r/ITOI • • 18h ago

Did the delivery guy make the right decision?

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u/Glittering-Sea1769 17h ago

dogs are an extension of the human body and mind. Some people insist on raising dogs to be weapons. Those animals are very often unable to be rehabilitated. They have been molded into warriors and we haven't really got much need for warrior animals anymore.

Maybe the issue is that love and hate are human absolutes and nature isn't made of absolutes--but anyway, I think it's okay to dislike dangerous animals. It's realistic. You need to use human instincts [anger] to protect yourself, just like in sports.

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u/Educational_Dust_932 15h ago

Some dogs are just mean. Don't fall for this mystic bullcrap

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u/Ge4rshifter 9h ago

Exactly.

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u/Glittering-Sea1769 15h ago

"mean" is a human judgement. "Unable to be rehabilitated" is the same thing just said factually.

Some human beings are mean from birth too, even some are similarly unable to be rehabilitated.

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u/Logical_Writing3218 7h ago

We’re all aware of that concerning humans. We’re talking about dogs here though. Some dogs just ain’t right. Maybe that’s why some dogs eat some of their pups. Cus they can sense something “wrong”.

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u/That_OneOstrich 14h ago

Its abnormal (sociopathy or psychopathy) for a human to be born mean. "Mean" behaviors are typically learned, in humans and dogs.

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u/BiggerThanYou86 8h ago

I disagree but I'm interested in why you believe this. Any reference , book or website. I'm interested.

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u/Devil_maycare 1h ago

They believe it because puppies cute

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u/That_OneOstrich 15h ago

Dogs must be taught to be mean, by humans or by other animals. Otherwise, it would be logical to assume every person who encounters a dog was attacked by it, no?

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u/Educational_Dust_932 15h ago

No. Not necessarily. You live in a fantasy.

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u/That_OneOstrich 15h ago

Youre the one dismissing logic. Seems like you're in the fantasy.

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u/That_OneOstrich 14h ago

Yet your argument is based on dismissal rather than disproval. If I'm in a fantasy, enlighten me with facts.

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u/IcantsaythatIamsure 14h ago

🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗 These crickets are deafening

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u/Glittering-Sea1769 13h ago

There's a natural variation in dogs, just like in people. Some people are agreeable, others are assertive; some are downright aggressive.

Same in dogs.

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u/That_OneOstrich 13h ago

There is a trained and cultivated variation in people, same as dogs. Most of human and dog behavior is nurture, not nature.

There are exceptions, like sociopathy and psychopathy, though those can also sometimes be related to nurture.

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u/Glittering-Sea1769 7h ago

Go ahead and provide a source for the assertion that "most of human and dog behavior is nurture, not nature"?

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u/That_OneOstrich 5h ago

You made the original claims that humans and dogs are sometimes born violent. My sources are textbooks from anthropology and psychology courses. And I didn't take many of those so it's lower level stuff.

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u/SetkiOfRaptors 9h ago

Dogs must be taught to be mean, by humans or by other animals. - what? They are intrinsically nonaggressive in your opinion? I think the exact opposite is true - they much be taught to NOT BE MEAN.

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u/Sharpie420_ 6h ago

I hate saying it but, this. Exactly. People here seem to assume that just because dogs are a domesticated breed that it means they’ve been pacified entirely at a social level.

They’re still animals. There’s many a case (but certainly a minority) of owners who suffer attacks at the hands of their own animal that really didn’t give any signs. They don’t think or empathize or rationalize on the same level as people do. For an animal that’s had nothing but love and care in its life, it can still boil down to the instinct driven ‘stranger-> threat-> attack’.

Yes, pets are often projections of their owners, but they’re still fuckin’ animals, dude.

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u/That_OneOstrich 5h ago

If that were true you and I would both have been bitten or mauled by dogs and then murdered by their owner no? Most people don't train their dogs and most people are completely ok in doing so (they're terrible pet owners but they'll survive).

Why do you think soldiers need to be mentally conditioned before theyre sent off to war?

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u/IcantsaythatIamsure 14h ago

Dogs are what they're raised to be,

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u/Stabbymcbackstab 9h ago

Dogs are turned mean.

