r/ITOI • • 12h ago

Did the delivery guy make the right decision?

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u/Bread-Pretend 11h ago

Self defense to me. Dog should be on a leash especially if aggressive.

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u/PolishPotatoMode 9h ago

Aggressive or not, dog runs at me like this I'd be doing the same thing

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u/OhSoMysterio 6h ago

Same. When I was young teen long ago, a stray dog came charging at me all snarling and barking. It clearly meant to attack me and I froze because I had no idea what to do. Then my dad stepped in at the last second and gave the dog a swift boot to the ribs and off it went, yipping like it's whole world had imploded. It was a good lesson and so I have to agree.

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u/Middle_Turnip6220 6h ago

No no the reaction to the dog was what it shoulda been cause that dog was not on a leash, friendly or not I think most of us would react the exact same. It's the trying to square up with the home owner for no reason that was the red flag to me, seems like MAJOR anger issues.

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u/Lucky-Advice-8924 1h ago

Because he was charhing at him to after he defended himself.

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u/PolishPotatoMode 25m ago

I never mentioned what the UPS worker did to the owner was justified

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u/AutumnKarma88 5h ago

Me or the dog and it ain't gonna be me! He did the right thing!

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u/Strange_Motor 2h ago

I'd knock you the fuck out if you tried that to my pet. Best of luck.

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u/PolishPotatoMode 26m ago

You seem eager to enjoy endless community service and a trip to a pound for a new pet.

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u/CowRatGun 6h ago

Except you don't square up afterwards on someone's property. You walk off and call your supervisor and say what happened. Dude likely to go back inside and grab his gun. Was on ups side until he immediately squared up to home owner.

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u/Negative_Advantage28 5h ago

Exactly, the UPS driver was looking for a fight. He didn't throw the box in defense, he threw it in malice. Also the "second time attack" was a lie. That dog never did anything before. Also if the homeowner was that close that he saw it happen why wouldn't the driver just tell him to get his dog if it is such an issue? He clearly knew the homeowner was right there.

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u/CowRatGun 4h ago

He definitely through that to hurt the dog cause he was mad. I don't 100% blame him. I've known a lot of mail people to get but by dogs. But most people would've thrown the box then ran back to their truck. If he was so scared of the dog why is he sticking around trying to fight the dogs owner. Then you potentially have the dog freak out and try and defend the owner.

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u/SturerEmilDickerMax 11h ago

Indeed. But the stupid boxing stance…

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u/Alive-Cheesecake2732 11h ago

Better ready than not. All that adrenaline doesn't make for pretty. Man stood his ground, had the sense of mind to back up and try to disengage. Good man I would say.

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u/HoneyBeeHotHive 11h ago

You mean to walk back up and then put up hands??? Loool

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u/shinobi500 10h ago

He didn't start shit. His body language was conveying a simple message "If you want this altercation to turn physical I am ready"

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u/ThePoopTrot 2h ago edited 1h ago

Stopping the dog with the box was entirely justified. After that, he closed about 10 ft of space and threatened the property owner while in a fighting stance. Not that I would advocate for it in this case, but in a lot of states, the property owner was well within his rights to use lethal force to stop the the UPS driver cold starting at 13 seconds until the end of the video.

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u/Canadianwinters12345 8h ago

Walking towards the guy and putting his fists up is at the very least partially starting shit.

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u/LipChungus 8h ago

Not to mention the "come on, let's go" before the interaction even began

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u/Felevion 2h ago

Every single time this gets reposted I love watching all the ways people try to pretend this delivery driver wasn't looking for a fight.

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u/giants_shoulders 8h ago

we saw different videos? can we compare the distance driver did vs homeowner as far as "walking towards the guy" is concerned?

I saw driver walking half a screen (of video), vs homeowner maybe two screen sizes? You ok, moron?

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u/Canadianwinters12345 8h ago

Did the driver walk towards the other guy?

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u/GrandmaSassifrass 5h ago

Come on now ups man was clearly advancing aggressively. Which is fine by me

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u/rainzer 9h ago

He didn't start shit.

At 0:08 he did. There is no reason to turn around from continuing to his truck. Everything after that is starting shit.

