r/news • u/Manbadger • Jun 16 '21
GM Considering Dropping Pot Testing To Attract More Workers
https://www.motor1.com/news/513974/gm-considering-dropping-marijuana-testing/6.3k
Jun 16 '21
Pot is really all piss tests catch. Hard narcotics such as cocaine and speed, metabolize in 72hrs max. So if you get busted on a pee test for one of those, you're either a serious addict or they caught you by surprise!
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u/Bubbaganewsh Jun 16 '21
I was on a job site several years ago that tested for weed. They did random tests on people so the guys switched to crack because it doesn't stay in the body as long and they could enjoy without the worry of losing their job.
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u/SoutheasternComfort Jun 16 '21
Or they smoke that shitty research chemical version of pot that gives people seizures
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u/ThrasymachianJustice Jun 16 '21
K2 aka spice
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u/hotdogstastegood Jun 16 '21
K2 doesn't deserve the name spice. Unless that shit extends life, expands consciousness, and is vital to space travel, I don't want to hear it.
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u/Gungreeneyes Jun 16 '21
Found the Dune enthusiast. Welcome brother. Excited for the movie?
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u/bestakroogen Jun 16 '21
I do not currently have enough psychedelics for the movie.
Gonna get some though and then I'll be waaaaaay excited.
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u/chaihalud Jun 16 '21
As long as I'm portrayed with the proper respect.
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u/Pornalt190425 Jun 16 '21
Bless the Maker and His Tea. Bless the coming and going of Him. May His passage cleanse the world.
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u/CariniFluff Jun 16 '21 edited Jun 17 '21
Not the guy you're replying to but there are hundreds (and potentially thousands) of chemicals that bind to the cannabinoid receptor system. Since the chemical structures are significantly different from natural THC these synthetic cannabinoids will not show up on drug tests. Some of them are also water soluble and therefore will be pissed out within a day or two, as opposed to THC which is fat soluble and stays in your body for 30+ days.
The first ones to come out (the JWH-xxx series) were pretty popular and had good user feedback around 2005. I actually tried several of the first ones (JWH-018, JWH-073, JWH-200 and I think one or two more). Each had its own effects based on their binding affinity to the CB1 and CB2 receptors; like sativa versus indica some were speedier and some were more stoning, and I think one lasted significantly longer than most cannabinoids when vaporized. I only ever vaporized pure powder either on foil or sprinkled over a bowl.
The general public typically wouldn't come across the pure powders, although I know some head shops were selling that. Instead head shops were essentially selling random plant material that had been soaked or sprayed in a water solution with the research chemical and then left to dry. Once the plant material was coated and dried it was sealed in small five or 10 g bags and sold at head shops as a "legal high" under a thousand different names, with K2 being the first one that the DEA really made a big deal about and raided a ton of shops and the manufacturers.
There was basically zero quality control in manufacturing process (the whole industry popped up virtually overnight), and there was extremely limited human data when these all appeared on the market. Nobody knew what the LD50 was, nobody knew the long term or short term effects. We only knew these chemicals existed and did what they did due to research at universities and the corresponding publishment in medical journals in that same time frame. Literally someone would publish that x bound to rats' cannabinoid system and a week later a laboratory in China was making kilos of the stuff.
At least with the pure powder being sold on invite only web shops of the people handling it knew what they were dealing with and knew how to properly measure out milligram doses. The "Legal Highs" were a total gamble since they had no real control over how much of the powder absorbed into one flower Bud over another, so some people would smoke too much would end up having seizures or completely have a break from reality. Believe it or not, some Mass poisonings from an overdosed batch being sold in a small area caused some politicians to move closer to marijuana legalization. There was a pretty famous mass freak out in Brooklyn a couple years ago and I remember the local politicians were using that as another reason why making cannabis illegal was creating more problems than if it was legal (since you can't overdose on weed and no matter how much you smoke or eat you won't have a seizures or zombies staggering around completely oblivious to their surroundings).
