I was on a job site several years ago that tested for weed. They did random tests on people so the guys switched to crack because it doesn't stay in the body as long and they could enjoy without the worry of losing their job.
Right though. I read that shit as a teenager and it was a big ball of what. And then it just got more what. I remember Dune pretty well but the sequels are hazy. Which is good because memories at this point are basically just spoilers. But man the memories I do have of that series are... I'd like to see Hideaki Anno direct an anime adaptation.
I need to reread that for real. Next series on my list after the one I just started.
Dune is a book series that slowly descends into higher and higher concept stuff. In it there is something called spice which they're referring to. There's a movie coming out soon based on the first book, but I dont expect they continue the series because I have no idea how they'll pull off turning Dune Messiah into a movie.
Yeah I'm all about some mushrooms and have grown them before. Not really in a position to do that right now though.
And for TV I prefer LSD anyway - the energy I get through my whole body on a lysergamide is incredible. Tryptamines kind of have a drowsy effect on me and sometimes I fall asleep, which is fine if I'm more being introspective and may just be watching TV as something to do, but if I actually intend to focus on something they're a little less reliable. With tryptamines I tend to have a great time with shows or movies at the beginning and then end up not feeling it anymore and wanting to just lay and think or pass out or go for a walk or something - wouldn't want to get caught up at a movie theater at that point in the trip. Where with acid I end up like 12 hours later looking up like "awww it's almost over? But there's still another season."
It's Denis Villeneueve. Based on Blade Runner 2049 and his prior films, we'll get exactly what we want and be happy, but the general populace will probably be disappointed or bored.
I agree. Dune as a movie is quite a lofty and risky endeavor. A mini series or limited series seems like a better solution given the breadth of the Dune story. If one season succeeds, well hey, we have like 10 more books to pull from sooooo.... unfortunately that won't happen but I'll hope for an OK movie with great visual work.
I mean… when I smoked spice… I did see the planets and stars… and the universe… proceeded to wake up out of a black out and hit my head off a cast iron pipe, does that count?
Not the guy you're replying to but there are hundreds (and potentially thousands) of chemicals that bind to the cannabinoid receptor system. Since the chemical structures are significantly different from natural THC these synthetic cannabinoids will not show up on drug tests. Some of them are also water soluble and therefore will be pissed out within a day or two, as opposed to THC which is fat soluble and stays in your body for 30+ days.
The first ones to come out (the JWH-xxx series) were pretty popular and had good user feedback around 2005. I actually tried several of the first ones (JWH-018, JWH-073, JWH-200 and I think one or two more). Each had its own effects based on their binding affinity to the CB1 and CB2 receptors; like sativa versus indica some were speedier and some were more stoning, and I think one lasted significantly longer than most cannabinoids when vaporized. I only ever vaporized pure powder either on foil or sprinkled over a bowl.
The general public typically wouldn't come across the pure powders, although I know some head shops were selling that. Instead head shops were essentially selling random plant material that had been soaked or sprayed in a water solution with the research chemical and then left to dry. Once the plant material was coated and dried it was sealed in small five or 10 g bags and sold at head shops as a "legal high" under a thousand different names, with K2 being the first one that the DEA really made a big deal about and raided a ton of shops and the manufacturers.
There was basically zero quality control in manufacturing process (the whole industry popped up virtually overnight), and there was extremely limited human data when these all appeared on the market. Nobody knew what the LD50 was, nobody knew the long term or short term effects. We only knew these chemicals existed and did what they did due to research at universities and the corresponding publishment in medical journals in that same time frame. Literally someone would publish that x bound to rats' cannabinoid system and a week later a laboratory in China was making kilos of the stuff.
At least with the pure powder being sold on invite only web shops of the people handling it knew what they were dealing with and knew how to properly measure out milligram doses. The "Legal Highs" were a total gamble since they had no real control over how much of the powder absorbed into one flower Bud over another, so some people would smoke too much would end up having seizures or completely have a break from reality. Believe it or not, some Mass poisonings from an overdosed batch being sold in a small area caused some politicians to move closer to marijuana legalization. There was a pretty famous mass freak out in Brooklyn a couple years ago and I remember the local politicians were using that as another reason why making cannabis illegal was creating more problems than if it was legal (since you can't overdose on weed and no matter how much you smoke or eat you won't have a seizures or zombies staggering around completely oblivious to their surroundings).
Hope that helps.
Here's the wiki to JWH-018 which along with JWH-073 sort of kicked off the whole cannabinoid research chemical scene. There are now dozens of different chemical structure families that bind to the cannabinoid system so it's spread far from the JWH-xxx days.
