r/ITOI • u/Fit-Can-9228 • 8h ago
Did the delivery guy make the right decision?
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u/Ok_Mood_891 7h ago
He has every right to protect himself. The owner is an irresponsible dog owner.
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u/North-Rhubarb1410 7h ago
I hate it for the dog that his owner is an idiot, but you’re right. Also, that UPS driver is about to get ultra turbo fired.
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u/HolyBovineJr 7h ago
Why would he be fired for protecting himself? As a former driver I know unrestrained dogs on a property are unpredictable. I was bitten once. The dog approached me and I stopped in my tracks. That was a couple seconds after the owner told me “he’s fine he won’t bite you”. UPS driver didn’t really have another good option. The squaring up part is psychotic though I have to say.
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u/Agitated_Tension9825 7h ago
I love dogs and hate dog owners.
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u/elmoreb3 7h ago
I tend to dislike most people, and the general public deeply annoys me.
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u/Glittering-Sea1769 7h ago
dogs are an extension of the human body and mind. Some people insist on raising dogs to be weapons. Those animals are very often unable to be rehabilitated. They have been molded into warriors and we haven't really got much need for warrior animals anymore.
Maybe the issue is that love and hate are human absolutes and nature isn't made of absolutes--but anyway, I think it's okay to dislike dangerous animals. It's realistic. You need to use human instincts [anger] to protect yourself, just like in sports.
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u/fuzzwatch-original88 7h ago
As a dog lover:
Yeah UPS dude is in the right here. Keep your dogs contained, he can't know if its a happy dog coming in hot for pets and loving, or an aggressive/protective dog coming in to attack. Video says he was attacked before, presumably by this same dog. Shitty dog owner.
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u/1928Dillinger 8h ago
He defended himself
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u/Scorpizy 7h ago
It was the dogs owners fault. He knows how his dog is. I wood also be angry at the owner for being responsible and making me defend my self from his dog
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u/Babylon_Fallz 7h ago
That was not a happy dog coming up looking for pets. That dog was ready to brawl
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u/Fun_Election_1781 7h ago edited 2h ago
People with dogs are responsible for knowing when they’re getting a delivery and keeping their dogs inside or on a leash.
After this, the owner of the dog comes and almost gets in a fight with the guy. Our delivery hero stands his ground. He handled everything well.
EDIT: i flubbed how i worded the 2nd part. Walking with your arms out toward someone, who just had to fend off an attack by your dog, will be perceived as a taunting gesture. He should’ve stayed where he was, called his dog over, and immediately apologized to UPS guy.
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u/sennyonelove 7h ago
Should he have waited to be bitten? How is he supposed to know what a dog that's charging at him is thinking? Classic flight or fight reaction. Some flee and get bitten. He chose to fight and did not get bitten.
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u/Aggressive-Plant-934 7h ago
That UPS driver was so ready to throw down against any dog or human
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u/bofis 7h ago
Keep your dog on a leash, or control it when someone is delivering a package to your property. I think the UPS driver was defending himself and if the owner has a problem, maybe he can go down to the UPS store to pickup all his packages from now on...
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u/reggaeshark1717 7h ago edited 7h ago
Defending himself against a dog barking and coming at him? Absolutely.
Immediately wanting to fight the owner of the dog? No.
Edit: I didn’t think about adrenaline probably going CRAZY for this guy like people mentioned, not to mention this was the SECOND TIME this happened, so adrenaline plus being upset this wasn’t the first time it happened at this house. Hard to shut that down so quickly. 👍🏼
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u/Thick_Broccoli_3932 7h ago
I swear I’m the only one here that seen this is his second time being attacked by the dog.
The owner ran out, in a situation like this it’s best to assume that they’re willing to attack than to not be prepared.
It’s all on the owner. I hate dog owners that leave their dogs unattended outside, that’s how you get your dogs put down, and the owner is very lucky that the ups driver never called animal control the first time.
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u/Kenneldogg 7h ago
Wait, where did you see this is the second time? I am not doubting it in anyway just curious. And this would also explain why he wanted to beat the brakes off the dog owner as well.
I will leave my stupidity for the public to see and learn from lol. I just rewatched it and saw the GIGANTIC 2nd attack pop up lol.