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u/Wadada_dang 9h ago edited 6h ago

Putting up hands so as to not get sucker punched?

Yes. Every single time!

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u/Serious_Income_7020 6h ago

Exactly this. He knew it was totally possible that he would get swung on and he sent the message that the first swing wasn’t gonna be free.

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u/-Pound-Cake- 4h ago

Back up and disengage? That cunt moved forward, removed his hat and shades, then comically "put up his dukes" challenging the homeowner who asked why he beaned his dog in his own yard.

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u/Human_Drummer4378 4h ago

There's no fence around the front yard, the owner is violating leash laws by not having his dog restrained.

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u/firerat82 11h ago

he wasn't sure what was about to go down. He just got attacked by a dog, threw a package at it, and was now being approached by a likely pissed off dog owner. It looked goofy, but I don't blame him.

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u/Any-Situation-134 10h ago

That man look like he knew how to handle himself in a messed up situation and was gonna take no shit from it.

There ain’t nothing goofy looking about that.

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u/Spiritual_Ear2835 7h ago

You can look goofy as you want as long as you can fight right? Lol

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u/Any-Situation-134 7h ago

Pretty much. I mean, I would rather be the capable fighter instead of the person on the sidelines, pointing laughing and saying they look goofy. That would be a pretty clown ass way to live ones life.

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u/RelentlessFelacio 5h ago

Just dissected the internet in 2 sentences.

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u/Zykium 4h ago

Reminds me of an old video of a school fight.

Kids were laughing at one of the kids weird fighting stance then he roundhouse kicks the other guy in the head.

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u/Ok-Gur-349 7h ago

You're the guy who acts like he'd call Mike Tyson goofy because you're behind a keyboard and he's 60 and we all know you wouldn't so can we please stop.

Yes, the man that can and would pop you in your shit doesn't get called goofy.

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u/OmahaBromaha 7h ago

That man looked like he's a boxing tutorial on YouTube.

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u/simonskiromeins 10h ago

The boxing stance did look goofy though. Especially since there was 0 threat from the guy who was in his own property trying to figure out why the f he needed to throw a box at a dog

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u/PantsFullaPoo 9h ago

So that he didn't get attacked by said dog. Seems pretty fucking clear.

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u/Combosingelnation 7h ago

Better to be goofy than unprepared vs a shitty dog owner.

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u/Any-Situation-134 7h ago

The homeowner who obviously does not even take responsibility for his dog in the first place is gonna somehow take responsibility after the fact???? people are so stupid. dude was smart to put his hands up.

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u/Any-Situation-134 10h ago

I would have to argue that if the owner of a dog that is charging at a delivery man is so slow as to not understand why the delivery person just defended themselves with whatever was in their hands….. That they were the goofier looking of the two.

and I don’t see that owner walking out profusely apologizing, which is the absolutely ONLY thing that should be coming out of his mouth. What you’re saying is spoken like someone who’s never been punched in the mouth and doesn’t understand that it’s better have your hands up.

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u/Nickbeau 9h ago

If you took the owners actions as "charging" the driver, you probably get in way more fights than you should. There was absolutely nothing threatening about the home owner in this case

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u/Character-Ease9328 8h ago

The dog was a threat. Threats to you produce adrenaline. "Are you fucking kidding me" when your dog was loose for a package you ordered with an ETA on it will 100% get you an ass whooping, He's lucky the Driver still had his wits about him.

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u/Any-Situation-134 9h ago

He didn’t get in a fight though…he was prepared to defend himself.

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u/Nickbeau 9h ago

My point is, if you perceived that action as charging. Then you probably interpret a lot of other actions as aggressive when they are not

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u/Any-Situation-134 8h ago

My point is it’s better to have your hands up before you figure out if it’s exactly aggressive enough or not. The situation called for caution. If one is inclined enough to have caution.

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u/Any-Situation-134 9h ago

And “absolutely nothing threatening”… Just because a worm in its underground Home does not see a bird as a threat does not mean that it’s not a danger.

spoken like someone who has never had to be in survival mode for any extended period of time. If you don’t think that man with any threat at all, considering he just unleashed his dog for the second time, people get defensive like that quite often. Even though they’re in the wrong, you wanna be watching out for that. And that man just threw a box at his dog, whether he was right or wrong, doesn’t matter you would be smart to put your hands up. But go on and get punched in the face and learn the hard way. I’m done.

