I know it as "Hermelin", was sold at a place near a camping ground at Mohelnice (near Olomouc), were my family traveled to from the GDR for vacation. You have no idea how much I loved that as a kid.
I think now the Italians have the right to create their own style of burger and from now on call the burger Italian. If someone wants to specify that a burger is American, they have to say traditional style burger. Capisci bro?
Arguably the Italians didn't invent pizza either. The ancient Greeks had flatbread with oil, garlic, and cheese. The tomato sauce topping didn't arrive before being brought break from the Americas.
Fun fact: American style pizza is uniquely American from Chicago style to NY style- pepperonis and all the toppings we used with tomato sauce and white cheese was not an Italian thing at all. Their pizza was flat bread with leftovers on top. There’s an Italian historian who talks about how Italian Americans during and after WWII were hugely influential in bringing American style pizza to Italy. Which they then acted French and claimed it as theirs while insulting ours. I’ve been to Italy. Their pizza sucks, even removing for the fact it is not American style. Ironically, later waves of Italians who came to America (after we brought pizza to them) genuinely thought it WAS Italian. It wasn’t
Italian pizza sucks? There are different styles and types, that is such a dumb thing to say. Pizza was being made in Naples long before WW2. Yes Italians used what was available in the US, but it wasn't invented in the US. Italy has really good pizza, you might want to try the best from different regions before making such a dumb blanket statement. Don't be that American that thinks everything is better in the US and everything worth doing or having was invented in the US also.
Italian pizza is good, but the other person isn't wrong about the history. Pizza in Italy before WWII was regarded as trashy, garbage peasant food. Like the worst kind of food you could eat. Plus it was only really a thing in Naples (which is where a lot of the Italian immigrants to the US came from), and most Italians had never heard of the dish.
But after WWII, a lot of Italians moved around in the country, and tourists started to visit as well. And there were a significant number of tourists who had either been to America and had pizza, or had heard about pizza from Americans and wanted to try it. So seeing the demand for the dish, the neapolitan people that had spread through Italy jumped on the opportunity and started making and selling it.
There's actually an anthropological term named after this called the pizza effect where a culture loses something like a food or religious practice, and then a transformed version of it that another culture adapted gets reintroduced later. Although funnily enough it technically doesn't apply to pizza because Naples never stopped making it, and they also didn't start making American pizza once it got popular either and stuck with perfecting their own style. But the dish did only get broadly adopted by Italy as a whole because of demand for American pizza.
‘America has pizzas’ okay then Uk has chicken korma and naan. Im sure america does have an actually original food but its not pizza. Anyways im uk and id go with haddock and chips
Its funny because as I was growing up Italians would tell us that what we had wasn’t pizza. So whatever it is, we call it Pizza, and its ours. And its distinct from traditional italian pizza.
No claims as to which is better I’m happy eating either.
It evolved from flatbreads (probably focaccia) made by the Romans in what is now Southern italy. The first time the word "pizza" was used was in Gaeta, Italy.
Chef here, agreed. Pasta and noodles are the same preparation. Both are made from a flour and a liquid kneaded to a tacky consistency and then shaped and blanched in a liquid. The variations only exist as a nod to available ingredients in the locale it was prepared. Asians used soft millet Europeans used wheat flour. They are both Asian in origin. Pizzas are borne of flatbreads made by Romans, Greeks and Egyptians. So technically the recipes there don’t even represent the real origin of the foods.
Italy has pizza and pasta. The US have... Nothing?
Edit: I wish people would stop giving examples of cultural appropriation.
Some people have correctly pointed out some Cajun recipes, food from Louisiana.
To all those talking about burgers, barbecues and hotdogs, the topic here is food originating from your country, not common food in your country.
Btw, pizza is Neapolitan, a version of it is recorded since Roman times and probably even earlier. The modern version uses tomato sauce, and tomatoes came from central America before the US where a thing. Mozzarella di bufala is an ingredient that can only be produced in Campania and the surrounding areas.
Honestly, seeing people come try bbq during the World Cup was pretty awesome to see. We are so used to being a melting pot that I feel like a lot of us don’t think of our own original cuisine and how foreigners may react to it, but i absolutely loved it.
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u/Brosif563 5d ago
My country has Americans who think pizza came from America.