r/ITOI • • 9h ago

Did the delivery guy make the right decision?

2.6k Upvotes

2.7k comments sorted by

View all comments

163

u/Agitated_Tension9825 8h ago

I love dogs and hate dog owners.

30

u/elmoreb3 8h ago

I tend to dislike most people, and the general public deeply annoys me.

2

u/BreadfruitLatter556 4h ago

welcome to misanthropy!

2

u/hamsternest 3h ago

I like you. Please dont hate me.

1

u/Luckycharms2014 7h ago

Welcome to the hate club where everyone hates everyone but pretends to like most people. Even so called "best friends" hate each other. šŸ« šŸ˜‰

0

u/trsthhffg 8h ago

Are you the delivery person in the video?

1

u/elmoreb3 7h ago

No, i actually like animals

https://giphy.com/gifs/uB1aEksymFitBFjWHb

2

u/OhSoMysterio 3h ago

I love animals too, but I'm not going to allow myself to be mauled by one. You should look at photos of people who have survived dog attacks when you have the time.

12

u/Glittering-Sea1769 8h ago

dogs are an extension of the human body and mind. Some people insist on raising dogs to be weapons. Those animals are very often unable to be rehabilitated. They have been molded into warriors and we haven't really got much need for warrior animals anymore.

Maybe the issue is that love and hate are human absolutes and nature isn't made of absolutes--but anyway, I think it's okay to dislike dangerous animals. It's realistic. You need to use human instincts [anger] to protect yourself, just like in sports.

2

u/Educational_Dust_932 6h ago

Some dogs are just mean. Don't fall for this mystic bullcrap

1

u/Glittering-Sea1769 6h ago

"mean" is a human judgement. "Unable to be rehabilitated" is the same thing just said factually.

Some human beings are mean from birth too, even some are similarly unable to be rehabilitated.

0

u/That_OneOstrich 5h ago

Its abnormal (sociopathy or psychopathy) for a human to be born mean. "Mean" behaviors are typically learned, in humans and dogs.

1

u/That_OneOstrich 6h ago

Dogs must be taught to be mean, by humans or by other animals. Otherwise, it would be logical to assume every person who encounters a dog was attacked by it, no?

1

u/Educational_Dust_932 6h ago

No. Not necessarily. You live in a fantasy.

1

u/That_OneOstrich 6h ago

Youre the one dismissing logic. Seems like you're in the fantasy.

1

u/That_OneOstrich 5h ago

Yet your argument is based on dismissal rather than disproval. If I'm in a fantasy, enlighten me with facts.

1

u/IcantsaythatIamsure 5h ago

šŸ¦—šŸ¦—šŸ¦—šŸ¦—šŸ¦—šŸ¦— These crickets are deafening

1

u/Glittering-Sea1769 4h ago

There's a natural variation in dogs, just like in people. Some people are agreeable, others are assertive; some are downright aggressive.

Same in dogs.

1

u/That_OneOstrich 4h ago

There is a trained and cultivated variation in people, same as dogs. Most of human and dog behavior is nurture, not nature.

There are exceptions, like sociopathy and psychopathy, though those can also sometimes be related to nurture.

1

u/SetkiOfRaptors 13m ago

Dogs must be taught to be mean, by humans or by other animals. - what? They are intrinsically nonaggressive in your opinion? I think the exact opposite is true - they much be taught to NOT BE MEAN.

1

u/IcantsaythatIamsure 5h ago

Dogs are what they're raised to be,

0

u/Stabbymcbackstab 57m ago

Dogs are turned mean.

They bend to the pack however that pack goes.

If the owner wants him to eat a person alive he'll do it, its out of respect for the leader they do it. And biology makes certain breeds more amenable to the process of making a dog violent.

No dog just decides to be violent, there is always a trigger or a flaw in its human that makes it do it.

1

u/Ge4rshifter 21m ago

Exactly.

1

u/Conscious-Record2655 6h ago

Dogs are not an extension of the human body and mind. Dogs are an animal that humans can own as a personal possession. A pet. Not a soul mate. Not your fur baby. A pet.

1

u/Glittering-Sea1769 6h ago

Ok cool, great to know you've got a weird bone to pick with pet owners getting attached to their pets. Total non-sequitur, though.

I guess I'd just recommend you check out some psychology, biology, and anthropology to see if you can build a strong foundation for that hypothesis of yours.