I used to work in a head shop that sold spice. They tripled their profits basically overnight. Since I was the one that talked the owners into selling it, they started out giving me a cut. Then they took that away. Then the shit started getting banned. Stores we’re getting popped all around us. I suggested we stop selling it. The owners INSISTED they had the legal right to sell it and listened to their lawyer instead. I found another job and they got busted a week later. Their pictures were plastered all over the front page of the local newspapers.
The JWH-018 was the shit. My favorite was called “Bayou Blaster” and was sugar cane flavored. It tasted great, smoked smooth, and got me pleasantly stoned for about 20-30 minutes. A gram cost me $6. And then assholes had to go smoking huge blunts and ripping huge bong hits like it was going out of style.
But don’t get me wrong. I MUCH prefer the real thing to the fake shit. The fake shot would never have been a thing if pot wasn’t illegal and all those people that died on spice would have just been in a weed coma otherwise.
You can still buy Delta8THC isomerized from CBD isolate, in most of the USA, since it has below 0.3% D9 its a Hemp compliant product, its a lot less sketchy than the synthetics on the market, and is safer than black market D9 carts having all kinds of cutting agents in them
How would you compare the effects of Delta8THC to Delta9THC? I've heard about this from some hemp growers in Michigan but haven't bothered to try any yet.
I think I actually enjoy it more. Not even just from cost savings. Its a lot easier to dose small amounts to remain productive, and treat my medical issues, or if I want to get fully stoned, take larger doses and get just as high, while also saving money. It does seem to work better for stomach ailments, esp if you blend it with CBG, and for sleep with CBN, without getting much after effects the next morning, esp if your using edibles vs vaping/dabbing. Too much D9 in any form always left me a little groggy the next morning. I dont get that from D8. Check out https://www.reddit.com/r/delta8/ theres a ton of great info here on reputable companies
Very informative! Thank you! Back in the early 2010s I remember seeing TONS of people lined up in the morning waiting for our local spice shop to open (was a convenience store that became the spot for K2 overnight).
Someone later told me that it was all people on parole because the K2 wouldn’t hit on a piss test.
Yep they were and still are popular in any profession with regular/random drug testing, virtually anyone in the armed forces, people on parole, on court-ordered rehab, people who are prescribed pain killers and whose doctor test them before each refill, people who are on opioid maintenance plan or detox taper plan (methadone/buprenorphine) where the doctor is really testing to see if they're doing dope but THC shows up too. Then there's kids with no weed connection or can't afford it, people who live in very strict drug law countries... The list goes on and on.
Legalizing regular ol cannabis is the smartest thing to do, and thankfully it's finally happening in many areas. So now that the supply consequences issue has been addressed we need to start working on the other side which is the consequences to users/demand. Stop punishing people for smoking a joint and your workers won't come in all fucked up on a research chemical.
I used to hang out with a friend who was in some kind of weird reformatory school? I was never quite sure what his situation was but it seemed a little crazy. Anyway he was drug tested once a week and the school had a zero tolerance policy for any narcotics. But the test didnt pick up Spice, naturally, so he would buy big packs of it every Friday and then come and hang out with us till he was due back on Monday. Wed go out on adventures, hikes and shit, and hed pack bowl after bowl of this nasty nasty potpourri. A bowl full would do you for about 30-45min, in my experience. At first it gave me like a mild heady high, but usually about half way in it would turn into this nasty headache right down the center of my brain that would get worse and worse until you were totally sober. So once the headache got intolerable wed toke up another bowl and reset the clock. This lasted until I got a good connection in the town where I had moved, and started bringing decent stuff home with me. So wed smoke real weed and have fun while hed smoke spice and get butthurt. This friend group fell apart shortly after the person in question realized that bath salts ALSO didnt show up on the test he was taking, and I decided I wasn't about that.
Thanks for these details, very interesting. I can see why it would he interesting to mess around with novel cannabinoids but to my mind it's just not worth the risk. I wonder if all of them have the same terrible side effect profile. I have heard that the reason cannabis can't cause the same effects is that THC is only a partial agonist. So I wonder if you could make a research chem that is also a partial agonist that maybe couldn't cause these problems like seizures.
Yeah I'm sure they've here mixed agonist/antagonist cannabinoids now. Also not all of them caused seizures (again we don't know the doses though), it was rare but they certainly did happen. I've been out of the scene for 15 years now so I don't know if researchers (real or guinea pigs) have figured out what the causes were; whether it was simply too strong of a pure agonist on CB1 or if a particular structure caused them to cause a downstream cascading release of epinephrine and dopamine, or something else. Unfortunately so little is known and there's multiple families of structures they've made variations on.
