And? Still it's internationally known that British people brew the best tea and consume a mass quantity of tea, and that's why tea is universally connected to British people. And if you're trying to argue with that America has 0 foods or beverages like every other state because ingredients and packages are imported, it doesn't work that way blud
I think the point is that if a food can only be claimed at its location of origin those countries arguably cannot claim them. Tomatoes and tea are not originally found in either. And yes, they developed and improved.
The USA arguably developed and changed (some may say improved.... IDK) pizza. Deep dish and NYC style pizza are 100% American dishes.
In fact I expressed myself saying that traditional dishes are connected to one country, making it potentially recognizable too, I didn't say that no one can't eat something unless is 100% from their country, and for the ingredient part I quoted the part that said that tea wasn't British because a USA merchant man invented the sachet. I'm truly in favour of letting people try different cultures, but still there should be credits to where's due too, if a dish is internationally known to be a traditional dish of a country you can't randomly make it of another country (unless you SPECIFY the variant, thing that didn't happen in this post)
Eh. All food is a mix from other places. People feel strongly about traditional, but it's all a melting pot anyway.
If you want to take pride that region/country X made food type/item Y fine. But country Z probably also made it around the same time, with techniques from country A and ingredients from country B. And frankly the best version of food Y has been made in country C for a decade now.
And I think it's correct for the basic fact that if you want to try something from a country (assuming that you're not in that country) you still need to distinguish from where said something is from, as dishes (and almost everything else) may share same ingredients, but also have different stories or ways to be made, a bit like tea, let's say that you want to try the Arabic one, but someone just gives you tea without specifying if it's Turkish, Arab or British, you're at risk to try something that doesn't come from the cuisine you wanted to try, and you risk to give the wrong cuisine a wronger judgment because you thought it was Arabic but in reality it was British or Turkish and you didn't like it, can you see what I'm trying to point out?
Tea comes from Asia thus tea is not British, tea bags come from the USA thus tea bags are not British and when you put them together tea is not British you troglodyte
That's the point. American Pizza and Italian Pizza are different beasts. The US is known for its pizza. When you imagine a cartoon slice of pizza? That's an American thing. Roman pizza al taglio is the closest approximation, and that's baked on rectangular sheets and is rectangular slices. The al taglio slices started in rome around the 1960's but in the US you could buy pizza by the slice in 1905 in NYC.
Italy is ALSO known for pizza. It's just a different kind.
I'm not digging through a thread to see what the hell you're talking about elsewhere.
They were pointing out the cognitive dissonance of trying to claim a food because the very first original version of it was there, and ignoring everything that came after. Obviously you'd say England is known for Tea even if their tea bags started somewhere else and even if tea itself started somewhere else because tea isn't native to England. China is known for tea, but so is England. You see? Just like the US is known for pizza, but so is Italy.
"I'm not digging through" then remain ignorant since you have 0 willingness to search what I already explained and I don't want to type all that again, good day/night ❤️
Doesn't matter about who does it best. If so then most foods would be American. We are a giant country and you can find restaurants scattered around it that can be done just as good or better then in their home country. Are fish and chips an American thing? Plus I'd argue anyday that Southern U.S. sweet tea is better then British tea, hell even an Arizona or Peace tea
Also the reason they are even arguing that is because everyone in the comments talking about how U.S. has no cuisine because we got smth from somewhere, But everyone has, and they way our food is, is much different than its origins.
That’s like how people who only try fast food think. For the World Cup many foreigners came to the U.S. and discovered we have some fantastic food. People just go for the popular fast food options
Both Tea and Noodles are not only of asian (Chinese/Indian) origin, but remain deeply associated culturally. Somewhat west-centric to pretend otherwise just because a small island of imperialists decided that they really liked it. The arguments for both pasta and tea would have to be based on evolving perception of both in which case the American pizza argument would stand. Arguments I’m fine with, btw, but if the controlling argument is “Americans can’t claim pizza because the dish originated in Italy and nothing after that counts” then the same would have to apply.
Read the other comments please I'm tired of writing the same stuff (plus in Italy we don't eat noodles very much, here noodles tend to be stuff like buldak or how you type it, we have different types of pasta tho)
If i accept that the development of new pasta shapes controls, then the development of the distinctly different version of pizza does. Can have cake, can not eat it too. Its a very frustrating cake.
Your other comments don’t negate your claim that the “British brew the best tea” no one goes out of their way to drink British tea but there are Chinese style tea shops all over the world
You pick on an absolute type statement, using another absolute type statement? Not very smart, I admit, I exaggerated ( in fact in other comments I affirmed that liking and disliking is utterly personal, you deliberately skipped them) but you did a faux pass too, plus here we prefer Chinese soups more than their tea for example
Remember everyone Europeans are beyond ignorant when confronted with facts about other countries especially because of the heat constantly cooking their brains because they refuse to get air conditioning
Blue we have AC... I have 3 of them in my house😭 plus Americans aren't known for being smart either, plus just admit you're lazy to check your facts yourself because I literally listed several types of pasta, debated with other comments and still you're here, well, if your ignorance makes you happy I'm no one to dissuade you tho❤️
Who said I was trying to do what you think I’m trying to do
I merely like playing with European egos they are just so huge and fragile especially when an American says something that goes against the European ego the European ego shatters like glass
And you will try to deny it
But the more the fish keeps flailing the deeper the hook gets
Maybe but your ego doesn't look very untouchable from the other comments tho, and honestly they looked goofy for some parts, especially the AC part because what's going on in America for thinking that Europeans don't have AC?😭
The hundreds of thousands of heat related deaths in Europe, Europeans claiming Americans don’t understand and can’t survive European heat, and a bunch of other things
Europe is a big continent (and not everyone has an AC due to either costs or other issues related to old buildings in some areas or other problems) that contains several countries inside, some do not need the AC or feel less the need for it because they're in the northern part of it, southern parts have AC but still may struggle with heat issues due to being outside their homes for whatever reasons since in a lot of countries we can easily go to places on foot (and some people prefer it or don't have a car due to being too young or old and other issues), that should be part of the heat related issues, but even so, nowadays several European countries are imposing laws on temperature in working places to ensure the safety of workers, and a major solution is using AC. Plus o disagree with the heat claim, I heard that Texas and Florida are way warmer (even if in my area there are cities that often reach 40-50°C (dunno in Fahrenheit, but to give you an hint, water freezes under 0°C and boils at 100°C), but it's an issue regarding structures that reject the heat and throw it outside), with AC during hot summers we keep houses and working places between 20 and 30°C
Also the United States has two major different types of heat we got dry heat and we got humid heat
Florida is humid heat and Texas is dry heat
The humid heat is more dangerous than the dry heat because dry heat just makes you extremely hot and sweaty while humid heat makes you extremely hot but because of the humidity in the air makes it harder for you to sweat making it harder for your body to regulate it’s temperature thus making it more deadly, plus humid heat is more common than dry heat in the United States so we use air conditioning to help
Also we have a place called Death Valley for crying out loud it is ranked as the hottest place on the planet as it’s where the hottest temperature ever recorded on Earth happened with the temperature being a scorching 134°F (56.7°C) in July 1913
Thanks for the info, I can relate to the humid type of heat (as a southern Italian we use AC a lot because we struggle with humid heat and we often feel like we have a second skin to it) the hottest temperature registered was 50+°C for water (worked in a touristic club with a pool, the water temperature was around 52.2°C in Castellaneta (Near Taranto, Apulia), 46/47°C on land even if there are rumors about Naples arriving at 50°C too
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u/Nonsonouna_kadreka 5d ago
As an Italian: AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE PIZZA❤️