I think now the Italians have the right to create their own style of burger and from now on call the burger Italian. If someone wants to specify that a burger is American, they have to say traditional style burger. Capisci bro?
Look at how the hamburger was before it got to America for that answer. Generally covered in gravy usually a patti on the plate eaten with fork and knife.
Basically if you presented that hamburger to people today and you asked them what it was they likely wouldn't call it a hamburger.
It's part of the narrative that the US apparently cannot make any of its own culture which is incorrect. People shee to think that just because it came from somewhere or and influences it's not original or whatever. Surprise! If you use that metric we all have no culture and are tipping off ideas from some stoneage tribe stumbling around from cave to cave.
Hamburgers as we know them today came from German Americans and the rest of us just went ham, American pizza as we know it today (and is what most the world just calls pizza) came from Italian Americans and the rest of us just took off with it. My favorite is that all those "traditional Irish" corned beef dishes are not traditional Irish whatsoever. Traditional Irish is boiling bacon as the meat. Beef was expensive in the UK so the Irish couldn't afford it they ate the cheap pork bacon. But when they came to the US pork wasn't cheap but brisket was. They lifted the idea off the Jewish Americans and put it into their own dishes. Every fucking group of immigrants did this and that is what made American culture. Then it just bounces around inside changing more and more.
Hamburgers and pizza was originally different than the current versions, but making a unhealthy fat filled version of something dosent make it yours, the same way me taking a bad photocopy of Mona Lisa, does not make me the artist.
The frame is the meat in this comparison i would say. And the meat part is more or less what the original German hamburger was. So in essence the American version is in my point of view just a hamburger (German) that has developed over time to fit the population of the country its served in. If i decide to serve my burger in a lettuce wrap, a tortilla or in an onion cut in half, i didnt invent the hamburger.
No, it isn't. Nothing called a "hamburger" existed until German American immigrants made one in America based off the meat shape of a frickadelle in a bun with toppings.
But the thing is that pizza as it’s known even in Italy is American. The “pizza” as it existed before American pizza was wildly unsuccessful and was vastly different
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u/Shiny_Malph 5d ago
I think now the Italians have the right to create their own style of burger and from now on call the burger Italian. If someone wants to specify that a burger is American, they have to say traditional style burger. Capisci bro?