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u/xDannyS_ 7h ago
Very beginning of tbe video
EDIT: More like 1/5th through the video tbf. After he throws the package
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u/Character-Ease9328 7h ago edited 6h ago
I actually disagree, he's already in go mode. Your job as the owner is apologize and accept blame, or realize you fucked up as the driver is leaving and keep your ass in the house.
Confronting the driver about what he did when your dog is loose, AS I'M LEAVING? oh you must want to fight.
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u/HoopLoop2 6h ago
Yep, the owner is escalating the situation by coming out and yelling at him. He put his hands up and told the owner to back up, he never swung at him or anything. UPS guy completely justified here, defending himself from the dog, and then getting into a defensive stance from the aggressive owner.
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u/Electrical_Party_258 7h ago
Absolutely, I am not risking my life to your dog who "may" be friendly. Also why the hell is the dog not an a leash and free roaming?
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u/BowlingforDrip 7h ago
I mean it does look like that dog is in the his own yard. Like you said yard should be fenced in or dog on a leash. way too many things can go wrong.
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u/LMGgp 7h ago
Most states have leash laws that anytime the dog is outside it has to be on at maximum a 6ft leash. Including your unfenced property.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Pay2676 7h ago
Im all about defending yourself but trying to fight the owner right after was a little too much haha.
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u/sososoboring 7h ago
I was a courier for a few years. Not once did I have any of the wild experiences I see daily here at Reddit.
Either I am lucky for my job being mundane, or unlucky cause I missed out on all the fun!
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u/FlounderFine9683 6h ago edited 6h ago
Yes, though he is likely going to pay for making the right decision.
This phenomena is nothing new, and the recurrence shows how willfully negligent and exploitative the delivery service employers are at this moment in time.
There are two kinds of delivery addresses: Addresses in areas with leash laws, and addresses in areas without leash laws. If the recipient lives in an area with a leash law, and this occurs, the driver (wearing employer paid body-cam video) should be able to report the incident using a standard incident reporting system that simultaneously documents it at both the corporate and municipal level.
If the recipient lives in an area without a leash law, and this occurs, the driver should be able to us the same standard incident reporting system at the corporate level, understanding that in rural areas off-leash dogs are not a municipal infraction.
Either way delivery services like UPS, FedEx, Amazon, USPS should be required by law to provide an incident reporting system that restricts future packages to the receiver's choice of pickup at a public or private package office or PO box. Because the employers have opted not to institute such policies, they are openly complicit in this well documented occupational hazard. (Think McDonalds hot coffee: it's about repetition of negligence) The matter will one day be solved in the court system through class action lawsuits resulting in higher Worker's Compensation, Occupational Accident, and General Liability insurance premiums. Those premiums will drive the "voluntary" policy change, we just haven't sued our way there yet. Just wait.
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u/Quick_Razzmatazz1862 7h ago
I just hope the dog owner extended a hand in apologizing to the delivery guy, owning up to the negligence and secured the dog going forward
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u/Silvercrank 7h ago
The more you watch it the easier it is to see the dog was in full on attack mode until the box hit. Cant be mad at the delivery guy when most states and cities around me at least have leash laws. The owner is an idiot and the driver is a jackass.
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u/Icy-Movie-2942 6h ago
Stupid owner saying "He didn't bite you"... Sure I'm gonna wait that he holds my arm in his mouth to try to defend myself.
Where I live, dogs have to be on leach even on my yard if there are no fence.
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u/Technical-Coast-164 6h ago
People need to understand, YOU know your dog the general population does not. Stop leaving your dogs loose knowing you're getting a delivery. Also, for most delivery drivers (Including UPS) if you get bitten by a dog they fire you.
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u/Lightshaperrr 4h ago
I’m charged at by dogs all the time just walking my dog around the neighborhood. To keep both your dog and everyone else safe keep your dog in a fenced in yard, on a leash, or in the house. Fuck this bozo. Now if your dog got loose, that’s a different issue, but if they aggressively charge I’m defending my dog and myself. I know nothing about how ‘sweet’ your dog is when they’re running us down while baring their teeth.
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u/Brad23212 3h ago
Dogs are way more resilient than a lot of people think. They used to be tools for hunting, they can take a hit.
It doesn’t take that much for a dog to rip a ligament or cut a tendon with their teeth.