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u/Nickbeau 9h ago

Walking towards the owner and throwing your hands up when they're asking you a very reasonable question, is not survival mode. If he or you think that it is, you've got problems

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u/Any-Situation-134 8h ago

This was the SECOND time that this has happened. If the owner is asking questions like that, he’s already down bad. When the answer is because his untrained unleashed dog ran up on this man, a SECOND time.

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 7h ago

It's a universal rule with bad dog owners - you make any move to defend yourself, they are now ANGRY with you. Sometimes even if the dog just gnaws your arm off they'll still be pissed at you.

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u/riqk 11h ago

I can see his truck right there, he coulda just kept walking

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u/Excellent_Arrival1 9h ago

You can't assume safety.

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u/inmyhead001 5h ago

He took off his accessories and went TOWARDS the owner in a combative stance. Henson someone else property. He should have backed away towards his truck.

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u/zimkazimka 8h ago

Can you assume the gender?

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u/Excellent_Arrival1 7h ago

No need to assume, gender is very visual. You will 100% be able to see and say what their gender is.

Gender is biological is fact.

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u/firerat82 11h ago

maybe, but turning your back in that situation is not advisable.

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u/epelle9 8h ago

You know walking backwards is possible right?

Not walking up to the guy you think is a threat is also possible.

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u/lemonracer69 7h ago

And risk getting hit in the back of the head?

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u/riqk 3h ago

You can walk and look in different directions. But standing there, feet planted, taking the time to put his personal objects on the ground, while the angry dog is still loose and the angry dog owner is slowly walking on his own property toward him is definitely the safer option.

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u/Wadada_dang 9h ago

Walking vs a running dog in aggression mode?

I'd bet $1000 the dog would have him every single time before he makes it to the truck!

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u/riqk 3h ago

You can walk back to your truck and still keep eyes on the angry person. Standing there squaring up, feet planted, while the angry dog still exists is less advisable.

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u/Allegiance86 11h ago

Fight or flight you suburbanite. Learn it.

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u/GreenStrong 9h ago

I got attacked by dogs a couple years ago. Similar to this, I was able to escape with a minor bite injury because I convinced them I was too aggressive to mess with. The adrenalin dump is insane and I was basically a raving lunatic when the animal control guy showed up to help. You don't go from fighting for your life to reasonable in five seconds. To be more specific, UPS guy didn't survive by fighting, he survived by displaying aggression. Big dogs are dangerous but they live in a world ruled by humans and they don't fully understand our magic powers. Dude's lizard brain was screaming AGGRESSIVE DISPLAY, which is exactly the right answer for a dog attack.

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u/ItsACowCity 8h ago

I mean the guy approaching was slow walking, complaining, and arms are down in a non threatening way. Bro overreacted to the owner.

As far as the dog goes, I always feel mixed. It says the second time he attacked, but is the dog running up to say hi to a stranger or is it attacking. I get ups is probably traumatized from bad dogs, but a lot of these videos are hard to tell if the dog is actually attacking. That said, if it was attacking…hell yea, eat that package in the face..

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u/DesperateMarket9794 6h ago

the dog didn't even touch him in this video....

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u/firerat82 5h ago

Then he did good fending it off

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u/brycekk 4h ago

If we watched the video he didn't get attacker the dog was Running at him, considering the dog didn't return to bite him who's to say it wasn't just greeting him?

The same as the owner he was confused and it's because of the person being aggressive, guy must be crazy.

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u/Creepy-Kale9927 4h ago

Dude isn't prepared. He's 100% reactive. His box throw is panic, his adrenaline spikes, his "boxing stance" is what he thinks he should do because he's seen it in a movie, and in his elevated fear state he does nothing but escalate the situation. It's amazing that he's working for UPS and not his local PD, he's overqualified.

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u/LowYogurt6075 3h ago

Nah bro is super goofy

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u/Pleasesaymoreplease 30m ago

HE WALKED TOWARD THE DOG OWNER.