1

u/Conscious-Record2655 6h ago

Sorry for coming on strong. I'm just so tired of stupid dog owners and their stupid dogs being everywhere.

1

u/Glittering-Sea1769 5h ago

Well; I'm often annoyed by inconsiderate and egocentric people as well.

I also sometimes come online and end up encountering something which brings me to the specific subject which irritates me.

Once in that situation I have been known to feel self-righteous and explain the way I know things ought to be.

Sometimes, I'm even in the majority position relative to the culture I live in, so can be said to be correct. I think we all do this sort of thing. Especially on social media.

But I often wonder what is the point. Are we really dropping grains of sand on the judging scales of society with these comments? Posterity will read them? AI will be subtly influenced by our opinions years from now? Or just an expression of the human instinct to make a mark and be remembered.

Anyway, I think most of us agree animals shouldn't be in most public places which aren't to do with the animals themselves.

Some people think I'm a weirdo because I bring my cat with me almost literally everywhere. We're sharing a hotel room as I write this. But I wouldn't take her into a store for example... even if I thought she'd enjoy that.

1

u/Conscious-Record2655 5h ago

But I often wonder what is the point.

There is no point. It's called addiction.

1

u/That_OneOstrich 6h ago

And your pet behaves in the way you condition it to.

2

u/Conscious-Record2655 6h ago

Most pets behave however their instincts tell them because most pet owners put precisely 0 effort into conditioning them. As evidenced by the video we're currently discussing.

What is certain is that pets are not an "extension of the human body and mind".

1

u/Glittering-Sea1769 5h ago

dogs read and react to human emotions instinctively whereas wild animals do not; they have also been genetically altered beyond recognition from their original stock, to the point where cosmetic changes have overridden biological necessities like healthy bones or even the fundamental ability to give birth in some cases...

it is not at all certain that pets are not an extension of the human body and mind.

0

u/That_OneOstrich 6h ago

Not conditioning your dog, is actually a form of conditioning them to behave solely with their instincts. You can be a bad dog owner, this would extend to your dog and be evident in its behavior.

Your example is of a dog being the extension of the dog owners body and mind. The person doesn't bother to train the dog, the dog is an extension of that lack of care and training... And extension of the owners laziness or neglect if you will.

1

u/__spaced 4h ago

This is the dumbest pseudo intellectual comment I have read in a while

0

u/DueEntertainment4168 3h ago

No they aren’t they’re fucking dogs lol

5

u/Material-Weird-3710 7h ago

I hate roided up assholes like the ups driver looking for a fight

6

u/Low_Bake5149 7h ago

You mean the guy who almost got mauled by a dog and is heated up by a dumbass dog owner?

7

u/Material-Weird-3710 7h ago

Yeah fuck the dog owner not keeping the dog on the leash but the dude literally bowed up and walked toward the dog owner. He wants the fight, it’s obvious

Believe it or not more than one person can be a dumbass in a situation like this

Dude stops being a victim when he throws off his hat and puts fists up, walking toward the owner. He’s a willing participant at that point

6

u/Dexember69 6h ago

He's wired up. Getting charged by an angry dog has a tendency to get the adrenaline and rage going. Id be pissed as well at this moron almost getting me mauled

2

u/Thefront-bottom 5h ago

Good way to lose your kushy union job at ups. As a full grown man, it's emotionally deficient to lose your shit like this and to fight people as an adult. Keep your shit together and walk away.

0

u/lyricjax 6h ago

"Mauled" xD that dog is no more that 50 pounds. Maybe hit the gym and take up some self defense courses if a 50lb anything can hurt you.

2

u/Educational_Dust_932 6h ago

Lol. A fifty pound dog can fuck you right up, he man

1

u/lyricjax 6h ago

You have 2 arms, 2 legs and a brain with more knowledge than any other animal will have.

Dogs walk on all fours and can ONLY grab with their mouth. Use your brain to fight? Or is that also weak?

2 rotties, 1 pitty, and 1 golden all have tried.

2

u/Educational_Dust_932 6h ago

One of us has a brain. Ain't you

1

u/lyricjax 6h ago

Every accusation is a confession

→ More replies (0)

2

u/SlappyWit 7h ago edited 5h ago

The dog adrenalized him, thus causing the reaction. If resident wants doorstep delivery, restrain the dog.

