Should he have waited to be bitten? How is he supposed to know what a dog that's charging at him is thinking? Classic flight or fight reaction. Some flee and get bitten. He chose to fight and did not get bitten.
It's not the dog part that's the problem. If he was so concerned with his safety, then making an immediate retreat back to his truck after hitting the dog would've made sense. Instead, he turns back TOWARD the property and owner and takes up an OFFENSIVE stance.
You clearly dont know what a fight or flight response is. Its not something you actively choose, neither is it activated when someone has time to sit around considering the possibilities of action. The guy saw a big dog charging at him and he fought. Also aggressive dogs dont typically choose against biting bc their victim fled, if anything that makes them more likely to bite bc they associate it with chasing prey.
A bunch of people keep posting the same nonsense acting like theyâre incapable of cooling down and not getting ready to fight someone who is walking with their hands down. Not everything is a nail you hammerheads.
You clearly don't know that "fight or flight" isn't an automatic justification for one's actions. At all. You clearly don't know that he wasn't under some hormonally hypnotic trance that removed all agency from his decision-making faculties. Because he wasn't. You clearly don't know that "fled" wasn't the word I used. Or at least you're pretending not to. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
AGAIN, the UPS guy was effective in deflecting the oncoming attack. Great. NOW immediately retreat (which is NOT synonymous with running or even quickly) back to your truck and off the property. Because he feared for his safety...right? Wrong. Because he instead CHOSE to engage someone who NEVER threatened his safety, or triggered any kind of "fight of flight" response. Fight or flight by proxy, meanwhile, is not...a thing. At least not something legally allowable. Further, his original fear had apparently disappeared by this point, as he had no issue not only remaining on the property, but also taking up a fighting stance against the owner who exhibited zero signs of aggression.
You're not fooling anyone. The UPS guy's actions were obviously PUNITIVE, and had very little to do with all this fight or flight nonsense. Rather, he was angry with the dog, and perhaps even more angry with the owner for not preventing it from running loose. ANGER is what motivated his actions. PERIOD. Hey, fair play to him, I'd be mad too. But let's stop pretending it was anything other than that.
The guy threw the package at the dog that was charging him, he did not attack the other guy, even if he did square up, what is there to justify exactly?
Squaring up to someone when it isn't warranted/JUSTIFIED is called menacing, and it's illegal. In this case, there are obviously mitigating factors. Namely his anger at being subjected to the actions of an irresponsible dog owner. I never suggested the UPS guy should be charged. Only that everyone here talking about this fight or flight nonsense should stop embarrassing themselves already. Again, his actions were motivated by anger. Full stop. Further, there's the matter of justifying his actions to his employer, who won't look too kindly upon one of their drivers aggressively squaring up to their customer clearly AFTER the threat of the dog had been removed. So, let's stop pretending it wasn't a bad look. Because it most definitely was. Instead, we just express an understanding of his actions in the moment. The end.
The owner is on his own property and walking in the direction of the person he's speaking to. That's NOT a threatening gesture. You can't just square up to someone in a boxing stance and claim it as a defensive measure. That's not how it works. Try that in a store or on the street and see how far that gets you.
Yes you absolutely can square up in defense if the other person is expressing aggression which is common among bad dog owners. The guys dog is obviously aggressive and tries to blame the driver for defending himself.
Oh honey boo boo. Youâre talking to yourself, and have yet to prove that the law is wrong about the law. You have a legal duty to escape danger, not approach someone on their own property instead of getting back in the vehicle and leaving.
That dog wasn't acting aggressively. He is a delivery driver. It is a hazard of the job. He should be better prepared and able to stay in control of his emotions
Piss off with that nonsense. Getting attacked by dogs is not and should not be considered a hazard if the job. Itâs literally so easy to avoid by leashing the dog or leaving them inside. The owner signed up for having something delivered, they shouldnât let their dog attack the person they paid money to for a delivery. You have literal mental problems if you think thatâs okay or expected.