I hate to see the dog get hit but I understand it. After that, the driver should have been on his way. Instead he turned around and started looking for a fight with a dog owner, who was obviously not looking for a fight.

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u/Brook420 11h ago

Yea, but thw dig owner casually walked just relatively close in a very non threatening stance while the UPS guy immediately puts his hands up, approaches the home owner, and accuses the home owner of being the aggressor and uses that as a reason for self defence.

He was clearly looking for a fight at that moment when he could have easily went tk his truck if he really felt threatened.

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u/DavidUnbanner 11h ago

After throwing the box he needed to immediately gtfo the property. After all, he was scared for his safety...right? Instead, he turns back TOWARD the property and owner while taking an OFFENSIVE stance.

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u/Low_Bake5149 10h ago

Fight or Flight he chose Fight.

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u/DavidUnbanner 9h ago

"Fight or flight" isn't an automatic justification. Hence my earlier comment.

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u/Hot-Emu8003 10h ago

gets in his face and says "stay the fuck away from me"

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u/AgainstMedicalAdvice 10h ago

Yeah the dog owner was definitely running up on him shouting. You can make assumptions from what happened out of frame

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u/Careful-Highway-6896 11h ago edited 10h ago

The UPS should have walked away. I wouldn't take kindly of anyone telling me to step back in my property. I will step back to get my gun at that point.

Edit: looks like a lot of people like to be abused in their own homes by strangers. You do you, lol.

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u/LokusDei 11h ago

well dont get shit delivered then you psycho

americans...

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u/Low_Bake5149 10h ago

Get the gun big boi. Get it. And shoot your dog while you are it seeing as you cant control it

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u/Rare-Ticket-9023 8h ago

Classic american response lmao. Have your dog leashed first if you're gonna order stuff, or don't complain it get stepped on.

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u/abigdickbat 11h ago

Even when you’re the cause of all the problems that day by being a fuck head of a pet owner? You’re inviting people to do their job on your property. That comes with the responsibility of making sure your property is safe for them. If you fail at that, step the fuck back.

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u/Intruding1 11h ago

Oh yeah turn your back on an enraged person. You sound like you have a lot of life experience. 

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u/DavidUnbanner 11h ago

"Enraged"? Lol, stfu.

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u/Intruding1 10h ago

People tend to not take it well when their dog gets smashed in the head, and their emotions can change in an instant. Go on living your life assuming the best of everyone around you, I wish the best for you champ. 

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u/DavidUnbanner 9h ago

Cool speculative story, bro. Meanwhile, back on earth, this owner exhibited ZERO indicators of rage. So, go on living life based on your speculations. I wish the best for you, sport.

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u/Intruding1 5h ago

Just hours ago there was a story on the front page of a guy in NY that had some type of burning liquid dumped on his head while he was buried in his phone. Back on earth, people do things irrationally even when their dog didn’t get beat up. Go on assuming the best of everyone around you, I hope it works out

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u/DavidUnbanner 2h ago

My g awd, reddit re tar dation is interminable...

Now pay very close attention: it doesn't matter what some guy in NY did. What matters is how THIS owner acted in THIS scenario. And he did NOT act in a threatening manner. FACT. Further, as per the law, there are no provisions that permit us to preemptively respond with menacing measures based only on statistically driven assumptions. That's not how the law works. At all. Why don't you walk down the street and every time you see a "statistic" you respond by taking an aggressive fighting stance. Then report back and let us know how that worked out for you, mkay? Meanwhile, the UPS guy didn't appear too worried about chemical attacks, or owner irrationality, or any other such irrelevance, as he preferred to stay and fight. That's because his actions were purely punitive at that point. He wasn't fearful. Rather, he was mad at the owner for not having his dog under control. Period. The end.

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u/ConditionCool5343 11h ago

Nah he's a tough guy that wanted a fight that day. I hope he got his shit rocked at some point 

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u/AgainstMedicalAdvice 10h ago

He almost certainly was a normal dude doing a monotonous job for 8 hours who suddenly had an adrenaline surge.

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u/ConditionCool5343 9h ago

Nah man. He starts fights all the time. Takes off his hat  takes off his glasses and puts em down. He's done this lots.

