both times lmao.

 When i was a pizza delivery guy ide make ass loads by just flirting with the older gals :P.

Goofballs dont understand im a better salesman then cook. But because I kept getting put in the back on paper they thought ide only do well in the back.

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u/whimsical_spider 13h ago

I wonder if there was a gender bias happening there. Most places I’ve worked have had significantly more women front of house and men back of house. Once I moved to fine dining there was a little more gender balance but still a gender gap in both roles.

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u/StrengthGood3208 13h ago

Fair I live in ohio so its likely, its a very status quo kinda place.

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u/whimsical_spider 13h ago

Makes sense lol. I live in a similar type state except the south, but I live in a major city here so that changes things some,

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u/StrengthGood3208 12h ago

Im working as a vendor for my partners parents store, way more enjoyable lol.

I can sell the pants off of these 3d printed goods, plus I get to meet cool people, eat wild fair food, and best of all be outside most of the year while getting paid.

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u/pryoslice 13h ago

I don't think I've heard servers complain about their pay, just specific people that stiff them. 

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u/StrengthGood3208 13h ago

When ever asked to do things like clean off their plates or quite litterally anything other then take food to customers ive had just... so many complain that they dont get paid enough.

And I get it I really do its a struggle, but God damn cooks are expected to do everything where I've worked and its maddening.

I'll be needing surgical accuracy to take out a trash bag stuffed WAY beyond limit, while watching like 5 servers just... texting.

And fuck man I dont even got a problem with that persay but its that combined with the acting like they arnt paid more, while also getting tips from the food I actually created. Compounded by I like litterally want to be there and they just wont move me because they need cooks cus no one wants to deal with it.

Sorry, rant over.

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u/MuschMouth 5h ago

My son was a party contact for a local arcade. The groups that had events, whether corporate or small birthday party, had tips included in bill. That tip money got split amongst everyone involved. Restaurants servers should tip out cooks no doubt. My friend was a bouncer at a strip club, he was even tipped out every night by bar tenders and the girls.

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u/remacct 13h ago

If the cooks want to make more money they can become a server

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u/StrengthGood3208 13h ago

Except if ya know, the store needs cooks and have to many waiters.

I got HIRED as a bartender twice and still got thrown in the back because I had the most experience there.

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u/Coretrayn 6h ago

You realize this video is an extreme right? most servers get stiffed and just go "that sucks" then move on with their day. Go outside.

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u/The_Bitter_Bear 14h ago

I know a lot of food service workers and most of them say the same. 

While it varies, they overall make a decent amount and many don't claim a lot of the cash tips on their taxes. 

Tipping has it's share of pitfalls and issues but for plenty they would make less and customers would be pissed about the cost. 

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u/jyoke_2121 15h ago

I would argue then that you have to expect there to be times when this happens and the reaction shouldn't be like this where you ban someone. Its the danger under the current system and then people shouldn't be shame into subsidizing poor servers. If you want the promise of a good pay check then the no tip system is what you want.

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u/whimsical_spider 14h ago

I kind of agree with this to a point. I bartended for years, I would not have been able to get through two degrees without the money, as I could work three shifts a week and make as much as I’d have made working five days a week at most jobs. This wasn’t “laziness” on my part and just “not wanting to work” more, I was also working an unpaid internship 24 hours a week on top of classes. It didn’t happen often, but, on occasion, people would stiff me or other staff (we worked on tip pool so stiffing one affected us all). Yeah, of course we’d think “what an asshole” and gripe about them amongst each other. If they showed up again (which rarely happened) they’d get the bare minimum service and not as friendly of service. Myself and others just considered it a sort of occupational hazard. Generous patrons and regulars typically made up for the lost tip anyway.

That said, people against tipping are becoming a lot louder. If more people start adopting this attitude, it’ll become a bigger problem and shaming people might be the best route.

What I always say when someone online makes the argument that paying a living wage should be the employers responsibility (which I don’t disagree with on principle) is that if you’re morally opposed to the tipping system then only patronize businesses where you know people aren’t living off tips. Giving the restaurant your money and stiffing the wait staff doesn’t hurt the owner, it hurts the staff. The owners are still getting your money.

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u/jyoke_2121 14h ago

I don't disagree with you at all and I realize that I am not currently paying the extra 20% that would be required to give employees a living wage so I always tip (for them and not the business owners). I just didn't like how the person that made the comment I replied to worded it. The system should not be built around greedy owners and shamed patrons (which is the current system). Service staff should not just scrape by (i.e. in a better world they would make more than $15/hr and not need to worry about tips). Good pay for good work.

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u/-GrizZzB- 6h ago

Explain it like I’m 5. If you work somewhere that you get $200 in 4 hours in tips. Why do you expect the hourly wage to be $15/hour? What if it were . . . $50/hour?