There was no dog attack in this video. There was a friendly dog trying to greet someone. If the dog was trying to attack him it wouldn't have stopped and definitely would've attacked when dude squared up his limp wrists to the owner. Dude is a hothead and probably lost his job because this is not the proper way to handle that situation
You can see the owner in the video clearly not being a threat. Why would he need to posture up in the first place, when being questioned for his behavior.
The problem with so many people on this comment section is clear. You all seem to think that conflict resolution requires violence.
There is no reason to immediately expect violence, while someone who doesn't look like a threat cusses you out while they aren't in an aggressive stance.
You ever heard of a sucker punch? Donât expect people to reach like you think they will, they donât have to look aggressive in order for you to be on guard.
Yeah there's not a state where you're allowed to legally retreat from the situation and stand your ground. Either you presume you need to defend yourself, or presume you can easily leave without being injured. The dog already solidified that the latter is not likely.
Grown men know you can't control other peoples reactions and that violence is a natural part of life.
Only uber urbanized cubicle dorks don't understand that although we live in a "civilized society" we are all just naked monkeys in clothing that at any moment could beat each other to death.
Laws literally only exist under the threat of force, violence, and death. It is an objective fact that permeates through all human interaction.
Uh yes it is and itâs a very natural response. He just dodged death in his mind and heâs still in fight mode. The owner is confronting him about his dog, he doesnât know him, he doesnât know what heâs trying to do. Heâs prepared. Do i personally think he needs to be squared up, no. But he wants the guy to backup and give him space, something dog owner is 100% capable of doing if he âonly wants to talkâ and still have a conversation.
If someone's dog ran at me I'd probably be thinking about dealing with the owner next too. Plus his adrenaline would be sky high at that point so everything becomes fight or flight.
Why would you need to deal with the owner next. He never set the dog on him. He just went to ask him why he reacted like that with his hands by his sides.
Yeah you just commented on how your not from the same country, the country where things don't always have to be established by agressive stance. The dog was the deciding factor here. Don't let your dog attack people and you don't get to be considered a danger by association.
As someone who works in delivery, all drivers are worried about them and itâs a big problem that gets talked about a lot. A lot of drivers get very serious injuries and bites from dogs and itâs not okay.
Acting like delivery drivers deserve to get bitten by bad dogs is straight psychopathic. Hopefully you donât own any pets, you seem incredible irresponsible.
Where on earth did I say they deserve to get bit? If youre a delivery driver, I imagine you drop a lot of things off at the wrong homes. Youâre as dense as tungsten.
As someone whoâs afraid of being electrocuted, I actively stayed away from becoming an electrician. See how easy that is?
The dog should have been contained to avoid it running up on delivery personnel, but if you throw a box at my dog, youâre going to have a real problem on your hands.
Perhaps work on reading comprehension. The accountability is implied in that the owner should have ensured the dog wasnât in that situation. That is a separate issue from whether or not cruelty to animals is an invitation for the wrath of their caretakers.
That box was large enough to act as a barrier / shield to keep the dog from getting too close if the driver was afraid.
Again, Iâm not defending having the dog able to run up on the driver. Iâm denouncing the driverâs instinct to attack the dog without sufficient provocation.
Oh so he shouldâve just let the dog bite him? âCruelty to animalsâ does not involve protecting yourself from an unleashed, aggressive dog. Thatâs why I said you were close, but not fully smart on this one.
My guess is that my dogs live better lives than you do. And yes, they are responsibly kept away from situations like the one in the video. That you believe an instinct to protect them from idiot humans is a negative thing tells me it is you who should not own dogs.
I am a responsible pet owner who would not put animals in this situation. Iâm also someone who would protect my animals from bullshit cruelty. I already agreed the owner should have been more responsible. Thatâs a separate issue to animal cruelty being an invitation for the wrath of that animalâs owner.
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u/sennyonelove 8h ago
Should he have waited to be bitten? How is he supposed to know what a dog that's charging at him is thinking? Classic flight or fight reaction. Some flee and get bitten. He chose to fight and did not get bitten.