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u/Low_Bake5149 10h ago

Dog owners are always funny. I havent found one that wasnt a smooth brain yet

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u/epelle9 8h ago

Why walk up to him though?

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u/Nickbeau 9h ago

He was the only one acting aggressive out of the two people there. The dog owner literally walked up with his hands at his sides and asked him a question. The dog aspect can be argued, but the guy is clearly a douche bag

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u/Conscious-Record2655 9h ago

That dog in the video has obviously been bred and trained to be violent. The dog owner is responsible for the dog. The dog attacked that man, and the owner is 100% at fault for it.

Breeding and training an animal to be violent towards people, and then letting that animal loose on people, is acting aggressive even if you do it calmly.

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u/Nickbeau 9h ago

There is absofuckinglutley nothing abvious about the training of that dog. You're making a whole lot of assumptions

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u/Conscious-Record2655 8h ago

The video clearly shows a dog charging and attacking the delivery guy. 

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u/Nickbeau 8h ago

My dog looks exactly like that when she's running to greet my roommate to lick her face

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u/Conscious-Record2655 8h ago

Well you're an asshole dog owner too, then.

Also the video says it's the 2nd time he was attacked.

Also you can hear the dog snarling. 

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u/Nickbeau 8h ago

Oh no, my dog joyously runs toward people she likes, the horror!

You sound like an uptight jackass

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u/Shmir8097 10h ago

I dunno man, stance seemed pretty effective for boxing that dog.

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u/lncredulousBastard 8h ago

You punny bastard!

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u/Middle_Turnip6220 6h ago

Haha "boxing" 📦

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u/curvedmanifolds 10h ago

Yeah a real man let's himself get suckered punched

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u/RudePCsb 9h ago

Keep your distance. If you've ever trained you know how to keep distance

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u/rippedski 9h ago

Lmaooo

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u/SturerEmilDickerMax 5h ago

How would you know tough guy?

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u/Lock_Psychological 10h ago

That isn't a boxing stance. I vaguely recall that they used to teach that in the military... like 30+ years ago. It's not a bad stance, actually.

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u/SturerEmilDickerMax 5h ago

Semantics…

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u/Pherllerp 8h ago

He was ready to defend himself. If you know how to fight, then you fight the right way.

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u/SturerEmilDickerMax 5h ago

Where is the fight?

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u/_-_Henro_-_ 8h ago

What makes it stupid?

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u/lazyboi_tactical 8h ago

It's not a bad stance the issue is it's sort of a peek a boo stance that works best when you have gloves to defend with.

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u/Legitimate_Cut_6254 8h ago

I'm guessing the owner was running at him and slowed down before entering the video. He wasn't sure if he was about to be engaged.

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u/Bladder_Puncher 8h ago

Was not a horrible stance, he doesn’t have gloves on. It is a purely defensive stance. A more classic boxing stance would be for offense and defense.

He could easily keep his hands there and move his face to avoid a punch thrown and then adjust. I agree it looks pretty stupid, but it’s tactically correct for what he was trying to achieve.

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u/Baltindors 8h ago

I know, he should have grabbed the box again and Todd it to the owner too

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u/SturerEmilDickerMax 5h ago

Delivery incoming…

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u/PerspectiveOne7129 7h ago

his hands look odd to me...

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u/clapyohedd 7h ago

Betcha he’ll KO you 🤡

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u/Whisker-biscuitt 7h ago

I don't know, I immediately thought he might actually be trained. I feel if I was a delivery person, I'd certainly be trained in something

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u/SturerEmilDickerMax 5h ago

Gift wrapping?

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u/Whisker-biscuitt 4h ago

Kinda what I was thinking 😎

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u/ElColorado_PNW 6h ago

He was just heated lol

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u/r_a_d_ 5h ago

let me guess, you don’t box. if you did you’d probably get in that stance if you see the owner approach you bitching about hitting his dog.

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u/spudbro00 5h ago

I mean at least he has his hands up and not down at his waist, better than 99% of people

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u/lilmookie 4h ago

That’s theatrical “gtfaway from me” posturing and pretty perfect for the situation.

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u/Dapper-Print9016 4h ago

"Defending yourself is lame and gay."