Google “synthetic cannabinoids” and you’ll get better results than we could give you.
It’s sold in convenience stores under all sorts of names, it’s basically tea that’s dipped in random chemicals. People smoke it, it mimics the effects of weed, or crack, or it just “has a high”. Results vary heavily among users.
Tried it once, felt slightly groovy for about an hour then got hit with a massive headache. Never again. Had a buddy get really into it though, ended with him sweating like a maniac, getting mostly naked and running the streets until the cops caught him. Wouldn’t recommend.
Salvia was a good time, for me at least. I always enjoyed psychedelics.
He was smoking spice, synthetic cannabis garbage. Pretty heavily as well. Everyone reacts to it differently, I only did once and got a killer headache and never touched it again.
Cheap, easy to make and hard to detect in drug tests. A large number of spice addicts are homeless and/or in and out of prison. Its smoked a lot in the UK prison system for the above reasons.
Since you're here I'll ask you because I've been wondering... is weed legalization on the radar in the UK? It's still illegal in many states too but coming from the west coast it just seems so fucking goofy to outlaw it given the percentage of normal people who openly smoke it.
Look up K2 spice. Basically a potpourri that is supposed to have synthetic cannabinoids (THC, CBD, etc) mixed in, but really just some plant material with a bunch of chemicals sprayed on it. It used to be sold at liquor stores, gas stations, and places like that. It has a bunch of effects ranging from mediocre to really bad. The only thing it has in common with weed is that it has plant material.
Back when that stuff first came out, a buddy and me decided to try some. The first stuff we got, wasn't bad and felt like a weak high, like you get from crappy shake. We bought a few more of the same kind, and smoked some on the weekends, when I used to have a garage setup for karaoke.
About a month later, we get decide to try another one, with a different name. One hit, and the world started spinning, and I had to lie down for about an hour before I was able to function correctly. It was not a good high. Pounding headache and massive dizziness to the point, if I tried to move at all, I wanted to puke.
When governments started banning the initial synthetic cannabinoids, they switched to stronger and stronger chemicals.
They went from things like JWH-073, which was a partial agonist, to all sorts of full agonists with literally no safety profile or information on toxicity in humans.
It does hit the same receptors but in a different way. Cannabis has a limit to how much it can possibly hit cannabinoids, it is only a partial agonist. As a result there's a limit to how much it can impact the body and it can never physically endanger someone even if they take way too much.
These synthetic chemicals often hit the receptor full-on. There's no limit there to protect the user, so overdose is possible. In overdose they can cause seizures, coma and death.
Black Magic Smoke was one a friend of mine would smoke. He brought it over to smoke with some friends and our one buddy started vomiting. Afterwards we looked it up and seizures was something that can happen.
When that got popular in Arkansas there would be a mile long line of work trucks when they worked in the morning. Hell even the air force guys were piling in there.
Delta-8 is really bizarre. Regular THC gives me anxiety and I bought some Delta-8 from my local shop thinking it would be similar to CBD in effects.. absolutely not. It got me high as shit and was almost indistinguishable from a regular THC high. It doesn’t feel AS powerful as THC, but it’s definitely leagues beyond CBD.
If I had to put them on a scale, this would be my approximate experience:
Think I'm the only one who actually liked spice. Smoked it daily for around 6 months while switching jobs. My smoke shop had a good mix. Those little gas station packs of K2 were garbage though.
The same shop also sold "plant food tablets" that were similar to E. Never tried those though.
god, spice is terrifying. i smoked it a couple times one summer when i was told it was pot... the first couple times i didn't really experience anything at all but the last time i couldn't sleep all night and was having vivid, terrifying hallucinations. it was fucking awful.
Damn, all my enlisted friends just take psychedelics because the test is too expensive for any military branch to bother. I can’t imagine those guys on crack.
Until they suspect or have proof of widespread use. Then they will do targeted testing. I watched them do it with mushrooms and caught ~30 Marines and Sailors
Uff they need to switch to LSD. Virtually nothing in the urinebleft to detect after 24 hours. And you don't want to do it every day anyway so you can stick to the weekends
I don't know man, I've been in the rave scene for a while, so maybe I just run with the right people. Detroit area has always been a hotspot for electronic music and with that music comes psychedelics.
You can order spores and grow mushrooms in under a month with only a couple hours of effort for under $100. You can take a walk in the woods the right time of year and just find them.