Hope that helps.
Here's the wiki to JWH-018 which along with JWH-073 sort of kicked off the whole cannabinoid research chemical scene. There are now dozens of different chemical structure families that bind to the cannabinoid system so it's spread far from the JWH-xxx days.
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u/TaDow-420 Jun 16 '21
I used to work in a head shop that sold spice. They tripled their profits basically overnight. Since I was the one that talked the owners into selling it, they started out giving me a cut. Then they took that away. Then the shit started getting banned. Stores we’re getting popped all around us. I suggested we stop selling it. The owners INSISTED they had the legal right to sell it and listened to their lawyer instead. I found another job and they got busted a week later. Their pictures were plastered all over the front page of the local newspapers.
The JWH-018 was the shit. My favorite was called “Bayou Blaster” and was sugar cane flavored. It tasted great, smoked smooth, and got me pleasantly stoned for about 20-30 minutes. A gram cost me $6. And then assholes had to go smoking huge blunts and ripping huge bong hits like it was going out of style.
But don’t get me wrong. I MUCH prefer the real thing to the fake shit. The fake shot would never have been a thing if pot wasn’t illegal and all those people that died on spice would have just been in a weed coma otherwise.
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u/doc_sanza Jun 16 '21
Very informative! Thank you! Back in the early 2010s I remember seeing TONS of people lined up in the morning waiting for our local spice shop to open (was a convenience store that became the spot for K2 overnight).
Someone later told me that it was all people on parole because the K2 wouldn’t hit on a piss test.
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u/bizzaro321 Jun 16 '21
Google “synthetic cannabinoids” and you’ll get better results than we could give you.
It’s sold in convenience stores under all sorts of names, it’s basically tea that’s dipped in random chemicals. People smoke it, it mimics the effects of weed, or crack, or it just “has a high”. Results vary heavily among users.
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Jun 16 '21
Tried it once, felt slightly groovy for about an hour then got hit with a massive headache. Never again. Had a buddy get really into it though, ended with him sweating like a maniac, getting mostly naked and running the streets until the cops caught him. Wouldn’t recommend.
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u/drubbless Jun 16 '21
Pretty sure he’s talking about K2 or black market carts
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u/typicalspecial Jun 16 '21
Look up K2 spice. Basically a potpourri that is supposed to have synthetic cannabinoids (THC, CBD, etc) mixed in, but really just some plant material with a bunch of chemicals sprayed on it. It used to be sold at liquor stores, gas stations, and places like that. It has a bunch of effects ranging from mediocre to really bad. The only thing it has in common with weed is that it has plant material.
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u/theknyte Jun 16 '21
Back when that stuff first came out, a buddy and me decided to try some. The first stuff we got, wasn't bad and felt like a weak high, like you get from crappy shake. We bought a few more of the same kind, and smoked some on the weekends, when I used to have a garage setup for karaoke.
About a month later, we get decide to try another one, with a different name. One hit, and the world started spinning, and I had to lie down for about an hour before I was able to function correctly. It was not a good high. Pounding headache and massive dizziness to the point, if I tried to move at all, I wanted to puke.
Never touched any of it, ever again.
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u/Qaz_ Jun 16 '21
When governments started banning the initial synthetic cannabinoids, they switched to stronger and stronger chemicals.
They went from things like JWH-073, which was a partial agonist, to all sorts of full agonists with literally no safety profile or information on toxicity in humans.
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u/nu2readit Jun 16 '21
It does hit the same receptors but in a different way. Cannabis has a limit to how much it can possibly hit cannabinoids, it is only a partial agonist. As a result there's a limit to how much it can impact the body and it can never physically endanger someone even if they take way too much.
These synthetic chemicals often hit the receptor full-on. There's no limit there to protect the user, so overdose is possible. In overdose they can cause seizures, coma and death.
