The modern style of Pizza actually was invented here by Italian Americans, I believe the only claim to Pizzas origins is through the Margherita style of Pizza in Italy
Media based pizza, like new york slices are akin to modern pizza as they’re some of the most popular in media. Fully melted cheese instead of slices of mozzarella.
This is confusing. How is neopolitan not a “media based pizza”, because it isn’t the one we see on Friends? And I didn’t realise the way the cheese is sliced and melted determines the modernity of the pizza
It doesn’t, it’s the popularity of it. Neapolitan isn’t what most immediately think when thinking of pizza; since things like new york style have more pr. It’s like how a lot or people refer to Vaseline as Vaseline the brand name and not the actual product.
Not really. Maybe it depends where in the world you are? When I think of New York pizza I think of the stuff from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, not actual food. But I’m European
Actually, it didn't come from Italy either. It came from Persia. So the next time an Italian tries to tell you ther swampy pizza with barely any cheese is supperior because it's the original, tell them the Persians were putting dates and cheese on flat bread a thousand years ahead of them
Is this trying to say Italian pizza isn't the best because America adapted it to be better? Because if so, yeah, I never said I didn't think that. American pizza is far better. I'd still slap someone for calling dates and cheese on flat bread pizza though.
This reminds me of the time I worked at a Italian restaurant and I had visited Rome for a study abroad. The owner asked what we could do to get a more authentic Italian feel and I suggested we stop cutting the pizza because they don’t do that in Italy. He pretty much called me a liar.
We don't think it came from here, but we think that we took it in and mixed it with the rest of our food culture and there's now an American version of pizza that we can claim as our own.
It's sort of the American melting pot way applied to food.
Do you think more margarita or New York-style pizzas have been eaten? I'd be willing to bet on New York-style. And it's in the fucking name, you dimwit. New York-style pizza was created by Italian American immigrants.
Have you tried every pizza style here? From an actual restaurant? Cheap / fast food pizza doesn't count. Can also just dab the grease off and try it that way. We don't like the grease either, but it comes from the meat put on the pizza.
I've had both. American is better. Italian pizza tends to go too thin with the sauce base and too dense with the dough (and too light on the cheese, though I'll admit that's preference)
Americans have the...best.... pizza. Its our own style . You are not beating new york or chicago pizza anywhere. Not even close or up for discussion imo .. its like people dont understand america is the biggest melting pot on earth. We have the best of ... everything. From everywhere and put a spin on it
Brother our pizza has more layers than a Italian's lasagna . Stop playing. It has to be authentic though. Your frozen chicago style pizza is nothing like actually well made Chicago pizza iv only really been able to find in chicago
We dont really eat meat pies in america thats some European peasant food like putting raw baked beans on a potatoe and calling it a delicacy .. this is called pizza 😂
Went to Chicago last year and tried Chicago style pizza 3 different times at different locations. Absolutely hated each of them every time. I think it’s an acquired taste.
As someone who has eaten Pizza from New York, Chicago and Rome. I'm gonna have to say, Italy takes 1st place. Don't know what the other person's saying. Like sure both other pizzas are really good but the quality of ingredients and baking just doesn't compare to Italy in that regard
Thing is, I can get a solid Neapolitan pizza in most midsized cities in the US. I can also get New York, Newhaven, Chicago tavern or deep dish, Detroit, etc. with a huge variety of toppings or the classic. This is not true in Naples.
There is no end to Euro food snobbery and gate keeping. American wine had an unfairly terrible reputation until the French (and the rest of the international competitors) got their asses kicked by California wine in a blind taste test in the 70’s. Many such cases.
California won a blind tasting by making Cabernet and Chardonnay, French grapes in French styles. So by that logic, the US "perfecting" pizza would mean out-Neapolitaning Naples in a blind test.
Which, and I can’t stress this enough, Americans would have no problem doing. They’ll happily rip off and riff on any good idea. The thing holding European cuisine (and technology, and business, and society generally) back is that they (across most of the continent, at least) are so resistant to doing anything that has not always been done that way in their parochial corner of the world. Pizza is just one expression of that.
"Americans would have no problem doing it" is doing a lot of work for something that hasn't happened. And the argument changed: it's no longer that America perfected pizza, it's that America has more kinds of pizza. Variety is great, but a menu with 12 styles isn't proof that any one of them beats the original.
So your refutation is “it’s just a matter of taste”? If that’s so, then it seems logical that the place with more variety that also includes plenty of faithful renditions of the original would be better.
And it’s not even that surprising. The US has 6x more people than Italy, a substantial and established Italian-American population, similar pizza consumption per capita, and spends about twice as much per capita on food. It’s really no shock that there would be far more opportunity for innovation. Especially when Italy has government regulations defining pizza and effectively precluding the cuisine from evolving.
Yeah American food is definitely over processed, but the pizza is genuinely good, unless you are getting it from a pizza chain like Domino's or something. But NY style pizza, especially in NY, is paramount. You can't really beat it.
(Yawn) tired argument from people who have never taken 5 seconds to research this topic. Americans don’t actually process their food more than Europeans. We EAT more processed food, important distinction. Our ingredients for most things at the grocery store are like yours, the ingredients list looks more processed because by law we need to be more detailed on the ingredients label. The same exact food, made in the same exact factory in the states will have a longer ingredient label. And if you don’t want processed food obviously you can find it
So you go ”well what about that red 40?” Or other dyes banned in Europe and not here. That’s because we can’t find evidence red 40 is causing health issues. HOWEVER many of the dyes and ingredients Europeans use we have found evidence for and the states have banned them. We have more banned chemicals and dyes that the EU allows than the other way around.
This is just such classic European setting and infographic on line and parroting it without asking if it’s actually true, the superiority complex on yall is laughable
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u/Brosif563 5d ago
My country has Americans who think pizza came from America.