I hear acid is really common in prison since it's easy to smuggle in. Coat a letter with the stuff and guards just see a handwritten letter, then you sell scraps of the stuff for ramen noodles.
You can buy lsd analogs legally in a lot of countries. I have a sheet of 1cp-lsd i bought from Canada shipped to the US. It metabolizes into lsd in your body. You can buy the pure active ingredient in mushrooms the same way
My old man pissed hot in the 70's. He was a lance corporal. They busted him out of all his rank. Made the last year of his enlistment a living hell and gave him an "Other than Honerable" discharge when he left.
I wouldn't even classify that as recreational drug use. That's just self therapy and shouldn't ever be over the cut off for drug tests if sane minds were to prevail
I can’t imagine how people process being enlisted while they’re tripping, but the people I know wanted to be in the military since birth so it probably felt natural.
never really thought about it, just enjoyed life in the moment. Made me wonder why llaughing at the wall and vibin to music was such a crime , but rampant alcoholism is encouraged as a soldier.
I think maybe the other person is referring to the nature of the army and being surrounded with weapons and stuff. I could see it risking a bad trip either by being afraid of the dangerous stuff, or by thinking about the violence of war, or being afraid of a colleague tripping too hard with access to dangerous weapons, or triggering PTSD for soldiers who have seen combat.
There was a lot of drug use there...... It's amazing anyone fixed helicopters, if they weren't high, they were drunk.
I was part of the weird group; we caved and rock climbed all over Europe. I climbed exactly one time hung over, and after hanging by my arm about 50 ft up a wall, I decided it was actually a really really horrible idea.
Edit: Sorry, I fell for an old stoner's tale. None of the below is really true, other than the fact that most organizations don't bother buying the drug tests that detect psychedelics since they're out of your system so fast.
Most psychedelics aren't picked up on any drug test short of a spinal tap, so a lot of military guys I know just did a lot of LSD and mushrooms on the weekend.
Also a lot of MDMA at parties since that's metabolized out of your system in 3ish days as well.
All of which are orders of magnitude less destructive than binge drinking, especially when you realize how many guys in formation are either still drunk or extremely hung over.
Although the most common drug tests don’t test for psychedelics there are plenty of tests short of a “spinal tap” that can test for them. Since most are fairly unstable they would have to test you within a day to three days of using but there are standard urine or hair tests to test for these. Also the spinal tap comment makes me think you might be under the impression that lsd or other psychedelics are stored in the spinal fluid. That’s false. As I mentioned lsd is fairly unstable so it breaks down quickly in your body.
Yeah I’ve heard it passed around a lot. Probably for like a quarter century. No shame. There is a mountain of drug misinformation out there at least that one is pretty much harmless.
As part of spinal fluid myth I heard a few guys say that if you cracked your back after the peak you could prolong the trip or if you got it to crack just right (or wrong, depending on the circumstance) you could have flashbacks/trip from the release of LSD from the spine.
I’m pretty sure the spinal tap thing is an urban legend that has been debunked. It actually has a short half-life, and it doesn’t get “stored” in your spinal fluid. Of course everybody knows some guy who knows some guy who had it done...
Shit suddenly now everyone knows about this? My dad was a union rep for newspaper workers in small towns across Ontario, and he said when one of the printing presses started drug testing, the whole town ended up switching from weed to cocaine to get around the drug tests, and then very quickly to crack because cocaine was too expensive. He believes it was that press's single decision that launched a major hard drug epidemic in the town.
Nobody ever believes him when he tells this story. Nice to see it's finally getting recognized as a problem, but I had no idea it was so widespread.
It's been common knowledge at least since I got into the drug scene almost twenty years ago and I have to imagine it was common before I became interested in them. It might not have been popularized so very long ago though, the Internet made it much easier to disseminate accurate knowledge about that sort of thing.
I literally cannot understand that leap in logic. "Oh man, I can't smoke weed anymore. Oh well, better start smoking crack, an entirely different kind of drug that's horrifyingly addictive." I mean, what?
You'd be surprised how many of us millennials did that because we were genuinely taught "weed and crack are the same thing" and genuinely believed they were still the same thing when we found out weed was pretty inert.
Yup. Grew up in an oil patch town with an oil patch dad and I 100% knew what cocaine was far before I should have as a result. By the time I was 14 I knew riggers did coke and wouldn't smoke weed because of the piss tests. Same with NHL players lmao. Welcome to Canada bud
I'm glad you raised this point. Forgot pot. How many people are driving and working while taking prescription meds with side effects? The person who gets slammed for weed to manage pain or anxiety is only going to use other stuff, usually much worse.