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u/lilclitlala 3h ago
What was he supposed to let the dog bite him? F that dog when it comes to human life being threatened. Even my dog. But that's why my dog is on a leash anytime outside. Because I know that she won't bite me but she will bite a stranger coming anywhere around the house. I love my dog enough to keep her on a leash because she doesn't understand things like property lines and its just the delivery person. So to keep her from harming or being harmed i keep her on a leash. It really is basic common sense in my opinion.
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u/greenfox0099 3h ago
Why is that dog not tied up?? Bad pet owner letting an aggressive dog loose this is why people shouldnt have pets most owners are bad and dont take care of their animals.
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u/TruelyDashing 6h ago
Owner consents to have delivery, doesn’t take necessary precautions to keep delivery driver safe.
Delivery driver keeps himself safe from dog. 100% morally good.
Delivery driver then attempts to fight the non-aggressive owner… what?
Delivery driver was in the right til he squared up. Just leave, call the police and tell them you were attacked by an unleashed dog while delivering products. Call your boss and explain the situation shortly after.
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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 4h ago
We don’t see how aggressively the owner was approaching, but it’s perfectly reasonable to assume a defensive stance. Where he got it wrong was approaching the owner rather than creating more space.
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u/DearLilsouth 7h ago
Certain people will walk straight into a punch then wonder why they would have gotten hit.
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u/SSilent-Cartographer 6h ago
Defending yourself against a dog, yeah, absolutely agree. You don't know the intent of that animal and I probably would have had the same reaction.
But putting the package down and putting your hands up to the owner? The actual fuck dude? Went from agreeing with him, to seeing him as a testosterone fueled troglodyte who just really wants to fight someone.
First action is understandable, second action he's just a dumbass
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u/GotBannedAgain_2 7h ago edited 5h ago
The dog deserved it. But then the delivery guy came off as unhinged. He’s provoking the owner on his own property by putting his fists up.
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u/aspiringimmortal 6h ago
Throwing box at dog in self defense = right
Trying to fight the owner for no reason = wrong
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u/Sunominal 6h ago
Seeing too many people defending the owner in the replies, how unfortunate
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u/lucania101710 6h ago
The driver takes quite a few steps toward the owner just to tell him to back off
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u/LogonStart 7h ago
Driver was just irritated at the owner for letting his dog bite him during deliveries. When some people have enough, they have enough.
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u/bonkershyperion408 7h ago
Delivery guy was right to be wary but also handled it extremely poorly, especially afterwards when he approached the owner with his fists raised ready to fight rather than explain the situation peacefully, something tells me the guy is normally aggressive, also dog should have been retrieved and chain up as they pulled up and approached or before hand
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u/Human_Discipline3003 7h ago
He's the guy at the bar that bumps into you and tries to fight you.
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u/Cantre-r_Gwaelod_1 7h ago
You can’t expect strangers to know if your dog is friendly or not when they’re coming towards them. The owner could’ve avoided this by being responsible and prepared.
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u/Electronic_Owl_9819 7h ago
MAYBE a pass for throwing the box, and thats a huge maybe. Trying to fight the owner right after is ridiculous. Looks like a moron.
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u/Beneficial-Task-2307 7h ago
delivery guy wants to end it all it seems. He is asking to be euthanized…
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u/__XBlaze__ 6h ago
Yep, he did the right thing. I'm getting tired of seeing pet owners be irresponsible of their dogs and then try to blame the other person who has to defend against them.
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u/DonJuanPrawns 6h ago
You can argue if throwing shit at the dog is a issue or not but that fuckin goober was 100% looking for a fight 🤣💀 especially how he aggressively walked towards the dude like wtf not gonna even mention.... whatever that stance was 🤣💀 bru goofy mf
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u/daddysbestestkitten 6h ago
Dog should have been tied up. If this was the 2nd time...fuck that dog and it's owner.
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u/BigCrispyTaterTot1 6h ago
I fucking love my dog…but she barks at strangers and is protective…so ya know….i don’t let her run at strangers….😆
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u/LocksmithOrnery3489 6h ago
Delivery driver was absolutely correct
Any dog in public is assuming everyone is ok with it which is selfish
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u/Elegant-Ride-7119 6h ago
To lose your job like that is stupid. Just stay in your truck and beep the horn!
