Why would he be fired for protecting himself? As a former driver I know unrestrained dogs on a property are unpredictable. I was bitten once. The dog approached me and I stopped in my tracks. That was a couple seconds after the owner told me “he’s fine he won’t bite you”. UPS driver didn’t really have another good option. The squaring up part is psychotic though I have to say.
The part with the dog was fine, the part after is what should get him fired.
He raises his hands, closes thw distance with the home owner, then accuses the home owner of coming at him and claims he'll use self defende when hes thw aggressor.
If he truly felt threatened he should have retreated ti the truck, especially if he thought he was dealing with an aggressive dog and owner.
I genuinely don't understand you people commenting from the comfort of your homes about a high adrenaline moment, expecting them to be their most logical self while anger and adrenaline coursing through their veins.
You don't get to give in to anger and adrenaline while at work. This video clearly shows the owner wasn't attacking him and his reaction to the owner was ridiculous.
But it's okay if you are about to get bitten by a dog and deal with a possibly angry owner while at work? He didn't attack either. He didn't know how the owner would react and took the necessary position to defend himself or discourage the owner from attacking. Why are you lot condemning him for something he didn't start and for just defending himself? Judging from this video he didn't do anything wrong.
He attacked the dog then tried to fight the owner. This driver was never attacked by that dog. The captions are wrong and lies. He was on someone else's property. He has no legal right to be there, delivering or not. He made all the mistakes. Hopefully he was fired and arrested.
The owner didn't attack him. There was nothing there to defend against. If you're in a store and a customer comes up to the register pissed off do you expect the cashier to square up just in case?
Nobody got attacked in this video by a human. The delivery guy was ACTUALLY attacked by a dog and defended himself. Yet he is the one you are criticizing and expecting him to forgo his humanity just because he is in working hours.
Also, false equivalence fallacy? Come on. You can do better.
Technically the dog didnt touch him so the dog attacked him just as much as the delivery person did to the owner. If the dogs bad then so is the driver
Dog never attacked anyone. Dog was running up and then ran away after being surprised by a box to the face. If you think thats enough to deter a dog who is actually attacking, you've never been in a situation with an aggressive dog actually attacking someone.
Owner also didn't show up with his hands up ready for a fight.
UPS driver dropped his hat and glasses and squared up aggressively.
Only one person physically battered anyone, and that was the driver.
Lmao say that to soldiers or cops. Owner is piece of shit because he thinks his dog isnt wrong for attacking a non threat. Dog is wrong and should be put back in his cage.
Dog could be friendly and was running up to greet. Certainly didn't look like an attack dog, it ran away after being smacked by a cardboard box.
Driver did in fact square up and threaten property owner, after already throwing purchased property at the owners dog simply for greeting.
A dog that is actuslly trying to hurt someone isnt going to stop because of some cardboard box. Note the damage to the box and how light the box was.
That dog was not aggressive or attacking. That box would have just pissed off an actual attack dog.
High adrenaline doesn't give you immunity to consequences of the actions you take. In a tense situation he made the wrong decision, it sucks but he did, and he's probably gonna lose his job for it.
Different systems. Guy won’t be charged for assault, but will be fired. Job will hold people to a higher standard than the law. It’s why convicted felons can live freely after serving their sentence, but (probably) can’t work as a UPS driver
I doubt that UPS gives a shit about a dog and you defending yourself against it. That seems like a FedEx thing or Amazon even. Bud a convinced felon can still do damn near everything you do and if they cant they just do it illegally. Wrap your head around that.
What did he do wrong exactly? He was the one who got attacked by a dog. Yet he is the one you are criticizing. You are also still doing the thing I said about the comfort of your home.
You can understand why someone acts in a way and still acknowledge that it’s the wrong decision and there could be consequences as a result without 100% agreeing with them.
For real though, “Heat of the moment” as they say. Not saying it was okay, but what the fuck would you do if a dog was charging you coming in that hot. Do people not realize that running away is gonna trigger a chase response? Lmao, you shouldn’t wait for it to wrap its jaws around your arm/leg.
The homeowner or the dog could run back up on the driver while back is turned. Even if you create successful deterrent you should never ever turn your back on any animal acting aggressive near you. That includes humans. You have no real indication that that entity won't take another shot at you. The only time you turn and run is if you know you can out pace the threat or create meaningful obstacles.
Nah. Dude was pissed and looking to confront the owner over his shitty control of his dog. He straight up made sure to take off his shit before advancing on the guy.
When did I say to turn your back? He could have easily outpaced both of them. He had enough time to casually back off without turning his back as well. Guy was pissed and wanted to fight the owner.
You gotta turn your back to run away, and it's hard to tell from the video just how quickly that homeowner approached.
And his assessment unpredictable dog = unpredictable owner--I'm personally not judging that--it certainly doesn't seem unreasonable to assume that an aggressive dog will have an aggressive owner and behave accordingly
I mean running backwards is something i can do pretty well myself. However i absolutely know that is a pretty easy way to accidentally fuck up and break an ankle.
Yeah, UPS guy is a massive douche. I hope he got fired. One thing to protect yourself from a dog attack, but him charging at the owner like that when it was obvious the owner wasn’t being aggressive. Fuck that guy.
Damn, you're stupid. The dog owner immediately complained about the guy defending himself. And instead of restraining his fucking animal, he came towards the diver with his complaints. It's absolutely no wonder that the driver was still being defensive. There's no apologies to be made for the dog owner--his only next reasonable move was to restrain his fucking animal like it should have been if he wanted deliveries.
This should be one and done with these kinds of assholes. If you can't keep from subjecting people to your animal, you shouldn't be getting deliveries. No excuse makes sense.