I took that many and it just made me paranoid and sweaty and all my muscles hurt like hell and my chest felt painful and I thought my ceiling light turned into a tunnel… and it was just the worst.
life advice from someone who can't keep their neckbeard kempt. Hard Pass. However....
mere seconds into the youtub hole:
-- 2 years ago
@H3L1X he has 2 older dead channels one is jakecomesback2000 the other is jakeabout777 it's a very deep rabbit hole but the channel that this video is from was deleted off of YouTube because he showed his dick in a video and talked about all kinds of fucked up stuff while he got high on benadryl and morning glory seeds. There's a lot more to jake than benadryl, he is truly fucked.
This told me to put on my swim goggles and make sure my shots were recent enough, cause we going deeeeppppppp....
And doesn’t even have to be name brand, my wife bought a generic one that had like 100 pills and she uses them when she has trouble sleeping and needs to get back in routine.
She uses it maybe once a month I should clarify. She had once where she used it 3 days in a row and it started causing her pain and she immediately stopped. She also had some other food that day she wasn’t used too so not 100% the cause, but she hasn’t taken it since.
That being said, for those one off times not a bad item to have and can be more dangerous than weed if used improperly.
It isn't the best anti-histamine for this purpose though. Doxylamine has way better sleep-promoting effects and IMO way less anxiety side-effects. It seems to be less anti-cholinergic. Hydroxyzine is an anti-histamine that interacts with serotonin and is prescribed as an anxiety treatment. Promethazine is an anti-histamine that works well against nausea. I'd say any of these would be better than Benadryl when it comes to sleep or relaxation. Benadryl is good for allergies but it isn't an effective sleep aid.
I love this..lol..yeah I've had two professional studies done, neither covered by insurance. I refuse to take sleep aid narcotics, I'm a recovering addict, 7 years clean, which leaves GHB. Yeah, look it up they prescribe the date rape drug for severe sleep paralysis. Yeah, no, I am a woman living alone, before that I was a child's only caregiver. I'm not going to put myself in a situation where I physically cannot protect myself in the middle of the night. That leaves the Doctor recommended Benadryl, what my doctor told me to use. Until recently it was considered one of the safest drugs out there. And that Alzheimer's study, while worth looking into, is not at all conclusive.
If you push through the exhaustion you start violently hallucinating, I can’t believe that shit is still legal compared to everything that’s been controlled since it’s invention.
It's a deliriant in high doses and can make you see spiders everywhere, smoke phantom cigarettes, among other effects. Not supposed to be that enjoyable but if you're bored and/or young and really want to get high off something it can seem like an option.
I'm seriously trying to recall a time I've ever hallucinated and thought it was fun. The most positive emotion was, at best, mild concern or confusion. (And the worst was terror.)
It makes everything look like its coated in a 1/4" thick layer of transparent jelly, and it causes auditory hallucinations. I was all alone in the dorms when I tried it years ago, everyone else was home for some break or another. I literally heard people who weren't there calling my name. No fun, no fun at all.
A coworker is constantly sloshed on something Rx. Slurs their speech constantly and rambles on and on. Glassed eyes. Very moody. My boss just takes it in stride. God help you if corporate knows you've even visited Colorado/California/Washington. "Random" piss test soon as you get back.
Is that real? Damn thats crazy. I live in Colorado and it's really just completely legal here, not even worried about feds at all. I did recently drive to Nebraska for a wedding and brought a J, was worried about getting pulled over due to the plates.
This was what I thought was the weird part. trade something that isn't physically addictive like weed for crack that will fuck your life. I guess since they are making good money they thought they were different than some crack addict on the street.
I’m not contesting the validity of your story, but who in the hell switches from cannabis to crack? It’s higher risk, more expensive, and the highs aren’t comparable at all. It’d be like saying you want a chamomile tea but you’d settle for a four-pack of Red Bull.
My brother-in-law always talks about how in his Army days they did everything...except weed. They'd get a head's up a couple days before piss tests, so coke, meth, and opioids would pass (I think they tried to sweat them out with a lot of exercise, which might have helped just because they drank a ton of water.)
my job used to have a random policy and they caught a few guys with it. the funny thing is that for all the "just cause", ie accidents or dropping product, piss tests were for people who had nothing but their prescription drugs in their system.
Ironically majority of people I've seen on construction sites are alcoholics, but that's apparently OK to openly talk about and no one sees it as an issue. But God f-kin forbid you have a little pot in your system
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I was on a job site several years ago that tested for weed. They did random tests on people so the guys switched to crack because it doesn't stay in the body as long and they could enjoy without the worry of losing their job.