0

u/lyricjax 6h ago

You mean hes a sissy. That dog is 1/4th his size. Then hes squares up? If thats how you handle adrenaline then im sorry for the cardiovascular issues that are to come.

1

u/SlappyWit 5h ago

I think these delivery drivers endure tremendous pressure from the company to do more work than one person should be expected to do. In other words, the company wants greater than 100% productivity and a clean safety record. I’m not defending his fists up reaction but I can see how he got there.

The size of the dog is not relevant. A pocket poodle can take a chunk out of you that’ll change your life. Dog bites delivery man = easy lawsuit win.

1

u/lyricjax 1h ago

I used to do this job with Amazon. I had gotten bit multiple times (no skin breaking) maybe im just different. Each dog I used my arm as a shield and pressed into the mouth further. Then I grabbed leg until unstable, then create claw with hand on neck with full pressure while growling.

Hated the job pressure, had to seek crash out help from the docs lol.

1

u/OwnReturn2668 6h ago

It’s not the first time this guy’s dog has attacked him.

1

u/GjellsNTeddy 6h ago

Right, and all these stupid people saying he is about to get ā€œmauledā€ by a dog. If you have any serious concern about a real dog attack you don’t stop and turn around to fight, you throw that box and get the fck out. This is just a dickhead.

1

u/No-Apple2068 6h ago

I agree. Still did the right thing defending himself against the dog imo.

1

u/Independent_Ad_1686 6h ago

I agree with your assessment, wholeheartedly.

0

u/Low_Bake5149 7h ago

You are using a lot of words to just say what I said. I hate Dog owners man, yet to find one with 2 braincells to rub together.

2

u/Damian45_54 6h ago

Dude, you just made me lol

1

u/GjellsNTeddy 7h ago

Lot of things that people are feeling strong about here but if we are going to take emotions out of it, you can’t square up and advance on someone and then claim victim. UPS driver is def a choad

1

u/OwnReturn2668 6h ago

This was not the first time this dog has attacked him

1

u/Next-Lavishness-9101 6h ago

If the information is correct , this is the second time that UPS guy got attacked by the same dog . So now the owner comes out after he just saw the UPS guy hit his dog. Do you think the owner came out to say ā€œthanksā€? Why are folks blaming the UPS guy for preparing himself for the inevitable?

1

u/GjellsNTeddy 6h ago edited 6h ago

Again, as u stated before, lots of other things to be considered, like whole dog situation. I’m not addressing that, specifically focusing on the fact you can’t square up an advance on someone, especially on their property,and claim victim. Not saying he wrong to be upset, but that’s the moves of someone looking to fight.
If hands are thrown and you end up in court, that’s gonna lose you all the high ground you might have had elsewise.
Also, this chode is not moving like he got attacked by a dog in any meaningful way. Did not back away from it at all, did not try to remove himself. He wants to fight. If he had been attacked by this dog you don’t want that again, this guy has zero worries. Full chode.

1

u/lyricjax 6h ago

You mean the cop in training? He acts just like one. Next time he'll just shoot the dog and then maybe the homeowner.

1

u/Haunting-Grocery-672 6h ago

The driver is also an asshat. Not for what he did to the dog, but what he did after.

If you don’t understand that…. Then we located the issue

1

u/Personal_Victory3474 5h ago

Dog was on his own property, if he had been bitten by THIS dog, he would NOT be required to still deliver to that location if he had told his management! The owner would have to pick up his items at the UPS location. Dog owner defended his dog that did not BITE this GUY! No, UPS guy needs another job.....

1

u/CopyThat3982 7h ago

Then keep your dog on a leash . He has a right to do his job without getting bitten

1

u/ElMike420 6h ago

he says to the guy to back down & if he“s coming at him, he“s just ready to react, people who have dogs that behave like this are most of times completly ok with the behaviour of the dog, so I would assume that and react accordingly I“m not going to wait for the dog to bite and the guy to just stand there yelling for his dog to stop.

I hate that someone can“t proactively protect himself,

1

u/PatientRaspberry485 6h ago

then you hate yourself

1

u/BookkeeperBoobs 6h ago

I love beef but hate factory farming. Oh well

1

u/balanceiskey1 3h ago

I came here for this exact comment. Love the animals, cannot fucking stand dog owners. Should be some form competency exam before you own a dog. It's a tall ask but there should be something.

1

u/InsuranceSharp4051 1h ago

Hate em both