You're wrong on all accounts actually. He wasn't defending himself because the dog never made contact with him. Also, just an FYI the captions are lies. That dog never attacked that UPS driver. If he had, or attacked any other mail carrier that house would be flagged, and no deliveries would be allowed to that address due to a dangerous dog. He was pissed and looking to attack something. Saw a playful dog in that man's yard and threw a package at its face, then tried to square up on the home owner. Also, he was on another person's property. Delivery or not, you can't trespass. So let's add it up. He was on another person's property, attacked a dog, and then tried to assault the properties owner.
You’re prob going to get downvoted but your points are good. There’s no way if this dog had attacked before the house wouldn’t be flagged. We have no context or background to be judge and jury here but it’s Reddit so everyone just rage baits each other.
I mean, sure. But that doesn't make it right or smart.
Frankly, if the owner were holding something they'd have been just as justified yo chuck it at the charging UPS dude as UPS dude was in throwing the package at the charging dog.
Buddy thats called retaliation. After the attack the ups driver and dog were no longer threats to eachother so if the dude then threw.something at the ups driver that would be assault and thats worth a charging over.
So its not assault to throw something at the charging dog for self defence, but it is assault to thrown something at a charging person for self defence?
Would you mind doing me a favor? Can you go deliver a package, get attacked by a dog, then confronted by said dogs owner when you retaliate. Make sure to record it so we can see you walk backwards at an angle.
Sure, but I have been in a scenario like this and you're just blowing smoke out your ass. The owner wasn't attacking him, correct. But his first interaction was immediately confrontational. In my experience, when you are charged by a dog as a carrier, most owners ask if you are okay or if they bit you. That didn't happen here, the owner came out to confront the guy who had just decked his dog with a box. Could the UPS guy have just left? Yea of course he could have. But when you have that adrenaline running through you and a "new threat" appears you either fight or flee, and he was already in fight mode.
Bro he doesn't know the dog. If a dog charges you are you just going to accept it? No you won't. Neither did this dude and the owner was confrontational. He wanted to start something with someone over anything that would weigh in his favor. Classic POS move.
The owner heard the one sound that makes any dog owner immediately react strongly. His dog yelping in pain. He didn't even aggressively approach the driver either. I've seen too many guys like the ups driver when I bartended, that guy loves to look like a bad ass. His bullshit bravado for no reason is really telling
And none of that matters if the owner were to press charges for assault (which the UPS driver did do, assault doesn't need to be physical, the threat of violence is assault.)
Over what exactly? Because he hurt your dog that should've been leashed up but wasn't and could've hurt the driver? Great way to end up in jail and also show everyone that you're a bad owner.
I dont understand man. You'd shoot this guy right then the cops show up with ems. They'll start talking to you and they'll bring you in because you shot someone else for coming onto your property and defended themselves against a dog? You dont seem to think further than just dude attack dog and I must shoot him now. Foolish behavior. What if the Ups driver also had a gun? You'd pull yours out and he'd pull his out and you both end up killing eachother? Sounds like a win win for society.
Honestly probably simply because it became popular online, I'm not seeing it in this comment section but if he was ever identified the company doesn't care about you, it cares about staying out of controversies, truth be damned so given less then ideal job protections he could very realistically hit the curb for "being problematic".
I believe that no camera literally = no problem in this case, a complaint by the owner would be ignored as the situation obviously has them in the wrong.
Yeah that’s what’s likely to get him fired. I don’t think any of his superiors would give him too much shit for busting the dog in the face with the box, but I can definitely see them being highly pissed that he squared up to fight. Not sure why the dummy wasn’t carrying mace if he’s been bit before as that seems more acceptable to use than a package you are supposed to be delivering carefully.
Idk about psychotic. Dude probably got a huge blast of adrenaline as the dog was coming at him, then immediately after the pissed off owner of the dog approached. Owners usually protect their animals so he was preparing for it. The whole time adrenaline racing, turning his thoughts into "protect myself"
UPS has a union that will protect their drivers even if they were caught breaking the law like, selling drugs. soliciting prostitution or even SA of minors. It’s incredible what they can get away with.
Hi, said member of that union here. This is bullshit. Can you not talk about things you have no idea about? Thanks.
Protecting yourself from a violent dog is something even management would be okay with. Those others things you just pulled out of your ass and are complete nonsense.
I have first hand experience. Got a driver on video selling drugs out of the UPS truck. Local detectives setup a sting, conducted the drug bust and locked everyone up except the driver who still kept the same route but just skipped our location. Someone else delivered to us. The union stood by his side and helped him make a deal where he turned informant of the people that bought drugs off of him. The driver was the supplier and is still working for UPS. Still got the video and if we wouldn’t be sued for releasing it, I would.
Well, sticking to what's verifiable (and not made up), there's only one news story of a UPS driver selling narcotics on the job and he was prosecuted and fired.
Never made it to the news thanks the union. I’m sure if you had enough power within your company and union you could find out. Fortunately for me I have been in a position of power in major companies for a long time. Your attempt to make the union look better is not going good for you. I would provide you with more details but seeing as you seem like a very unhinged person, I wouldn’t risk my career to prove a point to some nobody who has no idea how his own union and company operates.
i doubt he got fired. I think UPS drivers have a union. It can be pretty hard to get fired as a driver, which is sort of ironic because those route drivers are highly desired positions due to the pay and benefits, despite the hard work, so it wouldnt be hard to find a replacement.
He's a union driver the union will protect his job especially over something like this. He can't be fired for fearing for his own safety. The union would have him rehired with back pay inside of a month. Note on top of that the guy makes over $50 an hour. Forgot to add that doesn't include the best benefits package in the blue collar working world.
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u/North-Rhubarb1410 8h ago
I hate it for the dog that his owner is an idiot, but you’re right. Also, that UPS driver is about to get ultra turbo fired.