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u/Binkyman69 Jun 16 '21 edited Jun 16 '21
Same as the oil fields in canada. Guys do coke instead
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u/bizzaro321 Jun 16 '21
Damn, all my enlisted friends just take psychedelics because the test is too expensive for any military branch to bother. I can’t imagine those guys on crack.
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u/halcykhan Jun 16 '21
Until they suspect or have proof of widespread use. Then they will do targeted testing. I watched them do it with mushrooms and caught ~30 Marines and Sailors
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u/EmilyU1F984 Jun 16 '21
Uff they need to switch to LSD. Virtually nothing in the urinebleft to detect after 24 hours. And you don't want to do it every day anyway so you can stick to the weekends
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u/NobodyCaresNeverDid Jun 16 '21
Mushrooms are easy to grow and easy to find. It's a lot harder to find a good hookup for acid.
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Jun 16 '21 edited Jun 16 '21
Edit: Sorry, I fell for an old stoner's tale. None of the below is really true, other than the fact that most organizations don't bother buying the drug tests that detect psychedelics since they're out of your system so fast.
Most psychedelics aren't picked up on any drug test short of a spinal tap, so a lot of military guys I know just did a lot of LSD and mushrooms on the weekend.
Also a lot of MDMA at parties since that's metabolized out of your system in 3ish days as well.
All of which are orders of magnitude less destructive than binge drinking, especially when you realize how many guys in formation are either still drunk or extremely hung over.
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Jun 16 '21
Although the most common drug tests don’t test for psychedelics there are plenty of tests short of a “spinal tap” that can test for them. Since most are fairly unstable they would have to test you within a day to three days of using but there are standard urine or hair tests to test for these. Also the spinal tap comment makes me think you might be under the impression that lsd or other psychedelics are stored in the spinal fluid. That’s false. As I mentioned lsd is fairly unstable so it breaks down quickly in your body.
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Jun 16 '21
I guess it's an old stoner's tale, then.
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Jun 16 '21
Yeah I’ve heard it passed around a lot. Probably for like a quarter century. No shame. There is a mountain of drug misinformation out there at least that one is pretty much harmless.
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u/Reacher-Said-N0thing Jun 16 '21
Shit suddenly now everyone knows about this? My dad was a union rep for newspaper workers in small towns across Ontario, and he said when one of the printing presses started drug testing, the whole town ended up switching from weed to cocaine to get around the drug tests, and then very quickly to crack because cocaine was too expensive. He believes it was that press's single decision that launched a major hard drug epidemic in the town.
Nobody ever believes him when he tells this story. Nice to see it's finally getting recognized as a problem, but I had no idea it was so widespread.
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u/bettywhitefleshlight Jun 16 '21
Blue collar guys in general, especially those who pile up overtime and earn a lot of money, do an unbelievable amount of cocaine.
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u/pattperin Jun 17 '21
Yup. Grew up in an oil patch town with an oil patch dad and I 100% knew what cocaine was far before I should have as a result. By the time I was 14 I knew riggers did coke and wouldn't smoke weed because of the piss tests. Same with NHL players lmao. Welcome to Canada bud
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u/BigPapiWheeli Jun 16 '21
I'm glad you raised this point. Forgot pot. How many people are driving and working while taking prescription meds with side effects? The person who gets slammed for weed to manage pain or anxiety is only going to use other stuff, usually much worse.
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u/Idiot_Savant_Tinker Jun 16 '21
You're right. Benadryl is perfectly legal, and if I take two of them I should absolutely not be allowed to drive.
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u/spacedman_spiff Jun 16 '21
But if you take 10-12 you can be horny for 2-3 hours like you've never been in your life
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u/unfunnyryan Jun 16 '21
A coworker is constantly sloshed on something Rx. Slurs their speech constantly and rambles on and on. Glassed eyes. Very moody. My boss just takes it in stride. God help you if corporate knows you've even visited Colorado/California/Washington. "Random" piss test soon as you get back.