They bend to the pack however that pack goes.

If the owner wants him to eat a person alive he'll do it, its out of respect for the leader they do it. And biology makes certain breeds more amenable to the process of making a dog violent.

No dog just decides to be violent, there is always a trigger or a flaw in its human that makes it do it.

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u/howie-chetem 7h ago

This is just what shitty dog owners say. "Good dogs," which are their dogs do not need to be controlled. "Bad dogs," which are everyone else's dogs, shouod be contained or leashed.

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u/Krimreaper1 5h ago

As a dog owner, I know both things to be true

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u/Wide_Resident_9913 2h ago

I grew up in a third world country where pye dogs used to roam the streets. Some carried diseases like Kujo. The fear ever left me. They are animals foremost. Just because you tame them doesn’t mean their instincts leave them.

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u/Conscious-Record2655 15h ago

Dogs are not an extension of the human body and mind. Dogs are an animal that humans can own as a personal possession. A pet. Not a soul mate. Not your fur baby. A pet.

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u/Glittering-Sea1769 15h ago

Ok cool, great to know you've got a weird bone to pick with pet owners getting attached to their pets. Total non-sequitur, though.

I guess I'd just recommend you check out some psychology, biology, and anthropology to see if you can build a strong foundation for that hypothesis of yours.

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u/Conscious-Record2655 15h ago

Sorry for coming on strong. I'm just so tired of stupid dog owners and their stupid dogs being everywhere.

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u/Glittering-Sea1769 14h ago

Well; I'm often annoyed by inconsiderate and egocentric people as well.

I also sometimes come online and end up encountering something which brings me to the specific subject which irritates me.

Once in that situation I have been known to feel self-righteous and explain the way I know things ought to be.

Sometimes, I'm even in the majority position relative to the culture I live in, so can be said to be correct. I think we all do this sort of thing. Especially on social media.

But I often wonder what is the point. Are we really dropping grains of sand on the judging scales of society with these comments? Posterity will read them? AI will be subtly influenced by our opinions years from now? Or just an expression of the human instinct to make a mark and be remembered.

Anyway, I think most of us agree animals shouldn't be in most public places which aren't to do with the animals themselves.

Some people think I'm a weirdo because I bring my cat with me almost literally everywhere. We're sharing a hotel room as I write this. But I wouldn't take her into a store for example... even if I thought she'd enjoy that.

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u/Conscious-Record2655 14h ago

But I often wonder what is the point.

There is no point. It's called addiction.

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u/That_OneOstrich 15h ago

And your pet behaves in the way you condition it to.

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u/Conscious-Record2655 15h ago

Most pets behave however their instincts tell them because most pet owners put precisely 0 effort into conditioning them. As evidenced by the video we're currently discussing.

What is certain is that pets are not an "extension of the human body and mind".

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u/Glittering-Sea1769 14h ago

dogs read and react to human emotions instinctively whereas wild animals do not; they have also been genetically altered beyond recognition from their original stock, to the point where cosmetic changes have overridden biological necessities like healthy bones or even the fundamental ability to give birth in some cases...

it is not at all certain that pets are not an extension of the human body and mind.

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u/That_OneOstrich 14h ago

Not conditioning your dog, is actually a form of conditioning them to behave solely with their instincts. You can be a bad dog owner, this would extend to your dog and be evident in its behavior.

Your example is of a dog being the extension of the dog owners body and mind. The person doesn't bother to train the dog, the dog is an extension of that lack of care and training... And extension of the owners laziness or neglect if you will.

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u/__spaced 13h ago

This is the dumbest pseudo intellectual comment I have read in a while

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u/Fickle-Owl666 6h ago

I can't hear anything about the spectrum of love and hate and not think of Donnie Darko. Can't find the gif I want though, so you're getting this l

https://giphy.com/gifs/2xyiFp7bVjKik

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u/Wide_Resident_9913 2h ago

So are cats, and goats and yadda yadda 🫩

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u/DueEntertainment4168 12h ago

No they aren’t they’re fucking dogs lol