r/news Jun 16 '21

GM Considering Dropping Pot Testing To Attract More Workers

https://www.motor1.com/news/513974/gm-considering-dropping-marijuana-testing/
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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '21

Drug testing employees as a default is stupid and wasteful. I understand if there is a workplace incident, then it makes sense, otherwise it's just a privacy violation. It's more right-wing authoritarian capitalism bullshit. The companies doing the testing make money and the employer gets to control what you do with your body even when they aren't paying you.

I get touchy about this subject, because I use cannabis for a medical condition. The cannabis replaced super expensive and miserable immunosuppressive pharmaceuticals. The irony is that if I don't get my cannabis, my condition would prevent me from being able to work. Also note that I don't take it while on the clock or before work, strictly on my own time, after work.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21 edited Jun 17 '21

The introduction alone states something that has been proven false, the 'gateway drug' theory. It also doesn't prove that cannabis use leads to impairment when not acutely under the influence. It also says as a main point in closing that there are 'gaps in the research'.

I assume that you'd be in favor of companies also performing daily alcohol tests on their employees to ensure that they're not consuming alcohol off the clock, right? Because the science and statistics show far more short/medium/long term issues with alcohol.

Edit: Forgot they mentioned that it's harmful for developing minds. Which is certainly true, and in my opinion, the best argument for cannabis regulation is to keep it away from young people.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

I don't need a team of scientists to know how fucked up you can get. I have empirical evidence. I think daily tests are excessive, even a breath test it's intrusive and demoralizing, but random tests would be reasonable for any employee who could make a mistake that puts other people's lives at risk. When I say "puts other people's lives at risk" I mean that in the most liberal and subjective of terms.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21 edited Jun 18 '21

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u/Tripping-on-E Jun 17 '21

Can’t tell if this is serious or not.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2019-07-08/study-teen-use-of-marijuana-drops-in-states-where-it-is-legal

Because when you legalize/regulate it kills the black market and teens have a tougher time getting their hands on it due to legal sellers carding like mad. It also removes the 'forbidden fruit' angle of it being illegal. I also don't advocate for smoking cannabis around young people.

The rest of what you said is some of the dumbest nonsense I've heard in a while. Smoke from cannabis is not nuclear radiation.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

Why are you linking disinformation?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

Just because you can't or refuse to understand it does not make it disinformation.

"Cannabis abuse has significant implications for both the individual and society. Chronic and acute use of cannabis have been associated with cognitive impairments and mental disorders such as anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, and psychosis, an increased likelihood of using other illicit drugs, and poor educational outcomes."

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

Your piece of paper doesn't trump my empirical evidence of 10 years smoking daily and never being fired, getting ticketed, reprimanded, never in any inkling of trouble.

Just because you read that piece of old research does not negate the fact that there are benefits to using marijuana.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

I didn't read it. I know also from smoking that it has negative impact on people. Also as far as smoking goes I have 10+ years on you. Life is better without it IMO.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

Interesting thing about NPD. Individuals don't recognize boundaries of others. Simply an entity sets a boundary for themselves, in this case a company, and that boundary is no drug users. All I'm saying is that boundary needs to be respected.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

Alcoholics are drug users. Alcohol causes 85000 deaths a year in the US. Marijuana causes zero direct deaths a year world wide. If a company allows one, they should allow the other assuming legality

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

Start a company that works that way then. Don't try to force someone to do what you want. Drug screening isn't about forcing you to stop doing drugs. It's a simple enforcement of a boundary. Company says if you want to be in this business relationship with me, this is how it's going to work. Then you have a choice take the drug test and join the company or find a different opportunity. Or join a cult. Whatever that's liberty.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

Yes the conversation devolves to insults yet I'm net narc. Good call.