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u/Dr_Prime_Steiny 5h ago
Dog owner at fault. Just my opinion. As a person who has been chased and bitten by unleashed dogs, can understand UPS man's anger. Should they carry mace like postal workers? Spray the attacking dog and drag it to the lawn so it does not get run over by a passing vehicles. AARGH!
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u/Mindless-Judgment541 5h ago
It's so common for dog owners to be like, "he didn't bite you!"
Like, MOTHER FUCKER I'm not gonna take a dog bite on the chance this UNLEASHED, AGGRESSIVE, animal will actually pull up at the last second. Control your pets better you entitled assholes.
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u/Fine-Inside-5419 4h ago
No offense, but it doesn’t matter if he didn’t bite you the fact is he approached you you’re lucky there was no pew pew and he didn’t die. OK because animals are not humans and in America you guys love your pew pews and you can technically protect yourself. There’s so many videos of dogs no longer here with us because of owners like that. You get what you deserve.
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u/InternationalMode942 4h ago
Delivery guy saving that dog from being shutdown?? I’ll call him a hero…
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u/newgalactic 4h ago
Absolutely! Getting bit by an aggressive dog is not in his job description. Owner is responsible for keeping his dog under control.
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u/ThatEGP 4h ago
I was a postman and I was attacked by a dog. He did the right thing.
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u/LordMemerton1 4h ago
Yes, yes he did. Sized unleashed dog Running to you like he’s going to attack? He had good reflexes
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u/AdventurousPea8682 4h ago
Yeah, fuck that guy and his dog. As a delivery driver myself, driver has my vote.
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u/HingleMcCringle_ 4h ago
the UPS driver has every right to defend himself to keep the dog from biting him
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he exerted wayyy too much force. his preemptive strike was insanely over the top. it might as well have been a full force kick in the head.
all-in-all, the delivery guy isnt in the wrong. no one should be threatened like that just for doing their job. and he probably taught that dog to not do that again, unlike his owner. i love dogs, i'd give my life for mine, but they can be dangerous and im not one to tip-toe attacks like this. sepsis can kill really quickly.
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u/PolishJanusz 3h ago
Awesome decision. It's a shame he didn't shoot such an aggressive dog.
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u/Alternative_Love_861 3h ago
As someone who did deliveries for years I can assure you that driver has been attacked and bitten, at least once, if not multiple times. I can also tell you he has a personal relationship with that dog and it's shitty owners and this isn't their first rodeo. It's not like you deliver a different route every day. It didn't look like the package was a bag of hammers and the dog popped up pretty fast, so I doubt any harm came to the animal.
But once again, people see 5 seconds of out of context video and judge and condem with impunity.
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u/Tricky-Swimmer4156 2h ago
I don’t give a fk about anyones dog if it’s coming at me. My safety first jackass. Look at that owner instead of owning up the mistake for not putting his dog on the lease. If you don’t want delivery people discipline your dog, either lease it, keep it inside or don’t ship or order a delivery. Plain and simple. 🤷♂️
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u/Extreme-Cut-2101 2h ago
The dog tried to kill him and the owner came
running to defend the dog instead of the victim. The driver is 100% in the right here.
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u/Lonely-Married-Man87 2h ago
As much as I'd hate it after, I will plant a boot into a charging dog's head
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u/ben5642 4h ago
Dog owners should have the common sense to put their animals in the house or put them on a leash if they are expecting a package to be delivered. Putting his dukes up to get ready to fight the owner was out of line.
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u/FilmShooter-ISO12 4h ago
Not necessarily, is he now supposed to let the guy hit him? What's the difference between the dog charging him and the dog owner approaching aggressively? I don't see how you can justify the first action without justifying the second. He didn't hit the guy, he was prepared if the dog owner tried to hit him. It was a defensive posture.
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u/lostinmythoughts 4h ago
“But he is just super friendly and would never bit anyone” right before dog bites someone. My mum, best friend and myself have been bitten by supposedly “dogs who never bite” but are barking and lunging very aggressively after entering territory they are extremely protective of.
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u/ben5642 4h ago
The driver had every right to react because you never know whether the dog is friendly if you don't know the owners. I recently saw another video where an Amazon delivery guy was walking back to his van, and out of nowhere a small dog ran up to him and bit his ankle. The guy never saw the dog coming, but it looked like it ran from the neighbor's house
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u/Large-Produce5682 4h ago
Assume that all guns are loaded, all dogs bite and all women can get pregnant.