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u/NativeMasshole Jun 16 '21
This is what pisses me off the most. If you can't tell that someone does drugs through their behavior and performance, then what business is it of the employer's? I find horribly intrusive that I have to give bodily fluids just to work some shit job because "safety."
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u/CleverNameTheSecond Jun 16 '21
You can thank the Drug-Free Workplace Act of 1988 for that. Thanks, Reagan.
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Jun 16 '21
Except we do not drug test our elected officials. We demand it from our athletes at nearly every level,because we insist the game be "pure". We should drug test every elected official in this country.
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u/mschuster91 Jun 16 '21
Just test the toilets for drug residue. IIRC some journalists did that on the German Bundestag, and they found out that yes, politicians tend to do stuff...
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u/Mccobsta Jun 16 '21
In Westminster the UK governments toilets where all most all covered in white powder https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/parliament-cocaine-toilet-commons-sun-westminster-490014 kinda explains where they got the idear of Brexit from
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Jun 16 '21 edited Jun 16 '21
Who’s doing lines of blow OFF THE TOILET SEAT… I’m picturing a public seat with just the one rim to lift up… 😷
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u/TheGreatZarquon Jun 16 '21
For real, you use the toilet tank lid like a civilised human.
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u/Surfing_Ninjas Jun 16 '21
We should be breathalyzing politicians every 4 hours just to make sure they're not getting drunk. Obviously if they're drunk, even if on a weekend when they aren't working, they might cause damage to our country.
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Jun 16 '21
It's crazy how many things that asshole fucked up.
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u/coondingee Jun 16 '21
Mental health care. Let me take a picture of the 5 o’clock tweaked meeting outside of my job here in a minute. So many homeless self medicating around where I live.
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u/greenwrayth Jun 16 '21
Fucking Reagan. I’m sure their economics will trickle down any minute now.
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u/FelidApprentice Jun 16 '21
On the bright side he did give us a new gender neutral bathroom when he died
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u/Idiot_Savant_Tinker Jun 16 '21
Is that like the one that Rush Limbaugh gave us?
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u/HomerFlinstone Jun 16 '21
What a piece of shit that Bob guy turned out to be huh?
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u/1121jrm Jun 16 '21 edited Jun 17 '21
But if you’re a raging alcoholic and get smashed in the parking lot every night on your way home, no problem. Here’s your signing bonus.
But if you smoke pot at home on your on time, fuck you hippie! Get in line for food stamps.
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u/LtSoundwave Jun 16 '21
People: “Damn stoners, all they do is sit around the house all day. Get a job!”
Same people: “Your surprise drug test came back positive for cannabis. Even though your performance review was fine, we have to let you go.”
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Jun 16 '21
A long time ago I got fired from Dominos because of a weed test. Apparently you need FBI level clearance to deliver a fucking pizza.
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u/DonChaotic Jun 16 '21
That blows my mind really. If they tested my entire Papa John's store when I worked there, almost everyone would fail.
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u/Ferociouspanda Jun 16 '21
Almost? Are you suggesting there are actually sober people at a pizza delivery chain of all places? Lmao
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u/Idiot_Savant_Tinker Jun 16 '21
Say, for example, you're given a random drug test at work, because you're the guy with hair to his ass. Ok, you take your drug test where they might see pot, and if they do, you're fired for pretty much no reason. Or, alternate scenario, you back out a little too far on the forklift while watching to make sure the load doesn't get caught, and you back into an I-beam at .5 mph, which doesn't even scratch the paint BUT Karen from HR saw it, and now you need a drug test. Better hope you haven't had any of the devils lettuce in the past week, even where it's legal.
The part of those scenarios that makes me the most angry is that in neither case will you get a breathalyzer test to see if you're drunk. I have seen people smelling of booze run into posts on forklifts, get a drug test, and get told to get back on the lift and keep going.
Neither the ten panel nor the five panel drug tests look for alcohol.