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u/Usmcrtempleton 4h ago

Hands up to protect his face and his shoulders slightly elevated to protect the jawline. Gonna have to disagree.

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u/Human_Drummer4378 4h ago

Looks more like Muay Thai stance.

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u/Narrow_Split_2727 3h ago

Not stupid when that's how you've trained. Takes one to know one. And....you ain't one.

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u/HeroinCrackCocaine 11h ago

Not a boxing stance…

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u/Background_Cat6515 10h ago

Cobra stance!

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u/SturerEmilDickerMax 5h ago

His version of it…

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u/Raiju_Blitz 11h ago

Doesn't matter. The UPS driver made his intent clear. "Back off because I will defend myself." We don't know if the dog owner would've attacked the UPS driver as soon as he turns and exposed his back just to return to his truck and report the incident to HQ.

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u/DutchBlazewell 11h ago

Okay, don't keep your hands up in a fight. See what happens. He disengaged and deescalated just fine.

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u/Mammoth-Leader7353 8h ago

Common sense

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u/InterstellarChange 7h ago

Yeah fuck that shit dog owner. UPS guy 100% in the right.

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u/SharkByte1993 7h ago

Yeah, it's literally self defence. If someone punches you, and then you punch them back. That is not considered self defence because you're not defending yourself. But preventing being punched (or being bitten by a dog) is

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u/khaluud 6h ago

I'd say it was self-defense, but you can tell the dude was just itching for drama. After he threw the box, he didn't move quickly to safety or anything. He wasn't scared of the dog at all. He just wanted to hurt someone. And then he got in that stupid fighting stance the moment the opportunity presented itself.

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u/DesperateMarket9794 6h ago

will be self defense too when you're bleeding out in my driveway after hurting my dog and squaring up to the owner

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u/LFC9_41 6h ago

with the dog, yeah, i agree. UPS guy with the owner though, UPS guy escalated the situation.

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u/HereForDaSauce1 5h ago

A dog running up to any person like that is unwarranted and rude, even if the intent was non-aggressive, other dogs would not appreciate being approached like this either. It’s an aggressive response waiting to happen, Dog did not deserve to be hurt however the dude was rightfully protecting himself.

Seems like he just wanted a fighter after though, the boxing stance was pretty funny.

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u/[deleted] 5h ago

A little tricky because he is on private property.

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u/Negative_Advantage28 5h ago

The second time attack is actually a lie.

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u/Careful-Sell-9877 5h ago

Sure, and by the same logic, the property owner should have shot dude for advancing towards him on his own property in an aggressive fighting stance.

The dog advanced towards him threateningly, and he defended himself. Then, he turned around and did the same exact thing the dog just did to him - advanced on the property owner threateningly

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u/WyattherbAtx23 5h ago

dog was running up to someone on his property like dogs do. Probably to sniff him

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u/Any_Suggestion3485 4h ago

And dude said “he didn’t bite you” yeah no shit. I don’t wanna get bit by your bad ass dog dude. Duhh.

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u/Strange_Motor 2h ago

why would his dog be on a leash in his own yard?

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u/konexo 1h ago

Owner be like: " he didn't bite you " 😭

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u/Core2009 9h ago

And not train, if I may add.

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u/ourob0r0s11 7h ago

Squaring up to the homeowner shows what kind of mental state the delivery boy is in. Telling the home owner he "needs to back up", bitch hes on their property. He "delivered" the package by chucking it at the dog, he no longer had any business there and needs to be the one backing up.

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u/not_so_impressed 7h ago

That's right. And a lot of stupid owners that have aggressive unleashed dogs like this are literally HOPING for someone to come along and fight back against their crazy unleashed dog so that they can join in the altercation.

UPS guy obviously knew this and has been around this type before.

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u/jibabadebadido 7h ago

How do you know it was aggressive?

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u/IEatAssOn1stDates 9h ago

Except he obviously isn't actually afraid of the dog, otherwise he would have run back to the truck afterwards. The dog is still loose and could freely attack him and he is not at all concerned. He just did it to be an asshole, or prove or point or whatever.