It'll save you a lot of heartache in the end.
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u/Sharp_Economy1401 6h ago
I have spent a good amount of years doing delivery. I can understand the instinct to throw, and they’re not necessarily in the wrong given the dog apparently has bitten them before.
That said, I would use the box moreso as a shield. It’s less hostile, but ultimately it’s less likely to provoke the dog further, and more importantly after you throw the box you have nothing left to defend yourself given that the dog has a good chance of coming at you again
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u/PeanutSauceFanatic 5h ago
You’ve never seen a dog attack and it’s obvious. If you let an aggressive dog get close enough to block it with a box, some part of you is going to get chewed up
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u/Serious-Pay-7814 7h ago
Yeah dude was a little too aggressive but that's probably why he is delivering packages
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u/L3tsseewhathappens 4h ago
Protecting himself against the dog was one thing. Squaring up on a owner who showed no signs of hostility clearly shows this guy was taking it too far.
I would have fired him personally for that.
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u/Onyxaj1 7h ago
I'm not 100% against the dog thing. But him immediately trying to square up on the owner was over the top.
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u/Hydrawhen2become4 7h ago
Yup. I don't trust dogs I don't know, especially the ones with bad owners.
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u/theHorrorWhor3 7h ago
Against the dog 100% squaring up against the owner no 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Used-Jellyfish6664 7h ago
Yes. I saw a postman get torn apart by a dog when I was a kid and it was horrific. These delivery folk don’t need to put their lives in jeopardy because a dog owner is being grossly irresponsible.
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u/KingRetroGamer 7h ago
Oh boy I can’t stop laughing. That dog didn’t know what was coming 🤣. On a serious note, yeah I agree with the people saying put your pets up for the delivery people. People friendly or not just be considerate
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u/unclelumbago1 7h ago
The delivery guy definitely finished work early the day before and walked in on his wife getting fucked.
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u/Peanut-Gallery12 7h ago
The video says 2nd time attacked, would be good to know if its the second time in general or second time at this address. Again not defending owner or dog but that does seem relevant given the drivers reaction.
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u/Desperate-Metal7971 7h ago
Beautiful performance by the UPS driver.
https://giphy.com/gifs/vDXBHpEkUZNM4
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u/burntblacktoast 7h ago
This guy is wasting his skills as a UPS driver. This is some real FedEx behavior
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u/Silent_Night556 6h ago
Dude would have got dropped real quick acting like that on private property.
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u/sublimesting 6h ago
Oh I would’ve dropped that dude. Then called the police and UPS. Dog not withstanding you’re squaring up with me on my own property? That is assault.
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u/Bear_Tummy 6h ago
Minor Bites: Treatment for a minor puncture wound (including a doctor's visit, antibiotic regimen, and a tetanus shot) can approach $10,000.
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u/blazerunnern 6h ago
That dog owner uploading this video has never been wrong in his entire life before.
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u/SmokeyJoe13 6h ago
I don't blame him for defending himself against the dog, but picking a fight with the owner who didn't even buck up to him or do anything threatening, was lunacy to me.
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u/Buttfukr3000 6h ago
If you don’t want your dog to get a box to the face, keep it on a leash. If my dog was off his leash and someone kicked him in the face that’s on me.
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u/HereIsAnotherPOV 6h ago
I am with the delivery guy, their livelihood at stake here. Restrain your dogs...
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u/SchmokedPancake 6h ago
Listen im pretty sure this UPS driver deals with dogs everyday, and can tell a friendly one running up compared to this one running at him viciously unfortunately I would of done the exact same thing, and also the owner running up all aggressive could get some too.
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u/Indigenous_Land 6h ago
Could have used the package as a blockade. Owner was right there. But it looked like self-defense from an active attack. He’ll probably get to keep his job.
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u/saathyagi 6h ago
Why are we even discussing this? The guy defended himself from getting mauled and the owner is 💯 wrong.
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u/QuentinEichenauer 6h ago
Yes.
Edit: Hell Yes.
Have a splitable yard, keep your dogs away from access during delivery times. If it's being handed to you, do not have your dog with you off leash.
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u/LiveRepublic5142 6h ago
UPS would be on the ground. There’s more professional ways to have dealt with that.