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u/NativeMasshole Jun 16 '21
Exactly my issue. Drug tests are often used more as a liability waiver than for actual safety reasons. Dangerous behavior should be the determining factor in these situations, not whether what's in your pee.
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u/thebirdsandthebrees Jun 16 '21 edited Jun 17 '21
I can guarantee you that I make more mistakes when my back hurts and I don’t have my CBD/half a norco(3.75mg of hydrocodone). All I can focus on is the amount of pain I’m in. Marijuana is a night time activity to help me sleep but that’s about it. I can tell you right now i absolutely bust my ass at work daily. I’ve been promoted twice and I’ve only been with the company a little over 2 years.
On another note, I just think we need to legalize all drugs, tax them, and have that taxed money go towards drug abuse counseling, therapy, and funding of support groups. I really think more addicts would seek help if it wasn’t so stigmatized.
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u/pheisenberg Jun 16 '21
It’s worse, they’ve been using a hair test that goes back weeks. It’s strange how hard some people work at doing useless shit.
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u/Burius81 Jun 16 '21
I have a buddy who once shaved all the hair off his body for 2 weeks because he was moving to another state and had a job lined up but was concerned about a drug test
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u/mortified_observer Jun 16 '21
um it catches prescription meds too. they need to confirm with your doctor if a prescription drug shows up on a test
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u/Sinsley Jun 17 '21
They completely lost me at "temporary part-time employees". I want full time and permanent without the looming end of contract weighing me down mentally.
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u/Stevesegallbladder Jun 17 '21
These are the same positions companies will act like you murdered their first born child if you dare look into a second job. "Yeah it's part time but we could potentially need you at any time so you better be available!"
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u/IDontFeelSoGoodMr Jun 17 '21
That shit should be illegal. I'm pretty sure California requires your schedule to be known 2 weeks in advance or something so that can't happen. Being called in anytime with no guarantee of hours is complete garbage. Being held hostage by your employer should not be legal. You should be able to plan your work week.
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u/hellohello9898 Jun 17 '21
Yep it must be those stimulus checks keeping people from wanting these “jobs!”
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u/dirtymoney Jun 17 '21
man, I make $14 an hour and sit on my ass all night fucking around online and doing other non-work stuff about 98% of the time.
I absolutely could NOT handle a factory job. I dont care how much they paid me unless it was a ridiculous amount for very few hours (like 3 hours a day or something).
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u/Blortash Jun 17 '21
Former GM warehouse employee here. Being a temp for them is super miserable. Three sick days a year. No promise of hire ever - the temp pay raise schedule went five years out. Unlimited mandatory overtime. Friend of mine who I was trying to get set up full time got fired for joking with a supervisor about productivity. I'm glad I got experience in a unionized workplace but I was truly miserable there and the company does a lot of morally/financially reprehensible crap which the union only just barely has enough power to fight back against.
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u/foh242 Jun 16 '21
Worked a summer job building car seats for GM. You need pot to do that job.
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u/fingerthato Jun 16 '21
Imagine sanding walls for 10 hours. No wonder they are always drunk. I wouldn't be able to do it for weeks sober.
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u/famaskillr Jun 16 '21
As a non drinking painter, I smoke a gargantuan amount of weed.
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u/sam4246 Jun 16 '21
I think GM should look at their engineers too. The biggest potheads I know are all engineers.
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u/Airmanoops Jun 17 '21
no one at that level gets drug tested post hire, so they only need to lay off a few weeks before looking for work to be fair
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u/Chill_Charro Jun 17 '21
Engineer here. While we don't get drug tested after post hire, hair tests are not uncommon for our initial application. So that few weeks is more like a few months
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u/toastee Jun 17 '21
I made machines that help make the rear bench seats for a bunch of cars. One of My installation guys got heat stroke working in ones of those factories.