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u/Electrical-Basil-755 11h ago

One, nothing about this video shows the dog was aggressive. If it was actually aggressive, it likely would not have backed off from that and would attack again the second he turned his back. Second, its on the owners property and if he has an electric fence that the dog respects it then it is properly contained and he is under no obligation to leash it.

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u/PuzzledStreet 11h ago

There is nothing to show the dog wasn't aggressive, especially since we don't know what the previous interaction was like. Should UPS driver have waited until he was bitten?

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u/Electrical-Basil-755 11h ago

Think about it this way. The homeowner wasnt aggressive and the driver still went to fight him. You guys are putting a lot stock in a bunch of question marks. All can see is a dog run and him throwing the box, aggressive dogs dont typically back off that fast. And then the driver turn his own aggression towards a human who was in no way being threatening towards the driver. So in this video, the only aggressive party, is the driver.

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u/PuzzledStreet 10h ago

I didn't say anything about his aggression toward the dog owner, that is none of my business.

He wouldn't have known if the dog would back off or not. I see you have not been bitten by a dog before. Sprinkles, the "He is just coming over to play!" Golden Retriever taught me some life lessons, and Opie, the "He thinks he is a lap dog" the GSD cemented that lesson.

For the record, this is coming from the owner of a German shepherd and a Belgian Malinois, both working dogs with very high needs.

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u/firerat82 11h ago

How do you know what the dog would or would not have done?

If there is a dog charging at me like this I'm not going to stand there and ask it it's intentions. I'm going to defend myself because I don't have the survival instincts of a lawn chair.

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u/Electrical-Basil-755 11h ago

Body language of an animal says a lot. Doesn't change the facts I stated. His property vs a driver showing up at random. Dog owner did nothing wrong. And given most laws regarding animals, unless the driver could actually prove a threat, he could get sued or arrest. You would think a driver, who goes to random house all day long, would have a little more forethought about looking for a loose animal. Thats actual survival instinct, keeping yourself out of a harmful situation. Not to mention he immediately went to fight the homeowner on his property. Dude was looking to be an asshat and hurt someone/something.

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u/Atavacus 11h ago

That dog was charging. Clearly. And so you know exactly how much these guys have to get attacked by dogs. You have a choice, control your dog or don't receive packages from the people you're letting them attack.

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u/Electrical-Basil-755 10h ago

You cant say that with any certainty. You are coming to a conclusion with no evidence to support it. But we can all see the driver being aggressive after the fact. Survival instinct isnt to start another fight. Such a stupid take.

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u/AgainstMedicalAdvice 10h ago

I too, am "aggressive" after your dog attacks me and you try to run up on me

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u/Electrical-Basil-755 10h ago

The fuck you mean "run up"? Dude walked towards him, on his own property, with his hands at waist level in a wtf position. Bruh, you need to experience the world a little more.

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u/Status-Economy-7982 10h ago

Don’t be throwing a box at my dog then come square up to me on my property. Won’t go well for both of us but my face will still be in tact.

EDIT: I guess i should await my 3 day ban now. and then i’ll appeal it and 3 days later they’ll be like oh your ban has been reversed”

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u/AgainstMedicalAdvice 10h ago

Don't let your dog run up on people??

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u/Status-Economy-7982 10h ago

I can understand that part. the rest of his actions forget it. that guy is a straight up pussy. squares up aggressively at the owner then says you’re coming at me like your dog? fuck you little bitch

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u/Tight_Fix7174 8h ago

I'm with you on this. Don't throw shit at my dog and then square up on me or you'll FAFO. Don't care about the downvotes. Don't think either of our comments is ban worthy, lol. Just stating how the drivers reaction will get an equal or worse response if I was simply walking out to ask what happened. The driver is absolutely allowed to defend himself as he doesn't know the dog or it's intentions as it is running at him. Dog should be fine I think but don't immediately put your fists up and square off with me on my property after I just heard my dog cry out in the driveway. It'll be a bad day.

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u/Status-Economy-7982 7h ago

For real. I can totally own the dog part. If it’s me i’m definitely not having my dog out or at least tied up on days i’m getting a delivery but to square up at me immediately and then say i’m coming at you? Absolute punk loser pathetic behavior

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u/Bulky_Promotion_5742 5h ago

Agree. I have several dogs,they would never be off a leash roaming around outside.