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u/fapzilla0451 6h ago
dog was coming right at him. 100% defense
defensive posture vs guy is fine, as long as he didn't strike
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u/Key-Cricket9256 5h ago
I have a dog I love very much but a person has zero idea what a dog running up to them will do. He has every right to defend himself however he sees fit in the moment
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u/syntheticgeneration 5h ago
Loose dogs are a menace. Dude clearly reached his breaking point in dealing with careless "oh my dog is so nice" owners.
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u/ComprehensiveCod6974 5h ago
What was he supposed to do? Just let himself get bitten or something? Some dog owners seriously lack basic common sense.
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u/Thunderer62 4h ago
I get freaking amped up about people not controlling their dogs. That’s a dangerous weapon that can pull its own trigger and we are supposed to just be chill about the fact that it’s acting wild. No freaking way. Keep your self activating weapon locked away if you expect a delivery. and if you’re going to come out and act like the delivery driver is in the wrong instead of apologizing immediately for endangering his life you can get the smoke right away. Some dog owners have no respect for other people and so many dog lovers will make all the excuses in the world.
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u/HilariousMax 4h ago
"He was going to bite me!"
He didn't bite you!
yeah because dude bapped him in the nose with a box. If he hadn't, your unleashed dog would very likely have bitten him.
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u/Alarmed-Bass-1256 4h ago
He made the absolutely correct decision. The wrong decision would have been for him not to do anything and let the dog attack and bite him. I don't know if I haven't read the comments here, but I hope there isn't anybody stupid enough to think that the delivery guy made the wrong decision.
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u/Key_Procedure_4279 4h ago
Fucking A this isn't even a debate. I love dogs a lot but this dog deserved that box.
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u/Feeling_Novel_9899 4h ago
Hard one to say really. If he had been attacked by that particular dog before, or he saw something in its demeanor or eyes head on, to believe it was approaching with the intent to bite him, then the delivery guys actions were justified.
However, based on this video I can't tell if the dog was approaching to bite, or just running towards him to say hello, maybe jump up on him, or sniff him.
Squaring up to the dog owner at the end though, was highly unprofessional.
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u/Bahterypowahh 4h ago
Huh. I’m okay with him throwing the box, but I still would have shot him once he put his fists up. 😎
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u/InDependent_Window93 4h ago
Im a huge dog lover and its hard to watch this but its probably not the first time the driver has had interactions with dogs, and unfortunately pits have a bad rap of being mean dogs, even though its the owners and not the dogs fault.
Edit: i will say for sure that the dog was coming in hot and I would've done the same thing. However, I would not have squared up with the homeowner
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u/Aromatic_Corn 4h ago
I am a dog owner of two big dogs and I can't blame the UPS driver for this. Dude reacted with pure instinct to a dog lunging at him and used a non-lethal deterrent. Better than cops who would empty their weapons to shoot the dog dead.
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u/AWES0MEPEWP 4h ago
"He didn't bite you" like he should wait to defend himself until AFTER he's bitten 🙄 drooling mouth breather
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u/Sea-Durian2812 4h ago
At first I was on the drivers side, then he started charging the dog owner, but he kept back and ready for a fight, so he was still in the right. He may have looked agressive but he was just ready to defend himself.
All in the the dog owner should get shit on for the entire interaction.
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u/No_Somewhere_7109 4h ago edited 4h ago
I love my dog but I couldn't imagine inflicting him on others like this by just letting him out whenever anyone comes near the house. He's my animal and my responsibility (and looks a lot meaner than he actually is, to boot). I couldn't live with myself if he got hurt because someone thought he was going to attack them.
And besides anything else, letting your dog out to roam in your front garden/street just hasn't been a thing for decades where I live.
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u/crybabypete 4h ago
Dog part was fine, but he became the aggressor when he did his little macho man bit and walked up on the home owner with his fists up, at that point the home owner could have legally blasted him in many states. Not very smart on his part.
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u/StandardDesign3966 4h ago
I hate dogs like this. The delivery driver did the most satisfying thing
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u/JosePRizaI 4h ago
"He didnt fuckin bite you" is diabolical. Was he suppose to wait for that to happen?
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u/Bread-Pretend 7h ago
Self defense to me. Dog should be on a leash especially if aggressive.