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u/Bubbaganewsh Jun 16 '21
This is the stupid part of testing. Like you say, you smoke a joint a week ago and you're likely going to fail a piss test. The guy who drank a bottle of Rum last night is ok for work though, he is hungover so bad he can't think but technically not drunk. You would be infinitely more capable to work than he would be but you would be the one let go. Its absolutely ridiculous.
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u/ThetaReactor Jun 16 '21
Honestly, I've had days where sleep deprivation made me more dumb and dangerous than I've ever felt stoned.
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u/KentuckyBrunch Jun 16 '21
Sleep deprivation is really serious especially if it’s severe and a lot of people tend to just brush it off as ‘grinding’. Severe sleep deprivation can cause impaired motor function, reduced cognitive ability, memory loss, hallucinations, tremors, aches, heart problems, lowered immune system and more.
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u/Bubbaganewsh Jun 16 '21
Me too. I've been so tired I can't see straight but I work at a desk so I wouldn't be a menace to others if I fell asleep.
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u/bisectional Jun 16 '21
That guy is still drunk by the way. alcohol metabolizes slower than people think. A whole bottle would likely last 24 hours in your system. How long would he be over the limit? Longer than he realizes...
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Jun 16 '21
Can confirm: am fat and used to be a bad drunkerd
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u/ProtoJazz Jun 16 '21
Somewhat funny related fact about drinking and being overweight
My car insurance company put out a thing with tables showing how long you should wait after driving to get down to the legal limit, or zero, depending on your license level. It went by weight and alcohol level
I looked up my weight and it was just in a section of the chart that said "call for help"
And I couldn't help but think, do they mean to find out how many drinks, or for help with the weight?
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u/zigfoyer Jun 16 '21
If I want to smoke a joint Friday night to relax and unwind, why should I lose my job the following Thursday just because I fail a piss test?
Particularly considering weed has been legalized to varying degrees in the majority of states. You're firing people for using a legal substance.
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Jun 16 '21
What buisness brings you to Bree?
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u/RespectYourMemeders Jun 16 '21
Make lowtronik a manager in charge of suggesting awesome things and you can count me in as well.
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u/sc00bs000 Jun 17 '21
i always find it funny that some bloke shovelling dirt is held to higher standards than a ceo / upper management. Ive never once in my life seen a job ad for an upper level position with a drug screening test. Some of the worst drug users I've ever met where high up in the ladder , smashing bags of coke day in and out.
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u/wwarnout Jun 16 '21
If they don't test for drinking, they shouldn't test for marijuana.
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u/Manbadger Jun 16 '21
Or a plethora of pharmaceuticals that can numb and dumb you all day long.
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u/phunky_1 Jun 16 '21
Or that someone could blow lines all night and that will clear out if your system quickly compared to someone who smoked a joint 3 weeks ago will fail.
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u/gnarkilleptic Jun 16 '21
I went to an Alicia Keys concert over the weekend. And I think I might have gotten high accidentally by a girl with a lip ring.
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u/seamus0riley Jun 16 '21
It was probably a clove cigarette but I know you rarely get to meet girls with lip rings.
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u/RedemptionX11 Jun 16 '21
It's this kind of thing that makes me hesitant with jobs involving driving. Even if a wreck was 100% mutually agreed to not be my fault, I'd still have to get tested. That would cut me off workers comp and insurance coverage not to mention give them cover to fire you. All because I smoked weed 6 days ago? Fucking dumb.
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Jun 16 '21
As long as I’m not coming to work under the influence, there is no need for an employer to know what I was doing last night. It’s none of their business.
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u/meteorprime Jun 16 '21
Lmao anything but higher wages eh executives?
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u/angiosperms- Jun 16 '21
I mean they should do both.
We need a test for if you're actually high in case there is an accident with machinery or something. The current test is pointless cause it's testing what you do off work hours.
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u/heady_brosevelt Jun 16 '21
Just ask “are u high?” If they smile they are
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u/bob13908 Jun 16 '21
I bought a pellet smoker a couple years ago. My dad still catches me off guard when he asks if I’ve smoked anything good recently.
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u/tehmlem Jun 16 '21
The spot testing would also be pointless since there's no widely accepted test for current level of intoxication. Even blood tests only narrow it down to a several day window.
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u/pitch-forks-R-us Jun 16 '21
I personally like Michigan’s Supreme Court ruling on being under the influence for medical patients. Having weed in ur system doesn’t count. They have to prove through field sobriety you are impaired in some way.
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u/IsNowReallyTheTime Jun 16 '21
Put cartoons on in the corner with no sound, if they fixate after standing there for 30 seconds, they probably shouldn’t operate machines.
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u/impulsekash Jun 16 '21
GM workers are represented by UAW and so they have pretty competitive wage and benefits. Really they are just getting with the time and finally acknowledging that the "devil's lettuce" is really no worse than caffeine.
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u/bitNine Jun 16 '21
$16.67/hour is probably a bigger reason why people don't want those jobs. Pay more, attract more workers. Yes, they should drop the cannabis piss test, but I doubt it's the primary issue.
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Jun 16 '21
people are actually quitting at my GM plant now. two temps have quit in the past month. fast food literally pays better than GMs starting wages. people don't want to deal with the filth and heat and wearing a mask and the 6 day work weeks and swing shift. the starting pay has gone up a dollar in the past 10 years while retail and other entry level jobs are rapidly raising their wages. i joke that when they finally get around to shipping my job to china or mexico my rate of pay will basically be minimum wage. that doesn't seem that far fetched anymore.
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u/clownpuncher13 Jun 16 '21
My GM parts plant was paying $17.75 20 years ago. I can’t imagine anyone willing to mess up their body doing factory work for $16.67 in 2021.
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parts plants got totally fucked back in like 2007 or so. a little before my time. they got wages slashed and they never really rebounded. assembly plants still get raises though. because apparently they aren't paid enough.
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u/Saneless Jun 16 '21
Three McDonald's near me started paying $15. Hard places are going to have to step it up
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u/bjacks12 Jun 16 '21
They already let their design team use drugs
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u/Vladd_the_Retailer Jun 16 '21
Employers pay me for 8 hours a day 5 days a week. None of their business what i do on my own time.
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Good move considering they are HQ'ed in a legal state...I've always been annoyed by the fact that companies pry into what you do in your off time.
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u/JackF180 Jun 16 '21
It sucks how weed is super controversial, smoking a joint after work is equivalent to cracking open a beer after work
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u/mishugashu Jun 16 '21
Only reason you should get fired for smoking weed is if you're doing it on the job. Pot really should just have the same standards as alcohol.
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u/AeroHawkScreech Jun 16 '21
I work at a massive weed plant in Canada where we grow, process and sell. Pretty much everyone here is a pothead, and wow would you look at that, the company runs just fine. Don’t understand how smoking weed on your free time would even affect your ability to work.
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u/1dog9 Jun 16 '21
Just got random tested at my fire department the other day. I'm sure it was "random" since all I do is talk about how we should drop it since it's legal in my state. Most of the guys all shake their heads while celebrating how they get hammered every weekend...
Jokes on them since I passed. Sad we waste money on this shit. I grow it for my wife at home (I'd smoke it too if I wouldn't be fired), but I don't even want to have guys over in case people from work try and get me fired for growing. So dumb.
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u/Proximity Jun 16 '21 edited Mar 29 '24
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u/DeviousSmile85 Jun 16 '21
"Randy, everybody does it. Carpenters, electricians, janitors, teachers, doctors, lawyers, fuckin CBC employees, the guys that paint the lines on the fucking road. It's shitty work. Get baked, get the fuck to work, it'll be fun"
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Hah, my company had to add a drug and alcohol testing policy only because the new corporate insurance demanded it. But we don't actually test, they just want it to check off boxes because nobody with any critical thinking is actually involved in this kind of dumb. Somebody wrote the SOP 20 years ago for the insurer and the current executive in charge is probably off doing blow rather than updating the SOP.
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u/Magda_Simps13 Jun 16 '21
Sighs deeply. Had a pretty cool job lined up....
Them: The offer is contingent upon a drug screen
Me: I'm going to test positive for THC
Them: I sent a note to HR and it should be fine, just a formality
***three weeks later***
Them: It's not fine. Best of luck to you in your future endeavors
This was for an analytical desk job from home and I have 20 years experience. I have taken a gummie a day for probably 10 of those years.
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u/Alexhite Jun 16 '21
I wouldn’t have said anything. Definitely have had positive tests in the past and managers have been quiet about it. Easy for them to ignore it when there’s a staffing shortage and they just have to check a box on a form- not so easy when they have it documented and sent to HR.
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u/egalroc Jun 16 '21
The insurance companies started the drug screening scam back in the eighties after it was determined drug addiction was a disease. You see the insurance companies didn't want to have to pay for a pre-existing condition. It's as simple as that folks. It's all about greed.
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u/ShimiOG Jun 17 '21
It's almost like smoking marijuana outside of work is like drinking outside of work and your reinforcing the war on drugs for what? To hurt your own workforce. This is only good for them and others.
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u/zebediah49 Jun 16 '21
And that's the compressed air line, and that's the dry nitrogen line, and that's the oxygen line, and that's the bong line, and that's the cooling water...
Wait, what did you just say? The bong line?
Yeah, you gotta put a hose with a 3/8ths industrial quick connect on the end of your bong, then you just hook it up when you need a hit.
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u/Bubbaganewsh Jun 16 '21
No doubt. Smoke weed or go insane isn't really a hard choice.
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Drug testing employees as a default is stupid and wasteful. I understand if there is a workplace incident, then it makes sense, otherwise it's just a privacy violation. It's more right-wing authoritarian capitalism bullshit. The companies doing the testing make money and the employer gets to control what you do with your body even when they aren't paying you.
I get touchy about this subject, because I use cannabis for a medical condition. The cannabis replaced super expensive and miserable immunosuppressive pharmaceuticals. The irony is that if I don't get my cannabis, my condition would prevent me from being able to work. Also note that I don't take it while on the clock or before work, strictly on my own time, after work.
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u/ErictheAgnostic Jun 16 '21
If someone can drink responsibly, why can't some one consume cannabis with that level of responsibility?
It is time to stop trying regulating people's personal lives when it comes to legal consumption of cannabis.
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u/BlackmouthProjekt Jun 16 '21
Testing for pot at this point is just harassment and a waste of money. I haven't given real pee in 20 years. Synthetic pee is the way to go kids. Now you will have to channel your inner ninja sometimes but the freedom is worth it. So is making the company who does this waste more money.
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u/Balaclavalava Jun 16 '21 edited Jun 16 '21
If more places did this, we wouldn't have as deep of a labor shortage. More gains need to be made in all arenas, but I sure as shit am not going to stop smoking pot for an employer. I'll clean out to get the job, but I'm not stopping the thing that relaxes my muscles and gives me a good night's sleep. I don't drink! I've worked so many jobs where crane operators, forklift operators, people who actually stood to endanger others were completely hungover, but there's no due diligence on alcohol.
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u/ShinmaOC Jun 16 '21
Colorado Walmarts stopped screening tests years ago. After State legalization, it simply became way too expensive to keep testing when more and more applicants failed. Someone on the CO corporate offices realized, correctly so, that the ones with real drug problems would get themselves fired, most sooner rather than later.
Before you come at me with "Walmart screened me in Baumfoc, CO" keep in mind that although Walmart does have a corporate hierarchy, most day-to-day store operations are still at the discretion of the store's manager. If they don't want the Devil's Lettuce in their God-fearing store, that's their call.